Best AR for the poors

Steve600 said:
LOL, I am 68 and go to the range 2 or 3 times a week. You don’t have to fire 100’s of rounds, sometime I only fire a few rounds then sit around a bullshit if anyone is available. I really enjoy shooting and the whole concept of guns, hunting, etc.
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Next year you'll be 69. Nice
 
G4Y4HK said:
What's the best AR for the poors that actually will run and is reliable? Before all the DD/Noveske/Knights/Radian/SOLGW fan boys start to laugh at the poors, I think we should all try to put as many of these rifles in the hands of as many people, including the poors. With that said, what would be the 'bare minimum' above the flint threshold? S&W Sport? Radical? PSA?
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Hard to beat an original Colt LE6920 M4
 
Edit- forgot to throw a Holosun on top.
Well under $1k with a shake awake optic and mid-length gas for reliability. Toss a Rise Armament single stage in there for $99 and a blue force gear vickers sling and you’re ready for the tweotwakishtfrwol!
 
whatluck said:
I have a few PSA ARs that are fine, the FN M249 overrun CHF barreled uppers can be sometimes be had for less than a CHF barrel by itself from other companies. Really accurate barrel. Also the skinflint supercheapo 10.5 upper I have is actually stupidly accurate.
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I did a frankenbuild upper with an FN barrel and was surprised at how accurate it was, and I'm absolutely not a sniper by any stretch
 
SHOCKNAWE said:
I did a frankenbuild upper with an FN barrel and was surprised at how accurate it was, and I'm absolutely not a sniper by any stretch
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Exactly. And if that gun doesn't do anything odd during a couple of matches or seminars then you know you have a gun that works.

Something often overlooked by most is that confidence in your skills and equipment can translate directly to first strike advantage.
 
drgrant said:
Realistically if someone is ActuallyPoor (TM) none of this is happening anyways. They're going to buy their $500 ATI or Radical shithouse dust collector and maybe 2 or 3 mags, and theyre going to bring it to the sandpit and shoot it a few times and then its going to collect dust because they can't afford to shoot it that much.
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That how I shoot my rifles 😩,cheaper to shoot my 9mm and .22.
 
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drgrant said:
Realistically if someone is ActuallyPoor (TM) none of this is happening anyways. They're going to buy their $500 ATI or Radical shithouse dust collector and maybe 2 or 3 mags, and theyre going to bring it to the sandpit and shoot it a few times and then its going to collect dust because they can't afford to shoot it that much.
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no need to get personal man.
 
Get the cheapest, Mil-Spec lower possible with the best upper (emphasis on the barrel and bolt/carrier group). Save something in your budget for either good iron sights and/or a competent optic. You do not need an optic right away, though it's much better shooting experience with a good one. Practically speaking, a Ballistic Advantage barrel (which many companies typically will rebrand) will be good enough for most cases. Bonus points if you can get the Hanson profile "performance" barrels. Daniel Defense as of late has been having deep sales on their uppers, and their barrels are excellent.

Another consideration: use good ammo. Many of the problems people come across in terms of accuracy / performance are remedied with good ammo choices. However, most people want the cheapest ammo available which, while serviceable, is not the way you should test your rifle. The true cost of evaluating the performance of your AR-15 is more like .80 - $1.00 CPR versus .45-.50 that you see in range ammo choices.

The caveat to all of this: Anderson Rifles that come direct from the manufacturer or distributor will work very well. Same with PSA. Diamondback. These are $500-$700 rifles that are great platforms to build on or learn from if that's all you can afford. The (functioning) AR-15 you have is better than the one you don't.
 
Tartakovsky said:
Hey, my first AR was a Spikes Tactical. It was a great f***in rifle. Enhanced lower, with ambi safety and 2 stage trigger, and Midlength gas, Quad rail 16” barrel upper. Great rifle.
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Das wut I'm sayin son. Just like this. Instead of buying a Gucci ar just build 3 of these and hide them.
 
theciviliansupply said:
Get the cheapest, Mil-Spec lower possible with the best upper (emphasis on the barrel and bolt/carrier group). Save something in your budget for either good iron sights and/or a competent optic. You do not need an optic right away, though it's much better shooting experience with a good one. Practically speaking, a Ballistic Advantage barrel (which many companies typically will rebrand) will be good enough for most cases. Bonus points if you can get the Hanson profile "performance" barrels. Daniel Defense as of late has been having deep sales on their uppers, and their barrels are excellent.

Another consideration: use good ammo. Many of the problems people come across in terms of accuracy / performance are remedied with good ammo choices. However, most people want the cheapest ammo available which, while serviceable, is not the way you should test your rifle. The true cost of evaluating the performance of your AR-15 is more like .80 - $1.00 CPR versus .45-.50 that you see in range ammo choices.

The caveat to all of this: Anderson Rifles that come direct from the manufacturer or distributor will work very well. Same with PSA. Diamondback. These are $500-$700 rifles that are great platforms to build on or learn from if that's all you can afford. The (functioning) AR-15 you have is better than the one you don't.
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This. Run a class with the expensive ammo you intend to defend yourself with. And I'll add that even though a light and optic aren't necessary, even skinflint selections of these devices (plus the training to match) would put you way ahead in an actual firefight. I'll take any advantage I can get.
 
Woodsloafer said:
I have two pretty much exactly the same, been flawless and very accurate.
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That rifle back in 2011 was pretty awesome. Quad, free floated barrel, very accurate, very reliable. I think the lower was $500 complete with a magpul CTR and the upper was $700. That upper is still sold today (basically the same)…


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I had a pair of pre 94 ban colts since before ‘94. When Sandy hook made everything evaporate, I had an awaking. As things became available, upgraded the colt uppers to flats tops, then started building ( not buying). Aero, Anderson, Daniel defense.

Then the 80% route. Massachusetts compliant. Then NY compliant variations

Then when I moved to PA built free state versions

Reliability pretty much the same.

Assemble them correctly, decent ammo and mags, keep them wet (lubricated) and don’t let them get too dirty they are all good. Bad mags or crap ammo, let them go dry, or get REAL dirty they all get finicky

So rock these poverty pony’s. While you are at it, since they are tools not investments, rattle can camo those puppies

I admit am partial to Geissele triggers. The one upscale upgrade I want

I stacked in spare LPKs for repair work, but not surprisingly nothing has broken.

Best thing I did was built a dedicated.22 rim fire rifle using S&W mags. I shoot it a ton. Built a second just because. Both have a dedicated lower because they get real dirty from the rim fire ammo. I do a lot of Appleseed type drills I’ll go thru 400 - 500 rounds of .22 rim fire. Then 80-100 of center fire
 
scott-o said:
MilSpec is MilSpec
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It’s actually gotta be in Spec first……

I don’t get the love for Anderson. They are absolute hot garbage. Just because “they work” doesn’t mean they are good. Their quality control is non existent and their consistency is even worse. Everyone I help put together for a buddy has some sort of issue. Not thing major, but shit that led to big problems later on.

If you want a gun for the poors, that’s gonna be decent, build it. Spikes in the cheapest I’d go for a lower. Can find em for $100. Super cheap for moderate quality. It’s not unheard of them having issues, just nowhere near the amount PSA and Anderson does.

Good barrels aren’t hard to find. Shit, I just bought a Roscoe for $100.

One bit of straight person sentiment though. Strike Industries stuff. Straight up AIDS. I don’t get judgy about much when it comes to guns. But straight up judge you if you have SI parts on your AR. It’s even harsher when it’s gold/red/blue shit and it’s not a race gun.

Gayer than cum in a mustache
 
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