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ATF Seeks new massive database of personal info
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Oh great. So now when I try and purchase a gun I will get delayed for weeks instead of days as the background search is performed and reviewed by an ATF analyst.
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Ugh no, it is a wee bit worse then that
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This is exactly what we need. 50 million people on food stamps, enormous unemployment, a destroyed housing market, over 20,000 gun laws nationaly and now we need to spend millions more tax dollars on something that wont do anything but make it easier to take away peoples rights. Excellent...
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They are collecting data the old fashion way lately. Door to doors
This will take decades to implement, cost billions of dollars and won't work. This reminds me of the VA and DOD project to integrate veteran's medical records. Five years and $300 million spent and the whole project is a disaster and is now being written off as undoable.
I am from the government and I am here to help you!!!
And of course once the info is all neatly stored in a data base..it will be up for sale to the highest bidder by some low life hacker!!!!!!
If no one saw it coming they must be related to Rip Van Winkle!!!!!!!!! Sleeping under some shade tree!!!
Well... the head-less horseman's will have your info!!!
And of course once the info is all neatly stored in a data base..it will be up for sale to the highest bidder by some low life hacker!!!!!!
If no one saw it coming they must be related to Rip Van Winkle!!!!!!!!! Sleeping under some shade tree!!!
Well... the head-less horseman's will have your info!!!
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Because they have zero issues maintaining and updating their current databases ![[thinking]](/xen/styles/default/xenforo/smilies.vb/010.gif "Thinking [thinking]")
beaker
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Unfortunately Google will probably do it for free. Do no evil my ass...
BTW, I've stopped using Google for any searching and am giving up chrome as well. I suggest everyone Un-Google themselves. They are just far too cozy with the wrong kinds of people to trust with so much personal information.
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BTW, I've stopped using Google for any searching and am giving up chrome as well. I suggest everyone Un-Google themselves. They are just far too cozy with the wrong kinds of people to trust with so much personal information.
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Indeed.
"Welcome to the beat of a city street,
Walk on now, and don't be shy.
Take a closer look at the people you meet,
And notice the fear in their eye, yeah,
Watchin' the time passing by."
In God We Trust
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The majority of law abiding gun owners want this data base.
MaverickNH
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Great post on John Lott's blog that connects Universal background checks, databases and gun confiscation:
It will be a gradual gun registration bill. As the ACLU lobbyist warns:
“nfortunately, we have seen in the past that the creation of these types of records leads sometimes to the creation of government databases and collections of personal information on all of us,” Calabrese warned. “That’s not an inevitable result, but we have seen that happen in the past, certainly.”
“As we’ve seen with many large government databases, if you build it, they will come.” . . .
... and then,
Yet, Obama denies that the bill involves registration:
"We're not proposing a gun registration system; we're proposing background checks for criminals," he said Wednesday in Denver. . . .
Though his own Justice Department claims that background checks won't work without registration.
the NRA says the memo proves that the administration “believes that a gun ban will not work without mandatory gun confiscation” and thinks universal background checks “won't work without requiring national gun registration,” according to the AP. . . .
... and finally,
Of course, registration could never lead to confiscation of guns in the US, right? Well, it has already done so in California.
Anyone who wanted to keep one of the named firearms must have owned it prior to June 1, 1989, and had to register it by March 30, 1992. Registration gave the state a list of owners. . . .
In August 1998, however, a California appellate court held the Attorney General could not legally allow the gun owners to register their weapons after the March 1992 deadline. That ruling came after many owners had already identified themselves by registering late. The Attorney General had led the law- fearing lambs into a trap: citizens had voluntarily informed the state that they were felons. . . .
Well worth checking out the whole post and articles referenced.
It will be a gradual gun registration bill. As the ACLU lobbyist warns:
“nfortunately, we have seen in the past that the creation of these types of records leads sometimes to the creation of government databases and collections of personal information on all of us,” Calabrese warned. “That’s not an inevitable result, but we have seen that happen in the past, certainly.”
“As we’ve seen with many large government databases, if you build it, they will come.” . . .
... and then,
Yet, Obama denies that the bill involves registration:
"We're not proposing a gun registration system; we're proposing background checks for criminals," he said Wednesday in Denver. . . .
Though his own Justice Department claims that background checks won't work without registration.
the NRA says the memo proves that the administration “believes that a gun ban will not work without mandatory gun confiscation” and thinks universal background checks “won't work without requiring national gun registration,” according to the AP. . . .
... and finally,
Of course, registration could never lead to confiscation of guns in the US, right? Well, it has already done so in California.
Anyone who wanted to keep one of the named firearms must have owned it prior to June 1, 1989, and had to register it by March 30, 1992. Registration gave the state a list of owners. . . .
In August 1998, however, a California appellate court held the Attorney General could not legally allow the gun owners to register their weapons after the March 1992 deadline. That ruling came after many owners had already identified themselves by registering late. The Attorney General had led the law- fearing lambs into a trap: citizens had voluntarily informed the state that they were felons. . . .
Well worth checking out the whole post and articles referenced.
The database won't be limited to use by ATF. Don't be surprised when the TSA agent at the airport inquires about your last speeding ticket.
