AWB Rejected by none other than...

[falcon123]

Neiceeeee

Nepheeeeeewwww.

 

[GunValley]

Public education; fire departments; national defense; OSHA; NASA; the interstate highway system; EPA; NTSB; paved roads; clean drinking water; public sewer; local, state, and national parks; etc.

Granted, none of those are perfect, and some have had some colossal failures and overreaches, but overall they do more good for all of us than harm, and nobody could pay for those functions on their own.

I have my own well and septic system. Paid for by me and mine.

i can home school my children. I could run a nice business charging other parents to school their children too. (if I had a track record of success.)

i can own huge tracts of land and preserve it, forest it, cultivate it into any type of park I like. I can also partner up with like minded individuals to do the same if I lack the resources on my own.

Volunteer fire departments have been around, and successful, for centuries.

If I'm not safe on a job site, i get hurt and hopefully learn my lesson. If an employer doesn't provide safe conditions to me as an employee, I can make improvements or find alternate employment under better conditions.

 

[Eddie_Valiant]

Can't wait to see the coverage this gets.

All you'll hear is .......crickets.......

 

[BrianK]

Hope this sticks. Still the Liberals will keep on keeping on.

Reid and Leahy are conservatives?

 

[cgm101792]

nice!

 

[BrianK]

By cutting back spending to only include those things covered by Article 1, Section 8. All others can be left up to the states.

Cool! We don't even NEED a legislative branch. Silly activist founders!

 

[beaker]

It's a good thing that the pols in the Senate still need us to vote for them, or someone else eh? Commie News Network, National Propaganda Radio and MSNBC will keep it up for a while, especially the shooting crimes that pull at the heartstrings. After all, they are fully committed to undermining the Constitution for our own good, and it's not a part time job for them...

Nothing is any of the mainstream media. In fact, CNN has even more anti stuff that usual on its website.

 

[jabbourd]

Oh, keep the pressure on the bill, yes we should....

I thought you meant keep the pressure on the wound on DiFi's tremendous ego. That one I suggest we let bleed out.

 

[Nick Fury]

I used to work with Leahy's son. Met him a few times. He may be a Democrat but he's a stand up guy. And he makes Cheney's blood boil. That alone is good enough for me...

 

[ChevyGuy91]

Great. So don't pay your taxes and we'll see how low your balls really swing.

I bet you don't want to know how some of the balls swing around here.

Sent from my phone.

 

[drgrant]

I am liberal, and also a against a change to gun laws.

No you're not, you're probably a Socialist, though.

A real, true liberal would never think that stealing things from people via implied threat of deadly force is OK. No ****ing way.

-Mike

 

[milktree]

By cutting back spending to only include those things covered by Article 1, Section 8. All others can be left up to the states.

So, you're saying that any state taxation and redistribution is fine, if you don't like it, you can just move to another state, right?

How do things like standardization of gas pumps or Michigan's power plants polluting the air causing acid rain on NH fit in to that?

I have my own well and septic system. Paid for by me and mine.

i can home school my children. I could run a nice business charging other parents to school their children too. (if I had a track record of success.)

Excellent! But not everywhere has those values (states' rights) and in some places it's impractical or impossible (anyone who lives in a city can't have a well)

i can own huge tracts of land and preserve it, forest it, cultivate it into any type of park I like. I can also partner up with like minded individuals to do the same if I lack the resources on my own.

I can think of two parks that were donated by private citizens:, Acadia National Park and Baxter State Park. They're both run by the state now, and weren't public until they were donated. Are there any private parks on par with Yellowstone or the Grand Canyon or Mount Rainier? How 'bout 1/10 that big? Sure, you *can*, but nobody does.

Volunteer fire departments have been around, and successful, for centuries.

Yes, but they don't work in urban areas.

If I'm not safe on a job site, i get hurt and hopefully learn my lesson. If an employer doesn't provide safe conditions to me as an employee, I can make improvements or find alternate employment under better conditions.

You need to read more about working conditions before 30 years ago. Start with The triangle shirtwaist fire, then go on to the coal mining revolts of the 20s, then look at pretty much any sweatshop anywhere in the world.

I noticed you ignored a bunch of my examples, but none of that is really the point,

It's absolutely possible to preserve individual rights and still pay taxes for collective goods. We just suck at it.

 

[JuergenG]

If you want wealth redistribution goto Europe.

Hell NO!

 

[01bmf]

So, you're saying that any state taxation and redistribution is fine, if you don't like it, you can just move to another state, right?

How do things like standardization of gas pumps or Michigan's power plants polluting the air causing acid rain on NH fit in to that?

Excellent! But not everywhere has those values (states' rights) and in some places it's impractical or impossible (anyone who lives in a city can't have a well)

I can think of two parks that were donated by private citizens:, Acadia National Park and Baxter State Park. They're both run by the state now, and weren't public until they were donated. Are there any private parks on par with Yellowstone or the Grand Canyon or Mount Rainier? How 'bout 1/10 that big? Sure, you *can*, but nobody does.

Yes, but they don't work in urban areas.

You need to read more about working conditions before 30 years ago. Start with The triangle shirtwaist fire, then go on to the coal mining revolts of the 20s, then look at pretty much any sweatshop anywhere in the world.

I noticed you ignored a bunch of my examples, but none of that is really the point,

It's absolutely possible to preserve individual rights and still pay taxes for collective goods. We just suck at it.

Obviously, no states could work out those issues. We need a huge Federal gov for that. It should probably be expanded to cover the rest of the world as well, just to be safe. Why have different levels of government? It would be so much easier to just let Feds run everything.

Standardization of gas pumps? I guess no one would have ever thought of that. Auto manufacturers and gas stations obviously have no reason to. Better add another bureau. And one to watch over that one.

 

[01bmf]

Cool! We don't even NEED a legislative branch. Silly activist founders!

So we don't limit congress via enumerated powers? Sweet. Lets just get us s king and call it good.

 

[Dill]

I have my own well and septic system. Paid for by me and mine.

i can home school my children. I could run a nice business charging other parents to school their children too. (if I had a track record of success.)

i can own huge tracts of land and preserve it, forest it, cultivate it into any type of park I like. I can also partner up with like minded individuals to do the same if I lack the resources on my own.

Volunteer fire departments have been around, and successful, for centuries.

If I'm not safe on a job site, i get hurt and hopefully learn my lesson. If an employer doesn't provide safe conditions to me as an employee, I can make improvements or find alternate employment under better conditions.

Volunteer fire departments? So everyone buys their own fire engine? The town still owns the equipment even though the responders are volunteers. I don't think my neighbors and I could buy an M1 abrams or a decent fighter plane either, nor could I field a big enough navy to keep pirates at bay since that is vital for commerce. I would much rather commute on roads maintained by tax dollars than by the abutting land owner.

 

[milktree]

Obviously, no states could work out those issues. We need a huge Federal gov for that. It should probably be expanded to cover the rest of the world as well, just to be safe. Why have different levels of government? It would be so much easier to just let Feds run everything.

Another straw man argument. I never said anything of the sort.

 

[GunValley]

You need to read more about working conditions before 30 years ago. Start with The triangle shirtwaist fire, then go on to the coal mining revolts of the 20s, then look at pretty much any sweatshop anywhere in the world.

I noticed you ignored a bunch of my examples, but none of that is really the point,

It's absolutely possible to preserve individual rights and still pay taxes for collective goods. We just suck at it.

Where you work, your profession, your trade... It's a choice you make. Nobody forces you to pick a career or employer. You can pickup and go anytime. That's the beauty of a free society. There is no slavery or indentured servitude forcing you to continue reporting to an unhealthy environment. Further, if people left dangerous or unethical companies, they'd go out of business and be replaced by employers that provided better conditions.

I didn't ignore a bunch of your examples, I just don't contest them.

 

[cekim]

Where you work, your profession, your trade... It's a choice you make. Nobody forces you to pick a career or employer. You can pickup and go anytime. That's the beauty of a free society. There is no slavery or indentured servitude forcing you to continue reporting to an unhealthy environment. Further, if people left dangerous or unethical companies, they'd go out of business and be replaced by employers that provided better conditions.

I didn't ignore a bunch of your examples, I just don't contest them.

Most of the more compelling (for the case of government regulation of labor) labor situations cited, not coincidentally, have abuse of government power present as well that helped one or a few connected players create and maintain that situation.

Government creates a problem, another faction of government swoops in to save the day. Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

 

[GunValley]

Volunteer fire departments? So everyone buys their own fire engine? The town still owns the equipment even though the responders are volunteers. I don't think my neighbors and I could buy an M1 abrams or a decent fighter plane either, nor could I field a big enough navy to keep pirates at bay since that is vital for commerce. I would much rather commute on roads maintained by tax dollars than by the abutting land owner.

If you fail to recognize the labor cost savings of a volunteer fire department, I can't really help you with that.

For the record, I never suggested that we privatize national defense. There are some very legitimate functions of government, and big tanks/planes/boats fit right in.

Roads and travel, I could make a case for or against. (Hence why I didn't contest that point, as it is another perfectly legitimate function of government.)

 

[Garys]

Volunteer fire departments have been around, and successful, for centuries.

Volunteer fire departments are having a hard time finding volunteers. Same with volunteer ambulance services. They worked fine when most of the inhabitants worked in the town and could drop what they were doing to respond. Now, most of the inhabitants live in the town but commute to work, sometimes an hour or more away. More and more services are hiring paid staff for the day hours. Even at that, at night it's very often impossible to get people to roll out of bed to fight a fire if they know that they have to be at work in the morning.

Times change, we need to change with them.

 

[Dill]

That exactly the point we are at in southern NH. For years we've had volunteer depts who usually paid a small stipend to the guys once a year based on calls. But we had more and more calls being retoned. Everyone will get out of bed at 2am on a tues to head to a structure fire but no one wants to get up for the 3rd minor ambulance call from the same guy at 2am on a weeknight. And its even worse harder during the work week since so few people work in town. In northwood we went from all volunteer to 2 fulltime guys during the week, and 3 years ago had to increase to 4 full timers with 24 hour coverage except for Friday night, saturday and sunday daytime. There was just no way to keep the ambulance rolling. And hard to keep guys who are willing to go to EMT or paramed training on a volunteer basis.

 

[TLB]

Senate Dems face gun-control dilemma - The Hill

 

[M1911]

Senate Dems face gun-control dilemma - The Hill

Best sentence in that article:

“The logic of Senate Republicans and some Senate Democrats is, ‘If the House won’t pick it up, much less pass it, why would we stick our necks out?’ ” said a strategist tracking the Senate debate.