Blocking Pre Ban Magazines to 10 Rounds

[M1911]

In fairness to the OP, a lot of dealers will just put a plastic piece in the mag to block it to 10 rds that is easily removed in about 10 seconds. No epoxy, no glue. Nothing. I have't heard of any repercussions doing it this way so far...

I seriously doubt that would hold up in court. If you can convert it back within 10 seconds, can you honestly argue that it isn’t “readily convertible?” No, you can’t. These folks just haven’t been caught. Yet.

The penalty if convicted is becoming a federally prohibited person. Is it worth running that risk to avoid buying some factory 10 round magazines?

Yes, there are a lot folks who break this law. I’ve seen more than a few folks running MBX magazines. If you are comfortable running that risk, then have at it. But don’t whine if you get caught, because you knew the risk you were taking.

 

[alan226]

I seriously doubt that would hold up in court. The penalty if convicted is becoming a federally prohibited person. Is it worth running that risk to avoid buying some factory 10 round magazines?

I own quite a few guns that don't have 10 round mags available

 

[M1911]

I own quite a few guns that don't have 10 round mags available

Then get preban magazines or permanently modify the magazines.

I’m not aware of “quite a few guns” that don’t have 10 round magazines available, but whatever. You do you.

 

[LakeTrout]

Was looking for ideas.

You should post this in the state law section of the state that you have a question about. Or, You should mention the state you are referring to in your OP. Or you should post the state law that you are referring to in your OP. Those are some ideas.

 

[M1911]

You should post this in the state law section of the state that you have a question about. Or, You should mention the state you are referring to in your OP. Or you should post the state law that you are referring to in your OP. Those are some ideas.

Moved to Massachusetts Law forum.

 

[florida-lots1123]

You should post this in the state law section of the state that you have a question about. Or, You should mention the state you are referring to in your OP. Or you should post the state law that you are referring to in your OP. Those are some ideas.

Law verbiage is in thread.

 

[eisenhow]

Look, if it is easily removable then it isn’t in accordance with the law. It is that simple. It has been that simple since Chapter 180 of the 1998 laws. There is no wall-hack that would let you legally use unmodified post-ban large capacity magazines in MA. This isn’t new. As much as despise the abortion of the recent ban bill, this part isn’t new.

You can’t legally possess post-ban large capacity magazines in MA. Either permanently modify them, or store them out of state, etc. Yes, that sucks. But a lot of things suck. And that’s why I’m moving in a couple weeks.

Reread the title and some of this guys previous posts. He's looking to unload his stock of preban mags that have suddenly dropped in value.

 

[MFSP101]

In fairness to the OP, a lot of dealers will just put a plastic piece in the mag to block it to 10 rds that is easily removed in about 10 seconds. I have't heard of any repercussions doing it this way so far...

My p226 got permanently neutered but my Glock just got a butt plug.

 

[alan226]

Then get preban magazines or permanently modify the magazines.

I’m not aware of “quite a few guns” that don’t have 10 round magazines available, but whatever. You do you.

I'm not arguing. I'm just hung up on the "readily convertible" and "permanently modify" and how to define it. Sig p320 magazines that have a dimple limiting to 10 rounds. A 1/4 inch drill on the dimple converts it to a regular capacity in 10 seconds. Anything that is epoxied can be undone in about 2 minutes with heat. I maintain that most "permanent" mods can be easily undone fairly quickly with no damage. So is it really permanent?

 

[M1911]

Reread the title and some of this guys previous posts. He's looking to unload his stock of preban mags that have suddenly dropped in value.

Then blocking them is pointless since you can still legally possess them and use them at the range.

 

[M1911]

I'm not arguing. I'm just hung up on the "readily convertible" and "permanently modify" and how to define it. Sig p320 magazines that have a dimple limiting to 10 rounds. A 1/4 inch drill on the dimple converts it to a regular capacity in 10 seconds. Anything that is epoxied can be undone in about 2 minutes with heat. I maintain that most "permanent" mods can be easily undone fairly quickly. So is it ewally permanent?

I understand that argument. A dimple that requires you to grind it out is something that you can at least argue with a straight face that it is not “readily convertible.” A wooden dowel placed below the follower is not something that you can argue with a straight face that it is not “readily convertible.” I’m not aware of this being adjudicated in court, so YMMV. I think the former has a chance of standing up in court but the latter clearly does not.

 

[eisenhow]

Then blocking them is pointless since you can still legally possess them and use them at the range.

He's and out of state dealer and is just looking for a way to "help us out"

 

[M1911]

He's and out of state dealer and is just looking for a way to "help us out" make a bunch of money

Well, he’s out of luck.

 

[eisenhow]

Well, he’s out of luck.

I'm sure he's planning to offer them for non-inflated prices.

I just orded some used Glock 17 10 rounders from Aim Surplus for $14 each. I'm sure he won't ask for more than that!

 

[EJFudd]

Then blocking them is pointless since you can still legally possess them and use them at the range.

But to sell them within MA... the only place on earth where pre-bans still matter a little, if at all... is now illegal.

Seriously, he needs to buy a table at a NH gun show, preferably not too far north of the MA line, and blow them all out.

 

[hammahed]

Just playing devil's advocate here, but...
The burden of proof is on the state. How the hell can they PROVE that whoever possesses said large capacity feeding devices didn't have them in their possession on or before 8/1? I am not not a lawyer, but seems to me unless they catch you selling these out of your trunk behind a strip club or spend the resources to start x-raying packages, there is absolutely no way to prove a crime was committed.

 

[Rob Boudrie]

But to sell them within MA... the only place on earth where pre-bans still matter a little, if at all... is now illegal.

There are other states where it matters.

 

[EJFudd]

There are other states where it matters.

Seriously??? Where???

 

[50wt]

Someone on here is making mag limiters. Maybe try to work sonething out with them.

also going to assume these are for resale to limited states correct ?

Either one.

 

[M1911]

Seriously??? Where???

CA, CO, WA, VT, IL, NY, CT, VA, DE, MD, NJ, RI

 

[M1911]

Someone on here is making mag limiters.

If you can easily remove them, then the magazines are “readily convertible” to large capacity.

 

[EJFudd]

CA, CO, WA, VT, IL, NY, CT, VA, DE, MD, NJ, RI

??? Where are you seeing or reading this? Just at first glance, at least half of those states are wrong.

Your source please?

 

[50wt]

If you can easily remove them, then the magazines are “readily convertible” to large capacity.

Im well aware of that and its been noted a few times in this thread.

 

[LakeTrout]

??? Where are you seeing or reading this? Just at first glance, at least half of those states are wrong.

Your source please?

Which ones are wrong?

 

[M1911]

??? Where are you seeing or reading this? Just at first glance, at least half of those states are wrong.

Your source please?

https://www.usconcealedcarry.com/blog/magazine-limits-what-are-they-and-which-states-have-them/

I haven’t researched them to understand whether that source is correct. But the fact is that MA isn’t the only state with magazine capacity limits.

 

[In God We Trust]

This is a losing proposition... i.e., permanently ruining your pre-ban magazines just to please Maura. They still have value, after all, despite the new (and unconstitutional) Monstrosity anti-2A law.

Don't cheap out. Buy some 10-round magazines for now... or buy some brand new full-capacity magazines and ruin them instead. You can thank me later.

Or just keep them as is and ignore the stupid law. They can’t hang us all.

 

[drgrant]

Just looking for some thoughts, in regard to the legality now, of blocking mags.

Is just opening a mag and adding a wooden dowel good enough?

Really don’t want to cover the baseplate with a giant gob of glue.

I am aware of the verbiage in the new bull….. law.

Instead of dealing with this stupidity if you're just trying to sell magazines then break them down in the parts kits instead and don't ship them together the tube can't hold ammunition without the other parts put the liability on the buyer and forget about the stupidity of the idea of blocking mags it's also worth noting that there are a whole bunch of companies who did this for many years and sent kits into Mass without any issues.

 

[Rob Boudrie]

Seriously??? Where???

WA - No high cap mags may be manufactured, sold or imported but pre-ban ones possessed by in state persons are legal
CO - Only high cap mags PERSONALLY POSSESSED before the ban date may be legally posessed
CA - Only high cap mags PERSONALLY POSSESSED IN CA before the ban date may be legally poossessed

There may be others.

 

[powerman]

"Large capacity feeding device"

, i) a fixed or detachable magazine, belt, drum, feed strip or similar device
that has a capacity of, or that can be readily converted to accept, more than 10 rounds of ammunition or more than 5 shotgun shells; or (ii) any part or combination of parts from which a device can be assembled if those parts are in the possession or control of the same person

that hasn't really changed , more to the story

i thought i ready that cant carry like CT, like you can have them, but they large capacity has to be unloaded, in your house or other private property, licesenced shooting range.
i can find that official part.

 

[EJFudd]

WA - No high cap mags may be manufactured, sold or imported but pre-ban ones possessed by in state persons are legal
CO - Only high cap mags PERSONALLY POSSESSED before the ban date may be legally posesses
CA - Only high cap mags PERSONALLY POSSESSED IN CA before the ban date may be legally poossessed

There may be others.

Oh Lordy. LOL!!!!! I'm not talking any "pre-ban magazines" recently so declared in other states. That's not what member @florida-lots1123 is trying to sell to us Ma**h***s. He is trying to sell us real, genuine Federal date pre-ban magazines that were made before September 13, 1994... pre-bans that are only relevant or special or desirable in any way within loony, moonbatty MA.

The WA "pre-ban" date is July 1, 2022
The CO "pre-ban" date is July 1, 2013
The original CA "pre-ban" date is July 1, 2017
This is all recent stuff. We should be so lucky as to be allowed to possess these relatively new, modern magazines.

The date September 13, 1994 has no special meaning in any of those states... zero... and I don't think any others either (except good old Massachusetts).