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Looks like the ATF raided an 80% company, claiming their build kits fit the legal definition of a firearm. Apparently Polymer 80 had already pulled the kits, pending discussion with the ATF. From what the article says, it seems a little like the SB Tactical situation: a company trying to communicate and work with the ATF gets shwacked.
Link to article
Op has 5 posts since June, maybe no one has told them about the little SEARCH feature top right corner
In all fairness the NES search engine ain’t exactly Google.....thank god!Op has 5 posts since June, maybe no one has told them about the little SEARCH feature top right corner
This is very old news. (like, 7 years old, per the article.)
Here are a couple of the threads about the story as it grew...
Ares Armor fends off the BATFE...for now
Sorry if this is a dupe, but I am so incensed about this story. In short, they want his records--who's bought 80% lowers from him. So, I guess screw the 4th Amendment?? [angry] http://fox5sandiego.com/2014/03/12/gun-store-owner-halts-federal-raid/#axzz2vqRlPNQWwww.northeastshooters.comAres Armor Dumps Dimitri
Just got this email from Ares Armor: July 6, 2015 It is with heavy hearts in Ares Armor Inc. that we announce the forced termination of Founder Dimitri Karras for breach of duty as an employee of this firm. Mr. Karras had been on paid administrative leave since March 2015 for highly...www.northeastshooters.com10,000 Dollar reward offered for anyone who can point to the law on "Firearm Receiver
This guy does have balls. I am not familiar with the law he talks about. Good luck on winning the 10,000 bucks. http://youtu.be/a6XkWOqgBvcwww.northeastshooters.com
i love the narrative -Except it just happened again. Only problem is he linked to the wrong article:
Ghost-Gun Company Raided by Federal Agents
ATF agents raided one of the nation’s largest manufacturers of ghost-gun parts, a sign that federal law enforcement is cracking down on kits that allow people to make weapons at home.www.wsj.com
To be fair, at least this is not some bullsh*t article about a shooting in the middle of nowhere USA, but OMG WE NEED TO POST IT IN GENERAL BECAUSE GUNSSSS!Op has 5 posts since June, maybe no one has told them about the little SEARCH feature top right corner
I mean, that is literally how this whole thing works. Or do you think that somehow, search warrants only get executed on people that have already been found guilty?i love the narrative -
ATF suspects Polymer80 of breaking firearms laws
'suspects' and then raids the business. ain`t it good to be feds.
In all fairness the NES search engine ain’t exactly Google.....thank god!
No. They determined that the complete buy, build, shoot kits with everything you need are firearms. Not 80% lowers by themselves. Still BS, but different than what you said.Bottom line is this: atf got a search warrant. They have "determined" that p80 frames actually are firearms and that p80 has failed to conduct background checks. Yes it's that bad.
Thanks. The original link was about the Ares raid. This new link clarifies things.Except it just happened again. Only problem is he linked to the wrong article:
Ghost-Gun Company Raided by Federal Agents
ATF agents raided one of the nation’s largest manufacturers of ghost-gun parts, a sign that federal law enforcement is cracking down on kits that allow people to make weapons at home.www.wsj.com
I'm guilty of it when I am being lazyTo be fair, at least this is not some bullsh*t article about a shooting in the middle of nowhere USA, but OMG WE NEED TO POST IT IN GENERAL BECAUSE GUNSSSS!
Also, plenty of NES members with 2K+ posts can't be bothered to use the search.
The kit, which Polymer80 sells online, meets the definition of a firearm, ATF investigators determined according to the warrant application.
So gangbangers can buy BB&S and literally B, B & S! I guess having to order the other parts from Brownell's is the extra step to make the whole process 80%. The rest of the article is "no comment from the company, no word from the ATF."
While I have nothing to hide, I don't dig the fact they seized records too. I'm assuming that means transaction records.
I'd be really shocked if Polymer80 didn't get an ATF letter clearing their 80%er ... the problem is like with arm braces, ATF wants to evaluate "in totality", so I bet they consider if you bundle permitted 80% with a jig and few other components, then it's "too easy", rather than selling 80% alone.
Gangbangers are the last people buying this bundled kits. They are either too dumb and buy off a dealer, or gangs have operation setup with a real CNC cranking guns out over the border (real story). The main customers of these bundles are not gangbangers, it's usually noobs getting into building.
So similar to Honey Badger, this is BATFE getting pissy about advertising an 'approved" item but not submitting the new variant of the kit for the tech branch to play with.WSJ said:The ATF previously gave Polymer80 permission to sell unfinished receivers. But the Buy Build Shoot Kits, which are advertised as having “all the necessary components to build a complete...pistol” weren’t submitted to the agency for approval, according to the application for the search warrant. These kits can be “assembled into fully functional firearms in a matter of minutes,” the warrant application says.
So buy the deal online today is what your saying lol?Bottom line is this: atf got a search warrant. They have "determined" that p80 kits actually are firearms and that p80 has failed to conduct background checks. Yes it's that bad.
Edited as noted by pappym3.