namedpipes
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I have an FFL and have been delayed for the last dozen or so purchases.
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Well it WAS based on a sample size of one
Maybe the planets were just aligned that day.
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I have an FFL and have been delayed for the last dozen or so purchases.
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Well it WAS based on a sample size of one
Maybe the planets were just aligned that day.
I've heard more than one person say that same thing though. "I got my 07 and the delays stopped".
-Mike
I've heard more than one person say that same thing though. "I got my 07 and the delays stopped".
-Mike
Ironically, I know of an 07 that routinely gets delays with an occasional instant proceed. There's some speculation that a Top Secret clearance does impact the NICS check, but of course, no one behind the magic curtain will provide any details on that.
Start the call with "this line is being recorded"He's an ATF Special Agent and has the ability to completely ruin the rest of someone's life and he's asking you for advice on how to do his job!?!?!?!?
If he calls back, have a recorder ready and ask that you can record the phone call. Right now you have no evidence that he told you it's OK to ignore the letter.
So, what exacly was alleged to make you a PP and how/what did NHSP **** up?
That the charge of "Malicious Destruction of Property Over $250" was never reduced to "Under $250". Over $250 carries a max prison term of 2 1/2 years while Under $250 carries a max of 2 1/2 months, in MA at least. But he also thought based on a past case "Wanton / Malicious Destruction of Property Under $250" was still punishable by up to 2 1/2 years, which would make me a PP.
ATF sees a PP as anyone: "convicted in any court of a crime punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding one year". So yeah.
But when it comes to NHSP they either did not look hard enough or didn't care to look at my history prior to submitting the denial. Considering I received my NH Non-Resident Pistol Permit a few years ago and NHSP approved that, not sure why they would deny me now. Laziness?
Either that or tweak our resident P&R to serve as a Permanent Brady Permit, the provision under which certain carry permits qualify as an alternative to a NICS check (see 18 U.S.C. § 922(t)(3)(C)(i)(II)). Primarily that'd mean slightly reducing the validity period back down to 1,824 days or fewer.TThis is just another argument for NH getting rid of its Handgun POC (and using the federal one) frankly.
I've heard more than one person say that same thing though. "I got my 07 and the delays stopped".
Laws change? And the results change from the time of the courts decision?
so all the marijuana trafficking charges in MA are dropped?
And those perps are good for ma ltc now?
The NH NICS POC for handguns totally sucks and has like a handful of people working in it, so I can't say I'm surprised that they lazebagged something. Usually it blows up every gun show weekend and every other customer gets administratively delayed.
This is just another argument for NH getting rid of its Handgun POC (and using the federal one) frankly. The only reason they even have that POC is it was a wallhack to get around the defunct as of like 20? 30? years ago, brady waiting period for handguns.... (basically states with a handgun POC were exempt from the wait, so NH used this as wallhack... but this wallhack is no longer needed and hasn't been for over 20 years at least I think.... )
That aside, I think you should work through some state legislators (maybe talk to JR Hoell, he's more gun-aware than a lot of others in the NH house ) (or even the governor's office) to try to put their feet to the fire on shit like this- their "little error" quite literally could have put someone who didn't have their shit together under serious legal peril. Particularly disturbing in this case was the fact that you likely supplied them with the VAF UPIN and the NH NICS POC either didn't honor this or had no way of querying it? Or was just too lazy to care to... and if its the latter, that's just ****ing negligent.
-Mike
The NH NICS POC for handguns totally sucks and has like a handful of people working in it, so I can't say I'm surprised that they lazebagged something. Usually it blows up every gun show weekend and every other customer gets administratively delayed.
The NH NICS POC for handguns totally sucks and has like a handful of people working in it, so I can't say I'm surprised that they lazebagged something. Usually it blows up every gun show weekend and every other customer gets administratively delayed.
This is just another argument for NH getting rid of its Handgun POC (and using the federal one) frankly. The only reason they even have that POC is it was a wallhack to get around the defunct as of like 20? 30? years ago, brady waiting period for handguns.... (basically states with a handgun POC were exempt from the wait, so NH used this as wallhack... but this wallhack is no longer needed and hasn't been for over 20 years at least I think.... )
That aside, I think you should work through some state legislators (maybe talk to JR Hoell, he's more gun-aware than a lot of others in the NH house ) (or even the governor's office) to try to put their feet to the fire on shit like this- their "little error" quite literally could have put someone who didn't have their shit together under serious legal peril. Particularly disturbing in this case was the fact that you likely supplied them with the VAF UPIN and the NH NICS POC either didn't honor this or had no way of querying it? Or was just too lazy to care to... and if its the latter, that's just ****ing negligent.
-Mike
Ever tried providing your SSN on the 4473?I dont doubt it because after a breif period of being to get an instant approval. Maybe 2/3 years.
Now it seems i have to wait the 3 days everytime. I have a transfer coming up shortly, id love for it to just be easy for once.
That's not how NICS works. When you getting delayed, it's not about innocent things in your Facebook shadow profile, but rather because you (or somebody with a similar name) have records (in either the National Crime Information Center, the Interstate Identification Index, or the NICS Index) indicating "prohibited person" status -- arrests, indictments, court orders, dishonorable discharge, etc.ive done a great number of innocent things that look questionable on paper.
Saddening to hear that about NH NICS POC. Odd thing was I made my first trip to pick up my stripped lowered and was delayed. Provided my UPIN and all. Next day my Kimber Micro 9 arrived so I had them add that to paperwork. So the day before did the lower go through NICS and next day at some point Kimber went through NH NICS POC? Only paid one transfer fee.
The lady at FFL gave me the same speech I've heard before that the individual handling the background check didn't have proper authority to check UPIN. Needed a manager. So was it someone from NH NICS POC or NICS who said this?
Very valid points about state legislators. I will be contacting JR Hoell and the Governor. As you mentioned, imagine someone less informed received that call. Would they just have buckled? Upsetting to think about.
I can't understand what you mean by "submitted" and "returned". Jack.Ahhhm, that's interesting (the bolded bit). If they submitted your paperwork with "Other" checked and then added a "Handgun" to it after it was returned, that's a big no-no as I understand it. I've heard of people adding additional items of the same type for a 4473 though.
Searching for "55 Constitution Dr, Bedford, NH" shows ~10 entities at the Public Safety Complex, including something called "Ram Communications of New Hampshire"?Looks like the ATF office is 2nd floor of Bedford NH PD - I wonder what else is up there?
====> So, even though you have an FFL, you buy on a 4473? I get it in the case of the above poster, who didn't want to keep a 10/22 on the books to take out and use shooting, but...back when I had an FFL, you could sign it out as "for owner's personal use" and not do a 4473. Do you need a NICS check nowadays if you sigh one out this way?I have an FFL and have been delayed for the last dozen or so purchases.
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====> They just had a posting for a job that was "Background Checker" for NH. I was always told that the POC was regular officers assigned to that. Obviously, they are adding a civilian for this spot. (You can tell it's not a Trooper, since it only required a fingerprint background check to qualify, and was only paying $13.65 an hour. ) Would have loved to apply, but who can live on $13.65? The person checking is probably limited to strictly checking a conviction record, especially since with a 4-5 year permit term someone could have gotten a conviction in between being issued a permit and the time of the background check. Just my .02But when it comes to NHSP they either did not look hard enough or didn't care to look at my history prior to submitting the denial. Considering I received my NH Non-Resident Pistol Permit a few years ago and NHSP approved that, not sure why they would deny me now. Laziness?
NH needs to go "Permanent Brady Permit" for NICS exemption
In case anybody is wondering, ATF has a little extra background on NH and the Brady wallhack.
Either that or tweak our resident P&R to serve as a Permanent Brady Permit, the provision under which certain carry permits qualify as an alternative to a NICS check (see 18 U.S.C. § 922(t)(3)(C)(i)(II)). Primarily that'd mean slightly reducing the validity period back down to 1,824 days or fewer.
====> I argued for this in the past, since I always had a long drive down and back to the "better" gun shops in NH (with a wait in between). I was royally toasted by everyone, screaming "No, we don't want to make the permit more stringent. We are close to Con-Carry, and this could screw it up, or make it so that the "regular" permit was changed to a 'mandatory' enhanced one. "I hope a NH resident petitions their reps for something like this, or better yet a carry permit that qualifies as a NICS exemption. I'm considering a move to NH but I am so spoiled with the NICS exemption for my Montana CWP that it sucks to go backwards in that regard. Before the ink is dry on the 4473 I'm out the door with my new handgun/long gun/other!
I can't understand what you mean by "submitted" and "returned". Jack.
FTFY.Start the call with "He's an ATF Special Agent and ... he's asking you for advice on how to do his job!?!?!?!?
If he calls back, have a recorder ready and ask that you can record the phone call.this line is being recordedthis call may be recorded for quality insurance purposes"