Borrowing an out-of-state gun??

MidKnight

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My fiance has finally came to me and said that she wants to go to the range with me (all it took was for me to stop asking!). She doesn't want to shoot scary rifles so my .22 rifle is out. That leave my 9mm handgun (S&W 908). However, I am aprehensive about starting her on that gun. I worry a negative experience (noise, recoil) will end in her not coming to the range again!

So, I would like to start her on a .22. My father in new hampshire owns a nice buckmark. I'm guessing that I can't "borrow" that for the weekend, right? I mean, and stay within the law. I'm just looking for some back-up on that one. Isn't it a federal offense to transport weapons across state lines or something?

Anyways, let me know what's what and I'll appreciate it.

If I am indeed unable to do that, I'll have to find somebody at my range that's willing to let her shoot their .22 or just start her on the 9.

Thanks in advance for any/all comments.
 
Hmmm, sounds like you need to hook up with some of the ladies here, especially Lynne or Sue, and go the range together. Your fiance will probably feel more comfortable shooting with another lady.
 
MidKnight said:
My fiance has finally came to me and said that she wants to go to the range with me (all it took was for me to stop asking!). She doesn't want to shoot scary rifles so my .22 rifle is out. That leave my 9mm handgun (S&W 908). However, I am aprehensive about starting her on that gun. I worry a negative experience (noise, recoil) will end in her not coming to the range again!

So, I would like to start her on a .22. My father in new hampshire owns a nice buckmark. I'm guessing that I can't "borrow" that for the weekend, right? I mean, and stay within the law. I'm just looking for some back-up on that one. Isn't it a federal offense to transport weapons across state lines or something?

Anyways, let me know what's what and I'll appreciate it.

If I am indeed unable to do that, I'll have to find somebody at my range that's willing to let her shoot their .22 or just start her on the 9.

Thanks in advance for any/all comments.
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You are right! Do NOT start her off with anything but a .22 until she feels comfortable. I made that mistake with my Wife and delayed her interest in shooting by many years (all I had with me was a .40 when she said "OK, I'll try it" . . . after the first round she handed it back to me and said "never again"!).

Who ever gave you the idea that transporting guns across state lines was a federal offense? It's only a crime if you are fencing/selling guns without a license.

NO legal prohibition in borrowing a gun and where it comes from isn't an issue.
 
You most certainly can borrow a friends gun from NH. I know a guy who borrows all the Kimbers. Colts, and Eagles. Friends don't let friends borrow Mass Compliant only.He even keeps em locked up in his safe when he borrows them. His buddy lets him borrow them anytime he wants to go shooting. He borrows them so much that you would think they were his. I'm gonna go shoot the Desert Eagle I borrowed from my buddy. 8)
 
You're right you don't want to start her out on anything but a .22. See what you can set up with some people at the range,etc. Start her out slow and let her feel comfortable in trying out different ones.
When are you planning on doing this?
 
Assuming you are a Massachusetts resident holding a Massachusetts LTC and a New Hampshire NR Pistol Permit, there is no legal prohibition against your borrowing and transporting the pistol from NH to Massachusetts and back again.

Whenever I take custody of a firearm owned by someone else, I give and retain a copy of a receipt showing the firearm info, the date, and the reason I have custody, all as a matter of prudence. In part, this demonstrates that my possession is not evidence of a transfer of title that was not "blue carded."
 
RKG said:
Assuming you are a Massachusetts resident holding a Massachusetts LTC and a New Hampshire NR Pistol Permit, there is no legal prohibition against your borrowing and transporting the pistol from NH to Massachusetts and back again."
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He does NOT need a NH permit. With his MA permit, he can put the gun in his trunk in a locked container in NH and drive back to MA. Before I had my NH permit, I used to meet a friend up at MFL to shoot, so I checked into it.

Midknight, if you want to meet at Riverside in Hudson, MA some evening, I'll happily let you teach her on my Ruger Mk 1... I'll go to one of the other ports and amuse myself with my .45.

Ross
 
I agree with jarhead. Rifles are much easier to shoot than handguns. .22 rifles have virtually no kick -- less even than .22 handguns and are thus less scary to shoot.

But, if she wants to start with a handgun...
 
Since my name was mentioned earlier ( :D ), I'd be more than happy to see about meeting up with you to show her how to shoot if you'd like. And, to echo the sentiments mentioned so far... As long as you have a MA LTC, you do not need a NH permit to borrow a gun (as long as the license covers it if it's high cap).

A .22 hand gun is the perfect thing to start someone out with. Also, I would recommend, if you can do it, don't start out at 25 (or further) feet. Stand closer, or set up the target closer - no more than 12 to 15 feet. Let her see that she's hitting the target. Once she starts to feel more confident in her ability, then you can go out to the 25 ft. target. And most importantly - BE PATIENT!! :D Explain sight picture - draw an example of sight picture and what she's supposed to see when she looks through the rear sight.

And second important thing - let us know what happens!! :D
 
dwarven1: I don't know what basis you're saying you don't need a NH Pistol Permit to take possession of a pistol in New Hampshire and transport it elsewhere, but if you're relying on the Federal interstate transportation statute (I believe the citation is 18 U.S.C. sec. 921(g)), you'd better get some better advice. That statute only applies to a trip that (a) starts in one location where you are licensed and (b) ends in a location where you are licensed. Here, by hypothesis, the trip starts in New Hampshire where, by hypothesis, the transporter isn't licensed. The federal statute wouldn't cover that.

If you're relying on something in New Hampshire law, I don't know what it would be.
 
You don't need FOPA for the following reasons:

- NOBODY needs a license to possess a gun in NH,

- He'll only be driving from NH to MA where he is licensed, so no other states are of concern.

- FOPA was only needed for those pig-headed states that didn't allow gun possession (or only by their own subjects).

- With the wording that you claim, nobody in VT would qualify for FOPA! I think (but haven't verified) that the law actually states that you must start in a state where you can legally possess and end in a state where you can legally possess. This would cover both VT and NH as a beginning or end of a journey as neither requires a license.
 
Now see, this is why I love this site. I post this at work, leave work, hang out then go to class to come home to nearly a dozen responses! Thanks everyone, you've really helped to clear some stuff up for me, and that's much appreciated.

As far as the extremely generous offers for some range time with members of the form:

I can't tell you how nice that is and how much I appreciate it. However, my fiance is very nervous around guns and also nervous around people she does not know. I think that if she's going to go to the range, it'll have to be with me. Don't get me wrong, I'll ask her tomorrow what she thinks about meeting other people, but my gut says it's a no-go.

To answer other questions, she won't shoot a rifle because she thinks they are scary. In fact, she's never seen my .22 rifle (see sig line). I've offered to show it too her and she wants nothing to do with it. She's just got some irrational fear of firearms. I think you all can appreciate why then I want her to see the range at least once... seeing as how I have every intention of being a life-long gun owner! As for when this will happen... ASAP, but on her terms.

Lynne, unfortunately I can't start her at anything closer than 11 yards, that's the closest that BRP lets people shoot!!! I'll use big targets for confidence building.

Again, thanks for the great advice and wonderful offers! I'll report back with the outcome of this!
 
MidKnight said:
Lynne, unfortunately I can't start her at anything closer than 11 yards, that's the closest that BRP lets people shoot!!! I'll use big targets for confidence building.

Again, thanks for the great advice and wonderful offers! I'll report back with the outcome of this!
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Not quite correct . . . 7.5 yds on the outdoor pistol range. You are correct regarding the indoor ranges.

Why not bring her to the Annual Meeting on Sunday morning? Nice relaxed atmosphere, a fair number of women attend this meeting, decent lunch then take her for the tour of the club and maybe shoot if she's up to it. My Wife and I will be there, along with ~200 friends! :)

NOTE: Even though she's not a member, if you ask nicely they will probably allow her to attend the meeting. They made that offer to me before I became a member (in Jan 1999). Since it is at the DAV Hall, it is "neutral territory". Most either head over to the club to pay their 2006 dues, hit the road or hang out and drink at the DAV, so the ranges should be not busy after the meeting.
 
Then definately give her a big bull to aim at, MK. If you got any big orange dots or something, use them too. Just remember to tell her if her arms start to get tired, to set the gun down. If she's already shaking due to nerves, then trying to hold the gun up when you're not used to it won't help. :D

And I understand - no offense taken, but, if she'd like to have a woman there, just email or pm me.
 
If you get the opportunity, I'd suggest borrowing a .22 revolver.
I haven't had a female student yet that didn't comment on how much more comfortable they were with the revolvers than with the semi-autos. I think it's a combination of less mechanics with less intimidating appearance.
I admit when I first started shooting I preferred shooting a .38 revolver over a .22 semi-auto for those two reasons alone. Recoil didn't even play into it.
 
SiameseRat said:
If you get the opportunity, I'd suggest borrowing a .22 revolver.
I haven't had a female student yet that didn't comment on how much more comfortable they were with the revolvers than with the semi-autos. I think it's a combination of less mechanics with less intimidating appearance.
I admit when I first started shooting I preferred shooting a .38 revolver over a .22 semi-auto for those two reasons alone. Recoil didn't even play into it.
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+1 - Heck, SR... I started with a revolver! (and I haven't exactly been accused of being a girly-man, either...:)) Just seemed to me that it was less likely for me to trigger off "extra" shots unintentionally.
 
As I said before, I cannot and do not claim expertise on New Hampshire law. I'd be inclined to guess that New Hampshire law requires a NR Pistol Permit for a Massachusetts resident to carry a pistol in New Hampshire, because if it did not, then one would have to wonder why New Hampshire issues NR Pistol Permits, but, again, I don't really know.

I also said that I didn't know what was the basis for dwarven1's statement. I did not say that his statement was incorrect. What I said was that his statement would be incorrect if it was based on the assumption that the federal statute authorizes the carrying of a firearm on a trip that begins in a location where the person carrying is not legally authorized to carry. My assertion was that limited, and it was and remains correct.
 
RKG said:
As I said before, I cannot and do not claim expertise on New Hampshire law. I'd be inclined to guess that New Hampshire law requires a NR Pistol Permit for a Massachusetts resident to carry a pistol in New Hampshire, because if it did not, then one would have to wonder why New Hampshire issues NR Pistol Permits, but, again, I don't really know.
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New Hampshire Pistol Permits serve only one purpose. They authorize concealed carry. Without one, any resident or visitor who isn't disqualified by federal law can legally possess, transport or carry openly (though the last tends to cause problems in some areas).

Ken
 
Actually, I did check a few years ago on packing.org and with the management of MFL before I went up there. and no, it wasn't based on FOPA. But I see others have checked in on this before me.
 
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