Blocking Pre Ban Magazines to 10 Rounds

MFSP101 said:
Why couldn’t it be argued it’s the same thing? It’s blocked. I didn’t put more than three/ten in it. Law abiding citizens. Will do the right thing.
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The hunting regs are only applicable WHILE HUNTING, meaning there's a tacit understanding that the capacity restriction isn't permanent; you're perfectly okay having full capacity any other time. So it's not the same thing at all.
 
pastera said:
Doesn't meet the legal standards
Unless you epoxy the block to the follower AND lock the floor plate to the point something breaks taking it apart then it's going to be considered readily convertible.
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What if were to take almost any common, restricted capacity magazine, and replace the tube? How easy would that be? And usually, no tools required. [devil]
 
alan226 said:
I'm not arguing. I'm just hung up on the "readily convertible" and "permanently modify" and how to define it. Sig p320 magazines that have a dimple limiting to 10 rounds. A 1/4 inch drill on the dimple converts it to a regular capacity in 10 seconds. Anything that is epoxied can be undone in about 2 minutes with heat. I maintain that most "permanent" mods can be easily undone fairly quickly with no damage. So is it really permanent?
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The difference is modification using tools versus basic disassembly and swap of a readily available replacement part.
Drilling a dimple is permanently modifying
Removing epoxy is a permanent modification
 
hammahed said:
Just playing devil's advocate here, but...
The burden of proof is on the state. How the hell can they PROVE that whoever possesses said large capacity feeding devices didn't have them in their possession on or before 8/1? I am not not a lawyer, but seems to me unless they catch you selling these out of your trunk behind a strip club or spend the resources to start x-raying packages, there is absolutely no way to prove a crime was committed.
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Large capacity feeding devices have a grandfathering date back to the start of the federal AWB - no 8/1 freedom day for magazines
 
pupchow said:
What if were to take almost any common, restricted capacity magazine, and replace the tube? How easy would that be? And usually, no tools required. [devil]
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The magazine body is the magazine so the replacement body is simply a brand new magazine.
 
peterk123 said:
So are the cops setting mag traps on the roads to gun ranges? And how many people have gotten arrested in these mag traps?
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No and no.

But there are various ways that you can end up getting jammed up. Your wife decides to divorce you and her lawyer tells her to get a restraining order. The cops yank your LTC, go through you guns and stuff and "what have we here? large capacity magazine! Off to jail with you!".

Is it likely? No. But it has happened and it would suck to be you. So what is your level of risk tolerance?
 
pastera said:
Large capacity feeding devices have a grandfathering date back to the start of the federal AWB - no 8/1 freedom day for magazines
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The pre 94 awb magazines had to be in your possession by 8/1. Transfers after that date are no longer allowed. The only allowable transfers now are to people outside the commiewealth, to dealers, or bequeath them to your heir(s).
 
hammahed said:
The pre 94 awb magazines had to be in your possession by 8/1. Transfers after that date are no longer allowed. The only allowable transfers now are to people outside the commiewealth, to dealers, or bequeath them to your heir(s).
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And that's the catch - if you had your LTC before 8/1 then you'd have to try to get caught bringing a preban into Mass.
But it would need to be a true preban
 
Rob Boudrie said:
FIFY
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249 “Large capacity feeding device”, (i) a fixed or detachable magazine, belt, drum, feed strip or similar device that has a capacity of, or that can be readily converted to accept, more than 10 rounds of ammunition or more than 5 shotgun shells; or (ii) any part or combination of parts from which a device can be assembled if those parts are in the possession or control of the same person;
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It may be my opinion but there is enough evidence put there that anything not requiring modification with a tool would be considered readily convertible - and tools required for normal maintenance of the item wouldn't count.
 
If we cannot carry “pre ban hi caps” via he new law, I’d argue we can have post bans as long as we don’t carry them.
 
Wait are we supposed to modify pregame mags to 10 rounds because of this new BS?
I don’t think that’s the case but I light have missed it with all the crap in the bill.
 
Laderbuilt said:
Wait are we supposed to modify pregame mags to 10 rounds because of this new BS?
I don’t think that’s the case but I light have missed it with all the crap in the bill.
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IIRC, you can possess preban large capacity magazines if you personally possessed them before 8/1. You can't carry them loaded. You can transport them to the range, but in a locked container. They can be loaded at home or the range.
 
M1911 said:
It is a felony under the new law to possess post-ban large caps.
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Wasnt that always the case unless law enforcement?


Wonder what happened to Keith Hovan of Rochester, Mass. He was in possession of what, 80 standard cap mags if I remember correctly.
 
Laderbuilt said:
Wait are we supposed to modify pregame mags to 10 rounds because of this new BS?
I don’t think that’s the case but I light have missed it with all the crap in the bill.
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Only if you wanted to sell/give them to someone in MA. Or carry them outside home/property/range...
 
wcorey said:
Only if you wanted to sell/give them to someone in MA. Or carry them outside home/property/range...
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Okay that part I knew but I took the lost as something we had to do to even keep them.
Thanks for the clarification
 
Quite_Exasperated said:
Whatever happened to #Resist? Has it become #Ok, I guess, if I have to?
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Recognizing and correctly describing the state of the law is not the same as compliance. Everyone has their own risk tolerance and should be permitted to be properly informed when making decisions.
 
Here's how it's going to go.

Your AR15 is now illegal. Ok, I'll get rid of my AR.
Your 30 round magazines are illegal. Ok, I'll get rid of my magazines.
Your semi automatic, center fire rifles are illegal. Ok. I'll get rid of my rifles.
Your .22 semis are illegal. Ok. I'll get rid of my .22s.
Keeping ammo in excess of 100 rounds is illegal. Ok, I'll sell my excess ammo.
Anything other than a single shot anything is illegal. Ok. I've gotten rid of anything other than single shot.
Keeping guns in a house with anyone under the age of 18 is illegal. Ok, I'll move my guns to another location until the kids are out of the house.
You need 2000 hours of yearly training, and qualification testing every quarter to have a gun. Ok, I'll sign up for training.
You need interviews with police licensing officers, a psychiatrist, your family physician, and the ATF every time you renew your yearly permit. Ok. I'll interview.
You need to allow government inspections any time, any where to make sure your guns are safely stored. Ok. I'll give the cops a key to my house.
You need cameras in your house to make sure you're handling firearms safely. Ok, Cameras are installed.
You can only handle guns from 10-3, five days a week. Ok, I'll only handle my guns when it's allowed.
Lead ammo is banned. You can only use recycled cardboard projectiles. Ok. I'll give my ammo to the confiscating police officer.


Leftists will never quit until the right to keep is completely gone, removed bit by bit because we tolerated common sense controls.

There is no gun control that is ever acceptable. Not one spec.
 
M1911 said:
IIRC, you can possess preban large capacity magazines if you personally possessed them before 8/1. You can't carry them loaded. You can transport them to the range, but in a locked container. They can be loaded at home or the range.
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8/1 was just for assault style firearms. Preban mag restrictions (on carry, acquisition, importation, possession) went into effect when the emergency preamble was signed (10/2/24).
 
50wt said:
Wonder what happened to Keith Hovan of Rochester, Mass. He was in possession of what, 80 standard cap mags if I remember correctly.
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It pays to be a high-profile, very wealthy individual who makes a whole lot of political contributions. From all indications, he beat the rap. 🤔
 
Quite_Exasperated said:
Whatever happened to #Resist? Has it become #Ok, I guess, if I have to?
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The good news (for me anyway) is that I've almost never carried guns that hold much more than 10+1 rounds anyway. It's a size & weight thing for me.

But if I had spent a shit-ton of money on crappy old magazines so that I could carry a Glock 19 or 17 fully loaded, I'd probably be royally pissed. :mad:

Is that the best and smartest way to resist our beloved Maura's decree? I don't think so. But we need damaged parties to get the lawsuits rolling, so have at it.
 
I'm still trying to figure out OP's logic.. ."block pre-ban mags to 10 rds"? why? I don't get it..

as for transferring these pre-bans... do what you want.. there's no serial number, no record of transaction.. etc.. personally know your buyer .. accept whatever risk you're willing to take.

There's no way to prove what pre-ban you owned or didn't own prior to 8/1.


as for blocking.. at one time a local dealer was selling 30rd new mags with a rivet in the side to keep it to 10 rds.
 
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