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if the story is accurate and this was a shootout between two groups of drug dealers, then the CCW's fired upon a target that wasn't engaging them. of course the story could be wildly off. hopefully the CCW folks perceived threat against themselves before engaging. but if it's just to be a good samaritan, sorry I find that straight dumb.
 
I don't think the 2 good guys shot at all. They just held the preps at gunpoint till the police showed up.

The story started out being reported last night simply as "2 bystanders broke it up". Almost like they were trying to censor the news. Just a couple of hours ago, the "legally armed" angle came into it.
Still a developing story.


It will be interesting to read the replies here about "intervene/don't intervene". Whichever side you are on will probably be dependent on where you are from.
 
gotcha.
i found the story so vague. difficult to understand.
either way I just wouldn't comprehend drawing a firearm if I'm not directly threatened. but then again my soul has been marinating in massprudence for the past 6+ years so I'm probably just a giant chicken shit by free USA standards.
 
If the armed bystanders want to be LEOs they should join the force. Carried sidearm is not for intervening in drug-related shootouts between others.
 
Having a shootout in a public parking lot is dangerous for more people than just the people involved. You guys seriously think just letting drug dealers shoot it out in public is okay and no intervention should ever be necessary? So when an innocent shopper gets struck and killed, too bad for them? Wowzers.
 

Of course they don't recommend "citizens" do law enforcements job for them, it would be an admission of their jobs not being as important or necessary. In this case, it would almost be an admission the citizens can do it better! Actual shots fired by bad guys and good guys able to intervene without themselves shooting? Considering the ample examples of cops using deadly force in far less dangerous situations, that would be almost unheard of for them. I for one would much rather this be the norm than police intervention.
 
How can they let these people out on bail for a measly $25-50K, an amount even most small time drug dealers can afford? They can't prove these animals are a threat to society? This could have ended up so bad for innocent people walking in the mall.

They like to harass and scare us law abiding citizens about gun laws but these punks are let out on bail after shooting each other with no regard for innocent life like they're in the wild west.
 
These guys won't have to buy their own beer or dinner out for a long time.

I think what they did was the right thing to do.
 
if the story is accurate and this was a shootout between two groups of drug dealers, then the CCW's fired upon a target that wasn't engaging them. of course the story could be wildly off. hopefully the CCW folks perceived threat against themselves before engaging. but if it's just to be a good samaritan, sorry I find that straight dumb.

I write this from South Carolina where if I intervene on another person's behalf, their right to self defense must be perfect, otherwise I am in deep guano. That means they did nothing to start or escalate the conflict.

These guys are lucky they are in Maine and not just about anywhere else, especially the People's Republic.
 
Of course they don't recommend "citizens" do law enforcements job for them, it would be an admission of their jobs not being as important or necessary. In this case, it would almost be an admission the citizens can do it better! Actual shots fired by bad guys and good guys able to intervene without themselves shooting? Considering the ample examples of cops using deadly force in far less dangerous situations, that would be almost unheard of for them. I for one would much rather this be the norm than police intervention.

Are you for real? There's a place like that you know. Mozambique, most of the Middle East nowadays to name two. I don't see many people running that way. Maybe it's just me?
 
I heard the wife on Howie Carr. I didn't catch the whole story is that they observed a fight 2 vs. 2 and multiple shots rang out. Her husband jumped out of his car with gun drawn in an effort to protect the 2 people he thought were victims. Another guy named Ian showed up gun in hand and assisted. Perps gun was dropped and mag popped out. Husband stood with foot on gun for 7 minutes until cops arrived. Turned out is was a fight during drug deal gone bad or some such thing...

Guy jumped out of car leaving wife, 17 yo daughter and 7 yo son in car in immediate area of the fight. I think I would have played it differently.........Like driving away to get my family away from some dirt bags slugging it out?
 
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Are you for real? There's a place like that you know. Mozambique, most of the Middle East nowadays to name two. I don't see many people running that way. Maybe it's just me?

The old "move to Somalia" argument, that holds no water. Either your understanding of geopolitics in those regions is non-existent or your understanding of libertarian values (or any position of less government) is.

But you know, instead of just being condescending and pointing out your ignorance without any attempt to educate, I won't do that this time.

Libertarianism isn't anarchy, and Somalia isn't stateless. Both are highly relevant to why your position is without merit.

First

Believing that individuals can be responsible and active members of the community and keeping of the peace is not the same as in believing in no government whatsoever. As this very example shows, people other than cops can very much handle active situations on their own. And cops can come in later and make arrests. Yes, I am for real. Why should a situation like this be looked at as anything besides positive in regards to the individuals who intervened successfully? The common people working together with state agents seemed to be quite effective here, no?

Second:

Somalia isn't some free market libertarian haven. It isn't even stateless. It has a bunch of ruthless gangs all vying to be the State. Somalia was an impoverished and chaotic country when it had a communist/socialist government, and remains one after it's collapse. It holds literally none of the features of a libertarian society. In fact it holds very little of an anarchist one either. It's also a Muslim country. The ideology of Islam has very little consistent with a free society.

So next time you think about using the tired and wildly ridiculous argument of "just move to Somalia", maybe you can stop and think about using a meaningful argument instead.
 
Having a shootout in a public parking lot is dangerous for more people than just the people involved. You guys seriously think just letting drug dealers shoot it out in public is okay and no intervention should ever be necessary? So when an innocent shopper gets struck and killed, too bad for them? Wowzers.
I would only intervene if children's lives were in danger.
 
Nuts... some people got 'em. Some don't.

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The police came about to protect criminals from the citizenry, not the other way around. It's an extension of the due process for criminal suspects guaranteed in the Constitution. Citizens used to not only police their community, often they would decide on guilt and then proceed to punishment.

In this case, based on what ccm75 wrote, it seems that the husband jumped out of the car thinking that he was protecting an innocent victim. Laudable, but it just proves that you should really know what's going on before committing to a course of action.

And to those that have excuses of why they would not intervene is why we have the police today that you hate for doing what they do, even when it is right. So folks you can not have it both ways. The police came about because the citizens stopped being citizens and stopped policing their own communities.
 
Charged in connection with the incident were:

• Kwiesha “Reggie” McBride of Harlem, New York, charged with reckless conduct with a firearm, Class C, and aggravated trafficking in drugs (heroin), Class B. His bail was set at $50,000.

• Frankie Dejesus of Rochester, New York, charged with reckless conduct with a firearm, Class C, and aggravated assault, Class B. His bail was set at $25,000.

• Diana Davis of Rochester, New York, charged with aggravated assault, Class B. Her bail was set at $5,000.

• Samantha Tupper, of Augusta, charged with probation violation and furnishing drugs (heroin), Class B. She was held without bail.

The affidavit says Tupper had been driving a Ford Taurus to Wal-Mart when she picked up McBride on Mount Vernon Avenue, and that a silver Volkswagen with Dejesus driving and three women passengers approached them there. Two of the women got into Tupper’s vehicle, and both vehicles went to Wal-Mart, parking side by side, and all the people got out.

Wastella said McBride, Tupper, Dejesus and Davis argued, and that some were telling Davis to stop.

McBride said he and Tupper got back into the Taurus when “he observed Dejesus point a handgun out the driver’s side of his vehicle at him. McBride stated in fear of being shot, McBride drew his handgun and began firing at Dejesus,” Wastella wrote. Dejesus told police McBride pulled the gun first and began shooting, so Dejesus fired back.

Wastella said McBride got out of the car once the shooting stopped and began fighting with Dejesus and Davis, with the two beating on McBride. Tupper told police Dejesus hit McBride with the butt of a gun while Davis held him.

Dejesus told police he and Davis fought with McBride in self-defense, Wastella wrote.

Tupper and McBride then drove away, and police later found them at Tupper’s residence on Mayflower Road.

And

ail for McBride was continued at $50,000 with conditions that prohibit him from possessing weapons and illegal drugs and from contact with co-defendants.

He told the judge he intended to hire an attorney to represent him, but that he had yet to talk to anyone about it since he had just arrived at the jail.Towne, also representing McBride, said McBride requested bail be set at $5,000 cash.

Cavanaugh argued against lowering it, saying authorities have been unable to confirm McBride’s identity, coming up blank when running the address, Social Security number and date of birth that McBride provided.

“As I stand here today, I don’t know that this person is who he says he is,” Cavanaugh said, adding that results from fingerprints taken at the jail have yet to be returned.

Later, Cavanaugh described the heroin police found on McBride as “a block of heroin, not powder.”

Cavanaugh raised similar identity concerns about Dejesus as well in successfully arguing for Mullen to keep bail for Dejesus at $25,000.

All three defendants are scheduled for hearings in October.

Hard to believe this gal has a heroin problem. She's 24.
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