Best AK in 5.56 For The Non Poors

drgrant said:
Actually that shutter doohickey on the left side reminds me of the same kind of thing from an FN FNC.

I would still call these AK derivatives though and not really an AK. Even if its quite obvious what the design inspiration was.
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Technically, the Galils are descended from Valmets (which, yes, are descended from AKs). I would definitely agree that the Galil is a "derivative." So, I think, are the Valmets.

Grendizer138 said:
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Does this also look pretty AK-like to you?
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Cbc Yes GIF by Kim's Convenience
 
M1911 said:
I’d say the Valmet is an AK, not a derivative.
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My view is that the sighting system, and the design changes that made it stable, is a big enough fundamental difference that it makes it a different rifle. There's no way that kind of rear sight can work on a regular AK.

JMO. We're definitely into "angels dancing on the head of a pin" territory here.
 
Picton said:
My view is that the sighting system, and the design changes that made it stable, is a big enough fundamental difference that it makes it a different rifle. There's no way that kind of rear sight can work on a regular AK.

JMO. We're definitely into "angels dancing on the head of a pin" territory here.
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I disagree. Putting the rear sight on the dust cover and tightening the dust cover fit is a very minor change. I think putting the charging handle on the left side like on the Galil Ace is a far more substantive change.

But, yeah, it is an angels dancing on a pin kind of argument. Just what the internet is for. ;)
 
I had a Norinco 84s. It was a great gun. Nice finishing, very reliable. The only downside is the mags are pretty expensive.

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dcmdon said:
I had a Norinco 84s. It was a great gun. Nice finishing, very reliable. The only downside is the mags are pretty expensive.

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There are cheaper ways, just involves a few extra steps. The mags are easy, finding the rifle is the hard part now.
 
Agnotology said:
yeah, runs a dime a round more than 5.56. Once Putin's head rolls, the sanctions will go away and 5.45/7.62 will go back to being cheap and readily available.

If he doesn't want it, he doesn't want it, so be it - which is why my suggestion is for a 5.56 AK
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You think think sanctions are about Putin? Our government is doing all that it can do to keep guns and ammo from being affordable and available to US citizens. The sanctions you are referring to have nothing to do with punishing Putin and they will not be lifted when he goes away.
 
LakeTrout said:
You think think sanctions are about Putin? Our government is doing all that it can do to keep guns and ammo from being affordable and available to US citizens. The sanctions you are referring to have nothing to do with punishing Putin and they will not be lifted when he goes away.
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Sorry man, that's too tinfoil for me, although you are right in one part - ammo won't be coming in from Russia even after Putin's head rolls.Russia banned export of their own ammo since May of 2023.

Serbian, Bosnian, and Turkish ammo filled the void and can be had, and is of equivalent quality. Banning magdump-quality steel-cased milsurp ammo doesn't change much. Current prices are equivalent when adjusting for inflation to pre-covid prices, within a nickel per round, and can be had, although 5.45x39 is still painfully expensive.
 
Picton said:
My view is that the sighting system, and the design changes that made it stable, is a big enough fundamental difference that it makes it a different rifle. There's no way that kind of rear sight can work on a regular AK.

JMO. We're definitely into "angels dancing on the head of a pin" territory here.
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Got it. So because it has twice the sight radius and can shoot about 1 MOA with decent ammo, it’s disqualified from being an AK. AKs are supposed to group 3-4 MOA. Sorry Valmet. You’re not allowed in the shitty MOA club.
 
Tartakovsky said:
Got it. So because it has twice the sight radius and can shoot about 1 MOA with decent ammo, it’s disqualified from being an AK. AKs are supposed to group 3-4 MOA. Sorry Valmet. You’re not allowed in the shitty MOA club.
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You seem to be looking for a fight I'm not interested in having. I know what "derivative" means, however.

OP can buy what he wants, and so can the rest of us. Happy hunting.
 
Picton said:
You seem to be looking for a fight I'm not interested in having. I know what "derivative" means, however.

OP can buy what he wants, and so can the rest of us. Happy hunting.
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What I call spirited debate, you call a fight. Does welding a rear sight to the receiver cover on an AK make it no longer an AK?
 
If it doesn’t eat x39, it’s not an AK!!

You want a tank of an AK pattern, you want a Yugo.
 
Tartakovsky said:
What I call spirited debate, you call a fight. Does welding a rear sight to the receiver cover on an AK make it no longer an AK?
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If I were you I'd just buy what my best opinion is on whatever your looking for, these guys are well seasoned AK guys but what they think is correct might not be what you want to hear, not saying anyone is wrong but at the end of the day you can obviously get whatever you want and if you don't like it sell it..

You might end up liking something more than what's being discussed or vice versa
 
drgrant said:
Having owned both I think it actually weighs the same as a Mak 90 does. Or pretty close. I don't really think its heavier than any other AK. They all lard.
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Not sure if serious lol

The Sam 7 is a milled receiver and it absolutely weighs more than stamped receivers.

I've owned 2 Mak 90's and they were both stamped and weighed less than my Sammy, I'm sure the milled versions are just as heavy sure
 
SHOCKNAWE said:
Not sure if serious lol

The Sam 7 is a milled receiver and it absolutely weighs more than stamped receivers.

I've owned 2 Mak 90's and they were both stamped and weighed less than my Sammy, I'm sure the milled versions are just as heavy sure
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Meh. Sure it does but I don't think it's that drastic. Maks have a heavier barrel profile, too.
 
SHOCKNAWE said:
Not sure if serious lol

The Sam 7 is a milled receiver and it absolutely weighs more than stamped receivers.

I've owned 2 Mak 90's and they were both stamped and weighed less than my Sammy, I'm sure the milled versions are just as heavy sure
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There's often a weight difference between milled and stamped, but it's pretty negligible. I've handled stamped AKs that were heavier than milled, too.
 
btnh6668 said:
There are cheaper ways, just involves a few extra steps. The mags are easy, finding the rifle is the hard part now.
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He wasn't asking for a cheap way. He specifically said "non poor". I take that to mean he's willing to spend. Have I got that wrong?

Either way, the 84 has a nice heavy threaded barrel and is as accurate as you could hope for.

They are easy to find. But they are expensive.

A quick gun broker search shows 15 of them for sale.

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drgrant said:
Meh. Sure it does but I don't think it's that drastic. Maks have a heavier barrel profile, too.
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It’s not insignificant, especially if you’re comparing a 7.62 MAK90 to a SAM 5 which has a heavier barrel due to the smaller 5.56 bore. MAKs are also tapered barrel and typically don’t have a brake, so the front muzzle weight seems even lighter.

You won’t feel the difference short term, but if operat’n you definitely will.
 
dcmdon said:
He wasn't asking for a cheap way. He specifically said "non poor". I take that to mean he's willing to spend. Have I got that wrong?

Either way, the 84 has a nice heavy threaded barrel and is as accurate as you could hope for.

They are easy to find. But they are expensive.

A quick gun broker search shows 15 of them for sale.

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First one. GTFOH!
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