ATF says it is now legal to shoulder arm brace

[Mass-diver]

That's my point. But doesn't matter whether you are acting in good faith. They'll do what they want, regardless of their letter.

Be thankful you live don't live in MA, pretty much everything is like this.....so the choices are:

1.) don't own guns
2.) try to follow the stupid, nonsensical laws as best you can (I.e in good faith)
3.) disregard all the laws and "just go for it"

 

[snax]

What if i hold my henry mare's leg (13" barreled pistol) which has a short stock, up to my shoulder, is it now an sbr?

What if i dont fire it but hold it up there for demonstration?

What if i shoulder it while I fire blanks?

I know it refers to arm braces... but are they really going to stop there? Functionally, it's doing the same thing.

 

[ChevyGuy91]

What if i hold my henry mare's leg (13" barreled pistol) which has a short stock, up to my shoulder, is it now an sbr?

What if i dont fire it but hold it up there for demonstration?

What if i shoulder it while I fire blanks?

I know it refers to arm braces... but are they really going to stop there? Functionally, it's doing the same thing.

 

[SMASHING MACHINE]

Whatever man... I will take it.

 

[weekendracer]

Oh boy, a pistol in 300blk might be in my future

 

[92G]

What if i hold my henry mare's leg (13" barreled pistol) which has a short stock, up to my shoulder, is it now an sbr?

What if i dont fire it but hold it up there for demonstration?

What if i shoulder it while I fire blanks?

I know it refers to arm braces... but are they really going to stop there? Functionally, it's doing the same thing.

the GCA and NFA remind of when the catholic church tried to "teach" astronomy. a 5 year old asking the "what ifs" could poke holes in those arguments real fast. collapse.

 

[Bt74]

Oh boy, a pistol in 300blk might be in my future

5.56...but with an SOB Brace.

 

[Reptile]

There are some companies making an AR15 pistol in Mass:
1. Fixed Mag
2. Arm Brace

Since it has a fixed mag it is no longer a rifle.

Still trying to understand the concept.


My question is this:

IF I had a "Pre Healy Pre 7/20/16" AR 15 lower - could I put an adjustable arm brace on it with a 16" length upper?

I am not trying to make a pistol because I don't want a fixed mag.

I just want an adjustable arm brace and I guess the length would be a legal 26" overall...

Maxim CQB Pistol: PDW Brace for AR15 – Maxim Defense

 

[amm5061]

There are some companies making an AR15 pistol in Mass:
1. Fixed Mag
2. Arm Brace

Since it has a fixed mag it is no longer a rifle.

Still trying to understand the concept.


My question is this:

IF I had a "Pre Healy Pre 7/20/16" AR 15 lower - could I put an adjustable arm brace on it with a 16" length upper?

I am not trying to make a pistol because I don't want a fixed mag.

I just want an adjustable arm brace and I guess the length would be a legal 26" overall...

Maxim CQB Pistol: PDW Brace for AR15 – Maxim Defense

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OAL doesn't matter except for vertical fore grips, as stupid as that is. Unfortunately, that brace & buffer would make it a pistol. Also, if the lower was previously built out as a rifle, you cannot now make it a pistol under federal law. If you make an AR pistol in MA, it is subject to the pistol restrictions: the weight restriction and such.

So IANAL, but my answer here is no, you can't do what you describe. The beauty of the fixed mag situation is that it doesn't matter if the lower is pre-Healy or not.

 

[DispositionMatrix]

It's more a question for those at the range that might question me than anything else.

Really? You have _those_ people at your range? Pelham? Chester?

 

[Reptile]

OAL doesn't matter except for vertical fore grips, as stupid as that is. Unfortunately, that brace & buffer would make it a pistol. Also, if the lower was previously built out as a rifle, you cannot now make it a pistol under federal law. If you make an AR pistol in MA, it is subject to the pistol restrictions: the weight restriction and such.

So IANAL, but my answer here is no, you can't do what you describe. The beauty of the fixed mag situation is that it doesn't matter if the lower is pre-Healy or not.

Ok, so it's the brace that makes it a pistol - not the length.

Are you saying that even if I have a pre Healy lower - I need a fixed mag?

Regarding a brace and fixed mag - check this out...

 

[amm5061]

Ok, so it's the brace that makes it a pistol - not the length.

Are you saying that even if I have a pre Healy lower - I need a fixed mag?

Regarding a brace and fixed mag - check this out...

It's actually the inability to attach, or lack of, a stock. So the buffer tube is the key.

And unless you can magically make a super ultra lightweight pistol that can come in under the Assault Pistol weight limit (something like 50oz, but I'm going from memory and it might be slightly higher), then yeah, you'll need a fixed mag. That just removes all the AWB bullshit from consideration. Pre-Healy makes no difference here since this stuff falls under the AWB, not the Healy Decrees.

If you have a pre-Healy lower, you could look into SBRing it with a PDW-type stock instead of brace. I'm not super familiar with it, but there seems to be some grey areas around adjustable stocks there.

I actually have a fixed-mag AR pistol. It's a ton of fun at the range.

 

[amm5061]

Also, there's a good thread going with a bunch of our pistol builds.

AR pistol with fixed Mag? (In mass )

 

[glide]

SP89 w/tactical brace. Problem solved for those in MA.

 

[Shawnyc]

SP89 w/tactical brace. Problem solved for those in MA.

SP89 in pistol form cannot be transfered by a MA FFL.

 

[glide]

SP89 in pistol form cannot be transfered by a MA FFL.

You are talking to the wrong FFL if that is your impression.

 

[Lxpony]

SP89 in pistol form cannot be transfered by a MA FFL.

Sp89 is preban and perfectly legal. get your facts straight

 

[Shawnyc]

You are talking to the wrong FFL if that is your impression.

Ah your right I was thinking of the model they released earlier this year, thanks for the correction.