Pre 08 Bushmasters are good. Post are hot garbageI, surprisingly, have never had a problem with my Bushmaster XM-E2-S. Admittedly, I haven’t put thousands of rounds through it or it’s 300BLK sister (I built that one).
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Pre 08 Bushmasters are good. Post are hot garbageI, surprisingly, have never had a problem with my Bushmaster XM-E2-S. Admittedly, I haven’t put thousands of rounds through it or it’s 300BLK sister (I built that one).
I vote for a Colt.
Nope, no more civvie production from the pony show. You're gonna get gouged by boomers who think colt is still the best rifle maker ever.Seeing as Im so used to being behind the wall I completely forgot about Colt. Get yourself a Colt 6920 and just add the simple things like a better grip, optic etc etc. You should be able to find one for around $8-900
Nope, no more civvie production from the pony show. You're gonna get gouged by boomers who think colt is still the best rifle maker ever.
Seeing as Im so used to being behind the wall I completely forgot about Colt. Get yourself a Colt 6920 and just add the simple things like a better grip, optic etc etc. You should be able to find one for around $8-900
I knew that they had stopped production to us peons. No reason to gouge, they are a great entry level rifle. Not like they are a Noveske or SOLGW.
I might not have made my point clear. In a free state colts have jumped to like 1200 by fudd shops or boomers that bought them to resell. They WILL price gouge you because of the pony rollmark. I know it because ive seen it first hand.
Well 1200 will buy you a lot of AR. There's plenty in the 900ish market that are not colt on mid tier. But I'd much rather save another 3-400 dollars and get a BCM, SOLGW, or other higher end rifle.Clearly, the solution is to embrace the Poverty Pony.
Well 1200 will buy you a lot of AR. There's plenty in the 900ish market that are not colt on mid tier. But I'd much rather save another 3-400 dollars and get a BCM, SOLGW, or other higher end rifle.
Oh ok, that makes sense. But if he's in GA he should be looking at the outdoor trader. There's plenty of gems to be found in FTF transactions, also tax relseason is about to hit so plenty of people who owe the govt will be selling fancy guns.What I meant was build a rifle using quality parts where needed but cheaping out where possible.
If someone can tell me why a Colt rifle ($1200-$2500) is better than a sub-$1000 rifle, I'd be interested in hearing it. Please be specific.
If someone can tell me why a Colt rifle ($1200-$2500) is better than a sub-$1000 rifle, I'd be interested in hearing it. Please be specific.
Depends on what your definition of "runs flawless" is. "Joe Plinkster 60 rounds then leaves guy" thinks his Oly Plinkster (which at the the time they were sold, was one of the biggest pieces of trash you could buy for the least amount of cash) is the greatest thing since sliced bread, and it probably is (to him) because he's not really beating on the gun much and will never notice the difference. Especially when it sits in his closet for 2 years between range trips. He'll literally never use it enough to the point where any weakness in its build quality/parts will ever show.confirmation bias - we are told about legendary colt reliability so when one‘s colt rifle works it’s further proof of their infallible construction. flip side if a $600 budget rifle runs flawless it means nothing. the black rifle market has become so universal that I’m not at all convinced of reliability differences between manufacturers especially since we’re not going FA.
Depends on what your definition of "runs flawless" is. "Joe Plinkster 60 rounds then leaves guy" thinks his Oly Plinkster (which at the the time they were sold, was one of the biggest pieces of trash you could buy for the least amount of cash) is the greatest thing since sliced bread, and it probably is (to him) because he's not really beating on the gun much and will never notice the difference. Especially when it sits in his closet for 2 years between range trips. He'll literally never use it enough to the point where any weakness in its build quality/parts will ever show.
-Mike
everyone's definition is different. todd green and PF have settled on this arbitrary 2000 round test with regards to pistols. for an autoloading rifle if I can run 1k rounds without a stoppage I call it good. that's probably 20x more than the average rifle owner but on par with most of us around here. are there really commercial 5.56 AR's out there that can't run 1000 rounds? if so I haven't seen them. the cheapest rifles i've seen accomplish this. i think that's part of what @PatMcD was hinting towards
It's not about it running 1000 rounds its about whether or not the gun is going to still be viable over a much longer term.
I will admit that the skinflint end of the market is much better than it used to be. A decade or so ago buying a $600 rifle was a total crapshoot, and now even at that same price level there are a lot better choices, mostly due to the fact that theres a supply glut on the market and the true garbage purveyors occupy a smaller part of the market. (like those companies that sell rifles that exist under like 5 different names etc. )
-Mike
It's not about it running 1000 rounds its about whether or not the gun is going to still be viable over a much longer term.
Same here.I am a big fan of Windham arms.
If someone can tell me why a Colt rifle ($1200-$2500) is better than a sub-$1000 rifle, I'd be interested in hearing it. Please be specific.
And I'm not saying the cheesiest Sportsman Guide AR is the best out there either. I'm just asking how a rifle with a pony on it is automatically better than one with a snake or a deer on it.I can’t speak about Colts that are $2500, I have no experience in those. I can however talk about 6920s in the 1000 and under range. Comparing those to “lesser” ARs , The biggest issues I see are in fit, as in parts on Colts are in spec and fit like they are supposed to without any problems. My personal experience with cheaper parts from inferior manufacturers results in more problems (uppers and lowers that don’t match, fire control parts that are out of spec, take down and pivot pins off center, bcgs not properly staked resulting in carrier keys coming loose prematurely, barrels and bcgs lacking pressure testing, etc.
I’m not saying Colts are the best things out there. ( I’ve had great stuff from Baer, BCM, DD, and Spikes as well.). But there are definitely differences quality. “All are the same” or “An AR is an AR” is simply not true.
Dave
And I'm not saying the cheesiest Sportsman Guide AR is the best out there either. I'm just asking how a rifle with a pony on it is automatically better than one with a snake or a deer on it.
+1 colt.If I was buying a no-nonsense AR that I am trusting to save my life for under 1k, it would be a Colt. There are far too many cheaper guns (psa, windham, aero, etc) that have issues.
Dave