article Assault Weapons Ban ineffective (A Non starter)

[Richland]

The morning after the Sandy Hook shootings, Shannon Watts, a mother of five and a former public relations executive, started a Facebook page called “One Million Moms for Gun Control.” It proved wildly popular and members quickly focused on renewing the federal ban on military style assault weapons.

“We all were outraged about the fact that this man could use an AR-15, which seemed like a military grade weapon, and go into an elementary school and wipe out 26 human beings in less than five minutes,” Watts said.

Nearly two years later, Watts works full-time as the head of the group, now named Moms Demand Action for Gun Sense in America, is a significant player in a coalition financed by former New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg. But while polls suggest a majority of Americans still support an assault weapons ban, it is no longer one of Watts’ top priorities.

http://www.valuewalk.com/2014/09/gun-control-assault-weapons/

 

[Da_lucche]

“Ultimately,” she said, “what’s going to save the most lives are background checks.” Yes because background checks are definitely something that criminals are going to wait for.

Gotta love the gun grabber line of thought: when one knee jerk emotional, feel good remedy talking point doesn't resonate, make up another one and run with it for as long as you can keep the overemotional overloaded to a maximum.

 

[DispositionMatrix]

But while polls suggest a majority of Americans still support an assault weapons ban,...

That, in and of itself, bothers me.

 

[willbdavis]

Keep telling the truth. It ain't the tool that matters. It is the person wielding the tool. I have lots of evil guns and have yet to ever shoot another human being and hope to go to my grave with the same claim.

Contrast that with Mr. Gang Banger who gets street cred from homicide, especially if the victim is law enforcement.

 

[wahsben]

Actually the push for background checks has more to do with the fact that it allows a record of purchases and is therefore a way of registering people who have guns and can be used when the time comes for confiscation. These scum know what they are doing. They use the lie over and over again that it is about safety but gun control has never made anyone safer because it only disarms the innocent.

“Ultimately,” she said, “what’s going to save the most lives are background checks.” Yes because background checks are definitely something that criminals spend their times in FFLs waiting for.

Gotta love the gun grabber line of thought: when one knee jerk emotional, feel good remedy talking point doesn't resonate, make up another one and run with it for as long as you can keep the overemotional overloaded to a maximum.

 

[Palladin]

Actually the push for background checks has more to do with the fact that it allows a record of purchases and is therefore a way of registering people who have guns and can be used when the time comes for confiscation. These scum know what they are doing. They use the lie over and over again that it is about safety but gun control has never made anyone safer because it only disarms the innocent.

QFTFT

 

[grey]

It’s not just that the ban proved to be what Watts calls a “nonstarter” politically, gaining fewer votes in the Senate post-Sandy Hook than background check legislation. It was also that as Watts spoke to experts and learned more about gun violence in the United States, she realized that pushing for a ban isn’t the best way to prevent gun deaths.

A 2004 Justice Department-funded evaluation found no clear evidence that the decade-long ban saved any lives. The guns categorized as “assault weapons” had only been used in about 2 percent of gun crimes before the ban. “Should it be renewed,” the report concluded, “the ban’s effects on gun violence are likely to be small at best and perhaps too small for reliable measurement.”

So now she's admitting that she knew close to nothing about the problem and is only now beginning to do some research?

 

[exo]

In a study I just conducted (from the reputable study group MyButt, Inc.), most people support more "background checks" because they have no idea that most gun sales already occur at dealers and dealers are already required to conduct background checks.

 

[sweed]

I support ' military grade assault weapons', for all US Citizens. If the gov't/ military has it, we should have it, per our Constitution.

 

[grey]

I would love to hear how anyone who supports universal background checks plans to implement it if it becomes law. It doesn't seem possible and citizens-turned-felons will go on about their daily lives

 

[snd1t]

Lets not forget that Scott Brown voted FOR an AWB in Mass and has recently called for a federal AWB

 

[Beansie]

That, in and of itself, bothers me.

I have to believe this is out of ignorance. I'll be honest, when I finally actually read what the AWB was I actually cracked up laughing.

Once people see it is the "racial profiling" of the firearm world, they tend to get it.

The back side to that is informing mouth foaming anti's it is just a cosmetic issue for the most part will lead to significantly more teeth in bans, like Cali, NY, etc.

 

[Hoover]

Yeah background checks are going to saves lives, just ask the gangbanger victims in Chicago, background checks stopped the Az shooter (oops, nope Lougher passed the background check), Stopped the CO movie theater one, the Navy yard shooter, oops nope they passed too and bought them at a gun store. It stopped Newtown, nope he stole them.

They did learn. If they were to learn, they would understand that there are always going to be a certain number of murders and crime (a certain percentage of people are bad) and they would look to educate people on guns and encourage people to own them and respect them. The mom's hags and others are pushing a losing issue, the public does not support what they want. And it gets less support each day that passes.

Experts say that a smarter way to approach the assault weapons ban might be to focus on the ammunition, not the design of the guns themselves. The 1994 gun ban included a ban on magazines with more than 10 rounds of ammunition. Unlike “assault weapons,” high-capacity magazines were used in as much as 26 percent of gun crimes before the ban. Limiting magazines to a smaller number of rounds might mean shooters, particularly in mass shooting situations, could not hit as many victims as quickly.

Yeah, mag changes are so tough and time consuming.

There is some evidence that the ban was preventing violence outside the U.S.: Mexican politicians have long blamed the end of the assault weapons ban for contributing to drug-related violence in Mexico. In a 2013 study, three American academics found that the end of the ban brought about “at least 238 additional deaths annually” in areas of Mexico near the U.S. border.

Eric Holder should send them a card for not mentioning his name as the chief gun runner for the cartels.

 

[LoginName]

And just another reason to oppose and thwart any universal background check legislation...

While many gun control groups still officially support the assault weapons ban 2014 “we haven’t abandoned the issue,” as
Watts said 2014 they’re no longer actively fighting for it.

The only reason why they've put an AWB on the back burner, is that they're putting all their time, effort and money into passing
UBC's.

And if they ever do succeed in getting it passed, they'll just become more emboldened and turn their attention on another
AWB and mag ban.

 

[snd1t]

I would love to hear how anyone who supports universal background checks plans to implement it if it becomes law. It doesn't seem possible and citizens-turned-felons will go on about their daily lives

Ask the canadians

They ignored registration for a decade plus iirc

 

[426wedge]

In a study I just conducted (from the reputable study group MyButt, Inc.), most people support more "background checks" because they have no idea that most gun sales already occur at dealers and dealers are already required to conduct background checks.

 

[grey]

I would love to hear how anyone who supports universal background checks plans to implement it if it becomes law. It doesn't seem possible and citizens-turned-felons will go on about their daily lives

Ask the canadians

They ignored registration for a decade plus iirc

seriously. any response to universal background checks should be "How?" and it all falls apart. There is a reason why it hasnt been tried and the AWB was. It will jam the system

 

[DispositionMatrix]

seriously. any response to universal background checks should be "How?" and it all falls apart. There is a reason why it hasnt been tried and the AWB was. It will jam the system

The kind of people who would usher a UBC law into being do not care if it would "jam the system."

 

[Squire]

I support ' military grade assault weapons', for all US Citizens. If the gov't/ military has it, we should have it, per our Constitution.

This IS the MFT.