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Armalite shoots self in foot.
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Here is what a company rep had to say about it (for better or worse).
http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_2_27/232645_Armalite__I_have_spent_several_thousand_dollars_on_your_products_over_the_years__and_I_want_to_ask__.html&page=3
"This was a knee-jerk response to an overwhelming load of the same email received this morning.
It is in no way the current position of the state of ArmaLite itself."
James
http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_2_27/232645_Armalite__I_have_spent_several_thousand_dollars_on_your_products_over_the_years__and_I_want_to_ask__.html&page=3
"This was a knee-jerk response to an overwhelming load of the same email received this morning.
It is in no way the current position of the state of ArmaLite itself."
James
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Being the manufacturer, they should learn to spell "Manufacturer."
/grammar nazi
/grammar nazi
If he's a sales rep, then he is missing a very important piece of knowledge:
"Customers can be a pain in the ass, but they're really good for business."
"Customers can be a pain in the ass, but they're really good for business."
Me thinks way to many people spend to much time in front of a computer if they get all but hurt about this.
He has got to be about the dumbest "sales rep" in the history of that profession, and that's saying a lot!!!
Bitching to your customers, not good sales technique. Blowing up in frustration, in an email no less... Juvenile and unprofessional.
Emails come back to kill you, if your not smart enough to keep your shit together while writing one, your not very forward thinking.
Bitching to your customers, not good sales technique. Blowing up in frustration, in an email no less... Juvenile and unprofessional.
Emails come back to kill you, if your not smart enough to keep your shit together while writing one, your not very forward thinking.
Or this" "I wish I had a hundred customers like you. Unfortunately, I have a thousand."
Armalite's official response is just as damning as the original. I cant link it right now, but to paraphase: Armalite believes individual LEOs are more entitled to the 2nd Amendment than us commoners. The response is on AR15 under Armalite's industry page. They are still getting shit for it.
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Love Armalite's "Animal Farm" like response. When I start building an AR-10, they are off the list.
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Thanks for posting this email. I just received a concerned telephone call about it, an email from the staffer who stimulated the mail.
I think a bit of clarification is in order.
The root of the matter is a HUGE series of inquiries by both email and telephone asking ArmaLite to cut off sales to New York and other states which deny its citizens the right to own our rifles, as several other firms have done. Some of the contacts have been duplicates of others and some were so redundant that they appeared to be spam. Many of them have been rude and I'm afraid one of my staffers thought that he was responding to a spammer and was more terse than he should have been. Once he realized what happened he came to me and apologized.
My purpose here is to pass on his apology from the corporate level and to answer the initial question: What is ArmaLite going to do?
ArmaLite is continuing a policy put into place when California first banned our rifles. That policy remains:
1. We will not sell to those states which deny it's honorable citizens the right to own ArmaLite's.
2. We do not halt sales to individual officers even in problematic states. I am a former Police Officer myself, and the staffer who stimulated the recent anger is a currently serving one. We are well familiar with the fact that most rifles serving Police Officers are purchased by the officers themselves, and that they shouldn't be punished for the actions of their political elite.
We consider sales to those sate subdivisions which are not engaged or potentially engaged with disarming its citizens. DNR and Forestry Departments, for instance, sometimes serve in remote areas that conceal drug farms and their officers deserve good hardware.
3. We will not sell to those lower political subdivisions that deny their honorable citizens the right to own ArmaLite's. Chicago, for instance, prohibits its citizens from owning ArmaLite's within the city limits so we make no effort to sell into that city. We have many friends on the Chicago Police Department and have continued to sell to them individually.
Our observation is that most County Sheriffs disagree with banning sales of our rifles and many publicly refuse to enforce such laws. We sell to those departments and to their Deputies, but will not sell to those County departments headed by Sheriffs who would deny their citizens the same rights.
In short, Americans need not worry that ArmaLite is selling to those who betray them.
As you can see by reading posts on the topic, some readers have been harsh with their criticism of ArmaLite. It was in response to this atmosphere that my staffer reacted harshly. He's come to me and apologized and I personally am passing my own apology along with his.
But don't be mistaken, ArmaLite is strongly involved with both personal, corporate, and political efforts at the State, National, and International level to protect our civil rights. And we'll continue to support your shooting needs as the situation moves forward.
Respectfully,
Mark Westrom
President,
ArmaLite Inc.
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Posted: Today 3:44:31 PM
Thanks for posting this email. I just received a concerned telephone call about it, an email from the staffer who stimulated the mail.
I think a bit of clarification is in order.
The root of the matter is a HUGE series of inquiries by both email and telephone asking ArmaLite to cut off sales to New York and other states which deny its citizens the right to own our rifles, as several other firms have done. Some of the contacts have been duplicates of others and some were so redundant that they appeared to be spam. Many of them have been rude and I'm afraid one of my staffers thought that he was responding to a spammer and was more terse than he should have been. Once he realized what happened he came to me and apologized.
My purpose here is to pass on his apology from the corporate level and to answer the initial question: What is ArmaLite going to do?
ArmaLite is continuing a policy put into place when California first banned our rifles. That policy remains:
1. We will not sell to those states which deny it's honorable citizens the right to own ArmaLite's.
2. We do not halt sales to individual officers even in problematic states. I am a former Police Officer myself, and the staffer who stimulated the recent anger is a currently serving one. We are well familiar with the fact that most rifles serving Police Officers are purchased by the officers themselves, and that they shouldn't be punished for the actions of their political elite.
We consider sales to those sate subdivisions which are not engaged or potentially engaged with disarming its citizens. DNR and Forestry Departments, for instance, sometimes serve in remote areas that conceal drug farms and their officers deserve good hardware.
3. We will not sell to those lower political subdivisions that deny their honorable citizens the right to own ArmaLite's. Chicago, for instance, prohibits its citizens from owning ArmaLite's within the city limits so we make no effort to sell into that city. We have many friends on the Chicago Police Department and have continued to sell to them individually.
Our observation is that most County Sheriffs disagree with banning sales of our rifles and many publicly refuse to enforce such laws. We sell to those departments and to their Deputies, but will not sell to those County departments headed by Sheriffs who would deny their citizens the same rights.
In short, Americans need not worry that ArmaLite is selling to those who betray them.
As you can see by reading posts on the topic, some readers have been harsh with their criticism of ArmaLite. It was in response to this atmosphere that my staffer reacted harshly. He's come to me and apologized and I personally am passing my own apology along with his.
But don't be mistaken, ArmaLite is strongly involved with both personal, corporate, and political efforts at the State, National, and International level to protect our civil rights. And we'll continue to support your shooting needs as the situation moves forward.
Respectfully,
Mark Westrom
President,
ArmaLite Inc.
AR stands for ArmaLite
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Posted: Today 3:44:31 PM
Thanks for posting this email. I just received a concerned telephone call about it, an email from the staffer who stimulated the mail.
I think a bit of clarification is in order.
The root of the matter is a HUGE series of inquiries by both email and telephone asking ArmaLite to cut off sales to New York and other states which deny its citizens the right to own our rifles, as several other firms have done. Some of the contacts have been duplicates of others and some were so redundant that they appeared to be spam. Many of them have been rude and I'm afraid one of my staffers thought that he was responding to a spammer and was more terse than he should have been. Once he realized what happened he came to me and apologized.
My purpose here is to pass on his apology from the corporate level and to answer the initial question: What is ArmaLite going to do?
ArmaLite is continuing a policy put into place when California first banned our rifles. That policy remains:
1. We will not sell to those states which deny it's honorable citizens the right to own ArmaLite's.
2. We do not halt sales to individual officers even in problematic states. I am a former Police Officer myself, and the staffer who stimulated the recent anger is a currently serving one. We are well familiar with the fact that most rifles serving Police Officers are purchased by the officers themselves, and that they shouldn't be punished for the actions of their political elite.
We consider sales to those sate subdivisions which are not engaged or potentially engaged with disarming its citizens. DNR and Forestry Departments, for instance, sometimes serve in remote areas that conceal drug farms and their officers deserve good hardware.
3. We will not sell to those lower political subdivisions that deny their honorable citizens the right to own ArmaLite's. Chicago, for instance, prohibits its citizens from owning ArmaLite's within the city limits so we make no effort to sell into that city. We have many friends on the Chicago Police Department and have continued to sell to them individually.
Our observation is that most County Sheriffs disagree with banning sales of our rifles and many publicly refuse to enforce such laws. We sell to those departments and to their Deputies, but will not sell to those County departments headed by Sheriffs who would deny their citizens the same rights.
In short, Americans need not worry that ArmaLite is selling to those who betray them.
As you can see by reading posts on the topic, some readers have been harsh with their criticism of ArmaLite. It was in response to this atmosphere that my staffer reacted harshly. He's come to me and apologized and I personally am passing my own apology along with his.
But don't be mistaken, ArmaLite is strongly involved with both personal, corporate, and political efforts at the State, National, and International level to protect our civil rights. And we'll continue to support your shooting needs as the situation moves forward.
Respectfully,
Mark Westrom
President,
ArmaLite Inc.
AR stands for ArmaLite
ok, so they won't do civilian sales to places where prohibited by law and only sell to LE where law allows. Ok, he is saying that they will follow the law. ![[rolleyes]](/xen/styles/default/xenforo/smilies.vb/042.gif "Roll Eyes [rolleyes]")
Mark needs a serious wedgie of his pinko thong, who knew that a commie would be making ARs?
Mark needs a serious wedgie of his pinko thong, who knew that a commie would be making ARs?
**** armalite...in the ear, and in the other ear!
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So, they're a**h***s because they sell guns to government agencies that prohibit citizens from owning their guns, but now that it turns out they DON'T sell guns to such agencies, they're a**h***s?
are we reading the same text:
I wander how many dollar bills it would take for him to shove his rifle up his a**h*** until the LE-only barrel comes out from the other end.
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No they are a**h***s because they sell to individual LEOs who private purchase OUTSIDE their subdivisions because of their elite LEO status, while still not selling to the commoners.
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You have to read the entire response. No, they are still a**h***s because they sell guns to individuals of those same agencies and prohibit citizens from owning the same guns. So in effect they are selling guns to such agencies, just not directly. See his second response on AR15.com.
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