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Atlanta Police Fatally Shoot Black Man in the Back at Wendy's Drive-Thru

Bonesinium said:
56. Zachary Hammond - shot in killed through driver window over a small amount of pot, police lied about incident
57. Jordan Edwards - teen shot in head and killed while in passenger seat of car, police lied about incident
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_...ne_of_duty_in_the_United_States#cite_note-777
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_...ne_of_duty_in_the_United_States#cite_note-777
This is just 2020.
2020[edit]
  • Public Safety Officer Jackson Winkeler, 2020-01-05, gunned down while conducting a traffic stop near the airport. [771]
  • Officer Paul Dunn, 2020-01-09, killed while driving his police-issued Harley-Davidson to work. [772]
  • Officer Nicholas Reyna, 2020-01-11, died after being hit by a car while working the scene of a traffic accident out of Lubbock, Texas. [773]
  • Deputy Jarid Taylor, 2020-01-14, died in a car crash while responding to an emergency call in Bryan County Oklahoma. [774]
  • Officers Tiffany-Victoria Enriquez, 2020-01-19, gunned down by a handyman with a history of run-ins with the law. [775]
  • Officers Kaulike Kalama, 2020-01-19, gunned down by a handyman with a history of run-ins with the law. [776]
  • Deputy Sheldon Whiteman, 2020-01-23, lost control of his cruiser, which veered off the roadway of Highway 57 and crashed in a wooded area in Long County Georgia. [777]
  • Katherine “Katie” Thyne, 2020-01-23, vehicular homicide after a traffic stop in Newport News, Virginia[778]
  • Major Angelanette Moore, 2020-01-23, collapsed from a heart attack several hours after searching a housing unit for contraband.[779]
  • Officer Alan McCollum, 2020-01-31, after being struck and killed by a suspected drunken driver. [780]
  • Officer Nick O'Rear, 2020-02-05, shot to death by a driver while assisting other officers in a vehicle pursuit. [781]
  • Officer Kenneth Reid Lester, 2020-02-05, fatally shot by a stranded motorist who was then killed by another officer.[782]
  • Deputy Sheriff Donna Richardson-Below, 2020-02-12, an oncoming vehicle crossed the center line and struck her patrol car head-on near Mansfield.[783]
  • Lieutenant Shirley Lanning, 2020-02-14, following a head-on-crash in Oklahoma City. [784]
  • Officer David Kellywood, 2020-02-17, responding to reports of “shots fired” near a casino outside of McNary, Arizona.[785]
  • Cody Holte, 2020-05-27, killed in shootout following the attempt to serve a writ of restitution, Grand Forks, North Dakota[786]
  • Nathan Lyday, fatally shot 2020-05-28, responding to a domestic dispute in Ogden, Utah[787]
  • Federal Protective Service Officer Patrick Underwood, 2020-5-29, shot in a drive-by in Oakland, California[788]
  • Sgt. Stephen Williams fatally shot 2020-06-02 responding to a reported disturbance in Moody, Alabama[789]
  • Sgt. Damon Gutzwiller, 2020-06-06, fatally shot responding to a disturbance in Santa Cruz, California.[790]
 
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GM-GUY said:
The guy was a bad guy. He was fighting with the cops, and managed to get a taser away from them - I’ll say good shoot IN NORMAL TIMES.

I guess the cop has been charged, the chief quit and riots continue.

Even 2 months ago, this would have been a non-story. Because things have been wound so tight, you get this. The press are stoking the flames as ‘Orange Man Bad’ and to make sure people don’t see and don’t cover 0bama-Gate.
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Completely agree. Actions like that the outcome wouldn't have changed from skin color or ethnicity.

It's a good shoot but everyone involved in one way or another loses and just gives the media more fuel to twist the story to fuel the narritive.
 
jhblaze1 said:
maybe, but there's hardly ever a legit reason to shoot someone in the back...Aside from stopping someone on a rampage who's heading off to hurt others....IDK the details here though.

We have a system of Due Process and if we're just going to shrug it off and say oh well let the cops execute people on the side of the road rather than fulfill their actual objective of delivering a perp to the court system, then we may as well just throw in the towel on this whole American experiment.
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after watching the video....100% clean kill.
 
babygorilla said:
List of law enforcement officers killed in the line of duty in the United States - Wikipedia
This is just 2020.
2020[edit]
  • Public Safety Officer Jackson Winkeler, 2020-01-05, gunned down while conducting a traffic stop near the airport. [771]
  • Officer Paul Dunn, 2020-01-09, killed while driving his police-issued Harley-Davidson to work. [772]
  • Officer Nicholas Reyna, 2020-01-11, died after being hit by a car while working the scene of a traffic accident out of Lubbock, Texas. [773]
  • Deputy Jarid Taylor, 2020-01-14, died in a car crash while responding to an emergency call in Bryan County Oklahoma. [774]
  • Officers Tiffany-Victoria Enriquez, 2020-01-19, gunned down by a handyman with a history of run-ins with the law. [775]
  • Officers Kaulike Kalama, 2020-01-19, gunned down by a handyman with a history of run-ins with the law. [776]
  • Deputy Sheldon Whiteman, 2020-01-23, lost control of his cruiser, which veered off the roadway of Highway 57 and crashed in a wooded area in Long County Georgia. [777]
  • Katherine “Katie” Thyne, 2020-01-23, vehicular homicide after a traffic stop in Newport News, Virginia[778]
  • Major Angelanette Moore, 2020-01-23, collapsed from a heart attack several hours after searching a housing unit for contraband.[779]
  • Officer Alan McCollum, 2020-01-31, after being struck and killed by a suspected drunken driver. [780]
  • Officer Nick O'Rear, 2020-02-05, shot to death by a driver while assisting other officers in a vehicle pursuit. [781]
  • Officer Kenneth Reid Lester, 2020-02-05, fatally shot by a stranded motorist who was then killed by another officer.[782]
  • Deputy Sheriff Donna Richardson-Below, 2020-02-12, an oncoming vehicle crossed the center line and struck her patrol car head-on near Mansfield.[783]
  • Lieutenant Shirley Lanning, 2020-02-14, following a head-on-crash in Oklahoma City. [784]
  • Officer David Kellywood, 2020-02-17, responding to reports of “shots fired” near a casino outside of McNary, Arizona.[785]
  • Cody Holte, 2020-05-27, killed in shootout following the attempt to serve a writ of restitution, Grand Forks, North Dakota[786]
  • Nathan Lyday, fatally shot 2020-05-28, responding to a domestic dispute in Ogden, Utah[787]
  • Federal Protective Service Officer Patrick Underwood, 2020-5-29, shot in a drive-by in Oakland, California[788]
  • Sgt. Stephen Williams fatally shot 2020-06-02 responding to a reported disturbance in Moody, Alabama[789]
  • Sgt. Damon Gutzwiller, 2020-06-06, fatally shot responding to a disturbance in Santa Cruz, California.[790]
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And how many of those did they determine the shooter was justified? Are you really not understanding? It’s not that this stuff happens. It’s that when a cop kills someone there’s little or no accountability. I didn’t realize I had to explain this again.
 
Rat187 said:
Not in this thread...?
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I think? If not, then in the other. I've seen it a few times, somewhere here. Apologies if I misled you.

Of course, the way NES is these days, cross-posting is now more the rule than the exception. #DupePoliceFail
 
I just watched the video he is running and turns and fires the taser at the cops. What do people think should happen or shouldn't happen.
 
watchman said:
I just watched the video he is running and turns and fires the taser at the cops. What do people think should happen or shouldn't happen.
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The answer to this has been answered many times above.

The cops and heros say shoot him.

Others who seem to lean toward more critical thinking and introspection say the cops should have found a way to manage the situation without killing him. There seem to be many, many options the cops had to de-fuse the sitch, and/or defend themselves from a non-life threatening situation without killing.
 
wilson911 said:
The answer to this has been answered many times above.

The cops and heros say shoot him.

Others who seem to lean toward more critical thinking and introspection say the cops should have found a way to manage the situation without killing him. There seem to be many, many options the cops had to de-fuse the sitch, and/or defend themselves from a non-life threatening situation without killing.
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What do you say? What is your plan for de-escalation? How quick in the heat of the moment can you re-think your stratetgy?
Not cornering you just keeping the conversation alive.
 
watchman said:
What do you say? What is your plan for de-escalation? How quick in the heat of the moment can you re-think your stratetgy?
Not cornering you just keeping the conversation alive.
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He went off when they cuffed him. The interaction was apparently reasonable up to that point. I'm unsure whether they cuffed him because he blew over the limit on the breathalyzer, or whether they cuffed him because he was a parolee, but the cuffing set him off.

Truthfully, they might not have had a choice: departmental policy might have demanded they cuff him, which wouldn't surprise me. But it spooked him. I'm not sure there's a way to cuff a wasted, scared dude without spooking him, but I've got to hope there is. And I'd imagine it's a trick a number of cops pull off all the time, without making any kind of headlines. Maybe not.

On this one, I know the guy shouldn't have died. But this is a less clear-cut case, I think, than a lot of the recent police shootings. I'll be a little surprised if they prosecute, but I'm not surprised the cop got fired because he shot a guy in the back with an SUV full of citizens as his backstop. That's unwise.
 
Problem is he was suspected of a crime based on the breathalyzer. He fought, ran and took a taser and then used it against the police at what point do you pull the get out of jail free card, call guilty and release the law?
Have we come to a point where black men should just be ignored for criminal behavior because of public opinion? I am no fan of heavy handed police action but this is not like the Minneapolis fiasco.
 
This is the first time I've examined the Rayshard Brooks incident in Atlanta beyond the headlines. Mostly for lack of time, not just "waiting for the facts to come in".

Over 40 minutes of compliant interaction, until the police decide to cuff him without warning. A little bit of "Hey... you blew 0.108 BAC on the field test, and you swayed a bit on the field sobriety test. You were asleep at the wheel when we showed up, so we need to check whether or not you were actually drunk. Why don't you come with us down to the station so we can find out?" could have gone a long way here.

But, no. It's just immediate "Put your hands behind your back!"

Here's a fact: police cannot legally use deadly force to stop a fleeing misdemeanant. They can't even use deadly force to stop a fleeing felon, except to prevent imminent loss of life.

Here's another fact: the maximum range of a Taser is 35 feet. Not maximum effective range (which is more like 15 feet for a trained and stationary user firing at a stationary target).

Yet another fact: the Taser is classified as a less-than-lethal weapon; by police claims and judicial definition, it is not "deadly".

So to sum up: a fleeing misdemeanant, untrained in the use of the Taser, running away and firing it blindly over his shoulder at a running target, does not justify the use of deadly force under any case law in U.S. jurisprudence.

Who knew that TTAG was going to turn into a good source for examining police use of force?

Bonus points for "White girl burning down the Wendy's! It ain't us, y'all!"

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&#9664Previous Post Next Post▶ By Russ Bynum and Brynn Anderson, AP One minute, Rayshard Brooks was chatting cooperatively with Atlanta police, saying he’d had a couple of drinks to celebrate his daughter’s birthday and agreeing to a breath test. The next, they were wrestling on the ground and...
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use-of-force-continuum.jpg

To address Picton's question, above is whats known as the use of force continuum. This is what police are trained on and illustrates what an an authorized response from the officer is based on what the subject they are dealing with does. Initially everyone is in the blue until the handcuffs come out. Then it elevates to the yellow/orange area. In Mass,t he drive stun is authorized in the yellow area, and probes(ie firing the darts) is orange. My departments policy puts probes in the middle of yellow and orange, if someone is actively resisting and is escalating to assaultive. I know this is in a lot of other policies not exclusively mine.

Drive stuns are strictly a pain compliance technique, it hurts but wont incapacitate you like probes do. So when they're on the ground wrestling, the threshold for using a drive stun is met. What is authorized and what actually works or is the smart thing is different, I've never seen a drive stun help a situation outside of someone who is laying on their hands and you cant get them out from under them. In the situation we see on this video, all drawing a taser does is give brooks the opportunity to take it from the cop.
 
CBL said:
Completely agree. Actions like that the outcome wouldn't have changed from skin color or ethnicity.

It's a good shoot but everyone involved in one way or another loses and just gives the media more fuel to twist the story to fuel the narritive.
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View: https://m.facebook.com/talbertswan/videos/321273721807520/


Jerry made it out alive. He gets into a scuffle with 2 cops. Steals their baton and beats them with it. A baton is less lethal when you don’t kill somebody with it. Then he steals their cruiser. Not one bullet fired
 
dragonballzz said:

View: https://m.facebook.com/talbertswan/videos/321273721807520/


Jerry made it out alive. He gets into a scuffle with 2 cops. Steals their baton and beats them with it. A baton is less lethal when you don’t kill somebody with it. Then he steals their cruiser. Not one bullet fired
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Wow. Were these the exact same two cops from Atlanta? No? Well then, it's almost like people are individuals and act differently in different situations rather than like a bunch of robots programmed from the factory.
 
Bonesinium said:
And how many of those did they determine the shooter was justified? Are you really not understanding? It’s not that this stuff happens. It’s that when a cop kills someone there’s little or no accountability. I didn’t realize I had to explain this again.
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Maybe it's cyclical.....I didn't think I needed to explain that.
 
wilson911 said:
The answer to this has been answered many times above.

The cops and heros say shoot him=MORONS/NEANDERTHALS

Others who seem to lean toward more critical thinking and introspection=BRILLIANT/WOKE say the cops should have found a way to manage the situation without killing him. There seem to be many, many options the cops had to de-fuse the sitch, and/or defend themselves from a non-life threatening situation without killing.
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Ahhhh gottcha. Now I'm starting to see the correct answer now that you have explained it that way...It's not people with a different opinion that you just people not as smart as you... [rofl] [rofl] [rofl]
 

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