ATF Says Quarter Million Registered Pistols During Amnesty Period Out Of An Estimated 20-40 Million In Circulation

[Tartakovsky]

ATF Says a Quarter Million Guns Registered Under Pistol-Brace Ban

Only a fraction of the guns affected by the ATF’s new rule were registered with the agency during the four-month grace period that ended this week.

thereload.com

 

[Blackmore]

"Between 20 and 40 million"? That's a big made up number designed to perpetuate the myth that gunowners are evil and don't respect the law.

 

[safetyfirst2125]

So they’ve created 20-40 million American criminals out of gun owners with their “rule change”.

Congress delegating law creation to agencies they created was itself, a criminal act.

 

[Bt74]

Just think if only a few, rather than a quarter million didn't roll over?

 

[Drix]

Just think if only a few, rather than a quarter million didn't roll over?

Thats just .6% of the estimated rifles, how much less do you think matters?

Even if you took the 20M low ball number- which you never would because liberals are always going to scream for the larger number of guns in circulation its just 1%- that's a huge win.

 

[Horatio_Alger_Jr]

So they are admitting they are in common use?

 

[hunt4riches]

So they are admitting they are in common use?

As you've seen with the courts, they can word-salad anything they want especially since there is no numerical threshold or definition for "common use". 100% of Americans can own a particular firearm and the "common use" argument is out the window because a judge can just declare they are not for any reason or no reason at all.

 

[Drix]

As you've seen with the courts, they can word-salad anything they want especially since there is no numerical threshold or definition for "common use". 100% of Americans can own a particular firearm and the "common use" argument is out the window because a judge can just declare they are not for any reason or no reason at all.

Whats the quote?

"Ownership doesn't dictate common use, use dictates common use"

 

[hunt4riches]

Whats the quote?

"Ownership doesn't dictate common use, use dictates common use"

I'm just pointing out the judicial branch is corrupt and doesn't care. Look at the election suits....

 

[Blackmore]

I think they are trying to suggest to the great unwashed that 20 to 40 million of the ARs in public hands regardless of their original configuration (rifle - pistol - stripped receiver) have been converted by their owners into now illegal SBRs.

As Iceman said above

BULL$#!T

 

[paul73]

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"Between 20 and 40 million"? That's a big made up number designed to perpetuate the myth that gunowners are evil and don't respect the law.

but gives government a head count of how large future concentration camps are supposed to be.
a rather enthusiastic approach, i`ve got to say, to estimate an effort to process and round up 40mln people in the country of merely 300mln adults.

let`s see now how many billions will atf be granted, compared to irs.

and to anyone who doubts anything, just remember this face well:

 

[pastera]

The inferior courts are trying to write words into the Bruen just like they did Heller and McDonald.

https://scholar.smu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1659&context=law_faculty

DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA v. HELLER

www.law.cornell.edu

Heller's holdings clearly indicate that "The Second Amendment protects an individual right to possess a firearm unconnected with service in a militia, and to use that arm for traditionally lawful purposes, ..." However, before Bruen, they focus on the clause in that holding ('such as self-defense within the home') much like they do the prefatory clause of the second ("A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, ")

Now, under Bruen, they are again writing in "for self defense" into Heller's syllabus 1(f) holding referencing Miller:

United States v. Miller, 307 U. S. 174 , does not limit the right to keep and bear arms to militia purposes, but rather limits the type of weapon to which the right applies to those used by the militia, i.e., those in common use for lawful purposes. Pp. 47–54.

By purposely misquoting "lawful purposes" as "self defense", they change the the holding in what a casual observer may see as insignificant. However the change is extreme and should rise to immediate writ of certiorari from the Supreme Court as it has a major effect on a fundamental, enumerate right.
Self defense is a small fraction of "lawful purposes" and the inferior courts are clear that they only mean self defense against individual criminal civilians within their definition.
This is in direct conflict with the Heller decision where the court addresses the "security of a free state" with this statement:

Third, when the able-bodied men of a nation are trained in arms and organized, they are better able to resist tyranny.

A clear definition of tyranny is that of oppression enforced by governments: Definition of TYRANNY
Therefore the 2nd's protection must encompass those arms and actions that allow a citizenry to dissuade or expel tyrannical actions by government powers, foreign or domestic.

"Lawful Purposes" clearly includes self defense against criminal elements of society but also includes all actions that do not abridge the core rights of other citizens (life, liberty and property) including the right/duty to secure the Constitution from unlawful, tyrannical acts.

 

[heck ya beaches]

So they’ve created 20-40 million American criminals out of gun owners with their “rule change”.

Congress delegating law creation to agencies they created was itself, a criminal act.

Created 20-40mm illegal pistols. That said, even if each owner accounts for 6 of them, that's over 3mm to 6mm felons created for the wrong shape of plastic.

 

[drgrant]

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"Between 20 and 40 million"? That's a big made up number designed to perpetuate the myth that gunowners are evil and don't respect the law.

Lol not sure if serious, most don’t “respect” gun laws, only obeying ones that they think theres a chance they’ll get sent to prison for. Particularly not now, people have had “enough” of this BS.

 

[drgrant]

Thats just .6% of the estimated rifles, how much less do you think matters?

Even if you took the 20M low ball number- which you never would because liberals are always going to scream for the larger number of guns in circulation its just 1%- that's a huge win.

People also keep forgetting that:

-most pistol brace gun owners either don’t know about this whole fiasco
-potentially an even larger amount know but don’t care. They’re “done”. dealing with this BS.

 

[Dennis in MA]

As you've seen with the courts, they can word-salad anything they want especially since there is no numerical threshold or definition for "common use". 100% of Americans can own a particular firearm and the "common use" argument is out the window because a judge can just declare they are not for any reason or no reason at all.

"You don't use that to kill deer." I've watched that argument for decades. ????? To trot out an old reply - I'm sorry - I don't recall us having to go to war to defend our nation against MF'ING DEER!

 

[Tartakovsky]

So they’ve created 20-40 million American criminals out of gun owners with their “rule change”.

Congress delegating law creation to agencies they created was itself, a criminal act.

You were already a criminal in the ATF’s eyes. They hate you.