I challenge. That giant pop up flag on the Ruger SR9c is pretty ridiculous. At least the hole is just a passive port.
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I challenge. That giant pop up flag on the Ruger SR9c is pretty ridiculous. At least the hole is just a passive port.
I paint my casings blaze orange to make them more visable in the LCI.
Funny thing is that my P220 has a LCI and I've never looked at it once. All my other Sigs predate that stupid hole.
It's just a handy way to explain how a magazine works relating to something people already know.
Look, if they are gonna do this it will probably be from records of sales already made. It has also probably been a consistant thing with the particular dealer they are after. Lets hope it is that pesky source of mis-information whose name we shun in disdain. That would turn many of us into cheerleaders.
I'm curious because I recently heard that Coakley hasn't been active in enforcing compliance with the "list" since she's been in office. If that has been the case for 4 years has it been on purpose to encourage dealers to take the risk? Has that fact become apparent to the governor who is insisting she get active?
I'm curious because I recently heard that Coakley hasn't been active in enforcing compliance with the "list" since she's been in office. If that has been the case for 4 years has it been on purpose to encourage dealers to take the risk? Has that fact become apparent to the governor who is insisting she get active?
Geez, all the rest of us bought ours 3 3/4 years ago from the trunk of a new cadillac full of new curtains. That black guy selling them was so kind. He offered to let us pay with foodstamps.
Walther has had an LCI since the 1930's on their PP/PPK and P-38 Pistols.
The protruding pin on the rear of the slide allows one to check for a loaded chamber just by feel alone, no looking down a hole is necessary. I'm surprised this type of LCI hasn't been adopted by other manufacturers.
Springfield XDm's have this.
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A touch based lci, even if it was also visible, was explicitly rejected by the previous AG wrt glocks.
The Second Amendment Foundation is pushing the CA case. I have no idea when it finally reaches the courts but before it does we should be raising money to bring the SAF here to file as soon as they win the case in CA. Why wait to allow MA the chance to do the forensics on the CA case to figure out how to beat it. The SAF can file and get MA under the gun in a day or so if we have money in place and have them lined up with the experienced law firms to get the job done. It is time to begin the fund raisers. It is time to enlist the elite team of people to lead the MA battle. We need names to file the lawsuit on behalf of. All you need is someone to say the only gun they can shoot accurately isn't allowed in the state. Our suit should be ready to go as soon as a CA decision is announced...within hours of the CA decision. If the CA list is determined to be nonsense then MA may not even defend the lists...especially if there is a suit filed immediately. Do we take aim and shake like Barney Fife? Hell no! Lets take a Dirty Harry stance and have a big loaded gun (figuratively speaking) waiting and take aim at busting the lists.
So if they transfer to a LEO who is undercover they are still transferring to a LEO and not violating the law. That was easy. LOL
I didn't know that, I live in Mass so I never actually got to handle or fire an XD
That doesn't make any sense, but what with regards to Mass gun laws does.
A system that allows two ways to check chamber condition is rejected in favor of a sight based system only?
How did the Walther PPK/PPKs gain Mass compliance?
It uses the protruding pin LCI system and also lacks a magazine disconnect?
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No determination was made other than "the Glock does not qualify under the regulations". Other brands use the LCI technique (for example, Beretta) without problem. One could argue that the Beretta's is colored red, however, it looks very much like it could be a case of "find a reason to keep the Glocks out" rather than an objective determination.
LE agencies conducting under-age stings don't send someone over 21 and try to bust stores for selling without checking ID (which is not an offense), but use the services of someone who is actually under 21 so that an actual crime is committed. Naturally, this part time job gains such minors tremendous respect amongst their peer group
.I would expect any non-compliant gun sting would use an unsworn buyer for this same reason.
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Indeed.
My first thought up on reading the OP was, 'WTF is this troll crap?' Not that it's an unbelievable situation; rather it seemed unusual for accurate info concerning something like this, to wash up on our collective doorstep. Nonetheless, as I read responses, it appeared that several NES members known (to me) for measured responses, with opinions I generally respect, seemed to take the OP at face value. This lead me to wonder if perhaps they were privy to further details I was not which accounted for there apparent confidence. This would make sense.
Now, hell, I'm just curious if anything came from this teacup tempest.
You don't know that. All you know is that the AG's office said it wasn't good enough. They didn't map out a specification for what was actually required. This is pretty clear from looking at the "accepted" guns and the perceived spec being all over the map. Some of the "approved" LCIs can be removed with gun solvent.
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It's pretty clear that the moonbats that get into the AG's office have a "thing" for striker fired handguns.
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If there was to be any type of LCI, that would definitely be the BEST way. No LCI at all, preferably.
On the XDm, IIRC, it doesn't protrude when there is nothing in the chamber. Not sure about any of the other firearms.
I paint mine all different colors so I know exactly how many I've fired. Except the top two, those are obviously snap caps.
LCI's go back even further than that, it is part of the design of the Luger. An LCI that can be felt, no need to visually inspect if a round is chambered. IMO a common sense LCI is an asset, not a liability. Obviously firearms manufacturers should not be mandated to include that as part of their design to sell their wares though.
The HK USP also does that luger style loaded chamber indicator. They machined the extractor so it so that it protrudes about 10 mils when there is brass in the chamber, painted the sides of it red, and wrote about in the the manual.
I wonder how bad that notch in the chamber is at collecting dirt.
I wonder how bad that notch in the chamber is at collecting dirt.
Good luck to them: the dealers still standing in MA have a lot better working knowledge of all the laws than most others.
Should fatten up Scott Brown's campaign fund nicely, though.
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I would put up the HK45 against any glock or sig.
Just for the record there are no "lists" in NJ that are being challenged. Other than the evil black rifle that can't have a flash supressor or folding stock. In NJ we can buy any handgun we want. The issue we face is no CCW unless you are a celebrity. And of course is the NRA helping us? NO. They just take our money and help out other states and by all accounts they avoid Ma. like the plague also.
I have read the thread and frankly you people need to stop talking about it and do something! They are 2 conflicting laws and if it is open to any interpretation it's not really a law. It's either one or the other not both.
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