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Better glass or more features? Vortex Strike Eagle 5-25x56 ffl or vortex pst viper ii ffp 5-25x50
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dcmdon
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It depends on its use.
If you want to use it for long range target shooting then more features like mil/mil reticle/turrets are great. As is a zero stop.
Since you are shooting at targets in usually decent light, assuming the scope tracks right, then it might be a better choice than one with better glass but fewer features.
However, if its going on a hunting rifle, which by definition will be used in low light and the fact that nobody in the northeast dials for distance when hunting, then going for the better glass is probably the right thing to do.
If you want to use it for long range target shooting then more features like mil/mil reticle/turrets are great. As is a zero stop.
Since you are shooting at targets in usually decent light, assuming the scope tracks right, then it might be a better choice than one with better glass but fewer features.
However, if its going on a hunting rifle, which by definition will be used in low light and the fact that nobody in the northeast dials for distance when hunting, then going for the better glass is probably the right thing to do.
Vortex scopes are made in communist china. Get a Leupold or a Nightforce
I agree.. Im not an optics nerd either. I still have good vision and I have a vortex crossfire 2 on my M1A. The glass on that (to me) is ridiculously clear and good, and it’s a solid optic for the price. I’m sure either of those two scopes will work great for the OP
I long for the day where everything is made here but it is what it is. Some of us don’t have nightforce money
not in communist China. Maybe japan but certainly not from communists who Intentionally spread viruses I grew up in the 60s and 70s when everyone knew, instinctively that Communists were evil monsters. As far as I’m concerned they still are Maybe vortex will go bankrupt.
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That doesn’t answer the question. Their FAQs just say “Asia” (and socialist Europe I guess) for the source of their glass - do they definitely not source from China or any other commie country?
Glockster30
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Not all of them are made in China. Some models are made in Japan and the Philippines.
Caveman
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I think the cheap lines are made in China. Same with a number of scope companies. Most of the companies high end glass lines are Japan or Philippines.
Edit, I’ll always go for better glass on a scope. A simple Mildot with great glass is better than a foggy Horus that shoots laser beams. My general rule is glass should cost as much as the rifle.
Edit, I’ll always go for better glass on a scope. A simple Mildot with great glass is better than a foggy Horus that shoots laser beams. My general rule is glass should cost as much as the rifle.
seanc
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Always get the best lenses you can. If you can not see your target extra fiddley bits don’t help.
better glass lets in more light, giving it more time for use in lower light. If you have great glass with a good reticule when the fiddley bits stop working you still have a usable nice scope.
better glass lets in more light, giving it more time for use in lower light. If you have great glass with a good reticule when the fiddley bits stop working you still have a usable nice scope.
that is correct. My issue with vortex is they use American names like strike eagle to sell scopes made by communist. Call it a chi com model. My second issue is they treat these communists as equal partners and do business with them like you would do business with a legitimate private owned business. I asked vortex about this at the NRA convention. They are proud of their communist partners. Vortex is dead to me. I won’t buy or recommend any of their products.
cant bee 100% certain but we know that vortex are commie lovers so they should be avoided.
stop buying from commies like vortex and more stuff will be made here.
Tallahassee
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Leupold does not make their own glass, period. End of story. Their low level scopes have chinese glass. I am willing to say, any scope under $1000 probably has chinese glass at this point. About the only thing leupold makes are the tubes and small parts, their scopes are assembled in the U.S. They don't even do their own anodizing anymore. So, if you want to boycott scope companies that use chinese glass and components, add leupold to your list. At least Vortex comes out publicly and says where their glass/scopes come from. Where companies like leupold string people along with marketing propaganda.
Vortex uses names like "Strike Eagle" because the guy was a pilot, can't remember, but I think Navy.
Vortex uses names like "Strike Eagle" because the guy was a pilot, can't remember, but I think Navy.
Tallahassee
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Strike Eagle, glass is just about equal.
Take inventory of everything u own. I guarantee over 90% of it is made in China. Now take all that stuff and throw it in the trash with that mentality. U know what’s not made in China???? A green membership here.
I believe Nightforce is also made in Japan??...I have a few vortex optics and red dots and they have survived countless range trips and training classes. I really like vortex product and u can’t beat thier warranty. Don’t u just luv when all the basement dwellers get on here (using a device made in China) and scream No Commie bullshit products!!!! Lol!!!!
So you're saying Leupold is lieing? Thats certainly possible but I doubt it.
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No, not really, I have a ton of Leupold and Nightforce scopes and as I said in another recent post, I recently bought some Snap on Tools at a much higher cost than Harbor Freight chi Com crap. I have looked at green membership and I really don't see what it gets me or how it benefits me? I won't sell in the classifieds because in the past 45 years I have sold exactly one gun in a private sale. The forum is dominated with mass holes bitching about the high cost of pre-ban magazines and Glocks, and for reasons I care not to list, the group buys wont save me any $$. But I'm persuadable if theres something I'm missing.
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Leupold goes to great lengths to not say where they source their lenses or parts from. They know that saying they get lenses and screws and stuff from China (and the Philippines, and Japan, and Germany or Eastern Europe) will cost them customers.
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On some of Leupold's very own optics, they don't even say "Made in the USA", they instead say "USA ☆ Designed ☆ Machined ☆ Assembled". Taken literally, that means they design the optics, submit the designs to foreign subcontractors, which is going to mean PRC either directly or indirectly through the Philippines or Japan, and then the parts come back to the US for machining and assembly. Pretty clear to understand.
Leupold virtue signalling, which @granitestater has a penchant for doing based on this and other threads:
Vortex Introduces new Strike Eagle FFP 5-25X56 with all the bells and whistles
is a fruitless exercise when the optic lenses fall out of the optic body and the replacement lenses have huge scratches on them, direct from Leupold's customer service department.
Rockrivr1
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I have 4 Vipers, 2 Leupolds and a Nikon scope on different rifles. Side by side I have a hard time seeing any difference between the Vipers and Leupolds. They are that close. I have a viper on my PRS rifle and have repeated hits out to 1000 yards with it. That is all I can ask of a scope. At the PRS match I attended I’d say that over 70% of the scopes there were from Vortex.
Tallahassee
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Leupold isn't lying directly. They are being shady AF, they are being vague and bullsh*tting people with their "designed, assembled in the U.S" marketing crap. If they made their own glass and parts, they would then say MADE IN THE U.S, it would be all over their web page in huge letters. Leupold has become another American company that sources parts from Asia, and rides their reputation from their previous products, while taking advantage of people's patriotism, all just to make a buck. Which is far worse than what Vortex is doing.
Leopold and nightforce may not be made in China but they are made overseas in Japan and Philippines. So if it’s USA or nothing throw all your Scopes in the trash because they are not made here. I think most on here would pay more for a product if it’s made here. I always look to see if products are made here, especially American Flags..I order mine from a Veteran owned company and they cost almost triple than the ones at home cheapo which are made in China. To boycott a certain product (that isn’t made here) because it is made in China is really ignorant. Spend your money how you want but it sounds like your just anti Vortex, which is fine. At the Fudd..I mean NRA convention did you treat all vendors like Vortex? Because I will bet a paycheck that over 80% of the shit there was made in China or overseas. Going green here means u support hard working, like minded Americans who make this site work and thier time and efforts to make it enjoyable for all of us. U do support American workers right?? I’m sure u can afford $20 a year to share your thoughts and opinions with us.
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They won’t say beyond “Asia” but online speculation is pretty consistent in assuming that it’s China, Japan and/or the Philippines. If it was Asia but not China I’d expect them to name the country(ies) since Chinese origin stuff is so toxic in the eyes of so many.
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