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AR15 Lower Transfer - MA to RI - Question

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I've been researching this on NES and I'm coming up with conflicting info. I have an AR lower, complete with FCG and an A2 buttstock. The lower has never been assembled as a rifle and has never been FA10'd in MA. I want to sell this to a RI resident.

I know that at some point this will have to go through an FFL. My question is this: can the buyer meet me at an FFL in MA and do the transfer? In OTW, the same way that one would buy a long gun out of state? I'm pretty sure that if I was selling him a complete rifle it could be done this way, but I'm reading conflicting posts about just the lower.

I suspect that I'm going to have to ship it to a RI FFL, but just wanted to verify. Any help would be appreciated.

ETA: Hadn't thought of this before, but could I bring the lower into RI and do the transfer at an FFL there?
 
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No, since MA passed the Simons Rock Law that prohibits ANY NR (even with a NR LTC) from buying any long guns or ammo in MA!!

Fed Law declared lowers (incomplete rifles, even if it has a stock on it) as "other" and demands that FFLs transfer them the same way as handguns . . . meaning ONLY via an FFL in the new owner's state.

Therefore, it must go thru a RI FFL in this case.
 

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No, since MA passed the Simons Rock Law that prohibits ANY NR (even with a NR LTC) from buying any long guns or ammo in MA!!

Fed Law declared lowers (incomplete rifles, even if it has a stock on it) as "other" and demands that FFLs transfer them the same way as handguns . . . meaning ONLY via an FFL in the new owner's state.

Therefore, it must go thru a RI FFL in this case.

Thanks, Len. I was afraid that would be the case, and it's what I told the buyer. I wanted to check to make sure I was correct. Now to find out if the FFL he wants to use will accept shipment from a non-FFL holder.

This is one of the few times when transferring to another MA resident is simple. Maybe I can talk him into moving into the PRM. [laugh]
 
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A little thread drift. I'm a novice with AR's. So I'm building my knowledge base there.

Do any individual parts of AR's qualify as a firearm? If one were to build one in a free state or MA, what if any parts are going to be background checked, etc.
 

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A frame (lower for AR) is a gun per Fed Law and thus has to go thru an FFL. All other parts of an AR-15 are NOT controlled parts and can be ordered/possessed by anyone and shipped to your home.
 
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A frame (lower for AR) is a gun per Fed Law and thus has to go thru an FFL. All other parts of an AR-15 are NOT controlled parts and can be ordered/possessed by anyone and shipped to your home.

Thanks. Where the lower needs to go through a FFL. Two things. First I would like to not have a MA neutered AR. I would not be shooting the AR in MA, I would be shooting it in VT and NH. Say I bought a complete lower with an adjustable stock. Would a FFL in MA either sell that or accept it in for a transfer from an online seller? I know that would put it in violation of the MA law if it's an assembled gun. But would it be in violation just as a lower with the adjustable stock?

Also, what if I were to bring the parts back into the state, a lower with an adjustable stock and an upper with the exrtra's but they were separate and in different cases for transport and stored separately at home. I would not assemble or shoot the AR in MA.

These freakin' laws are such a mess, I get a headache trying to figure them out.

Thanks.
 

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If you have enough parts to make a gun (or off an existing AR), you have constructive possession of an illegal AW and if caught could be royally screwed.

Buy a bare lower in MA, take it to VT/NH and build it up however you like. You just have to leave it out of state, it can never cross the MA state line in AW configuration.
 
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Thanks. Where the lower needs to go through a FFL. Two things. First I would like to not have a MA neutered AR. I would not be shooting the AR in MA, I would be shooting it in VT and NH. Say I bought a complete lower with an adjustable stock. Would a FFL in MA either sell that or accept it in for a transfer from an online seller? I know that would put it in violation of the MA law if it's an assembled gun. But would it be in violation just as a lower with the adjustable stock?

Also, what if I were to bring the parts back into the state, a lower with an adjustable stock and an upper with the exrtra's but they were separate and in different cases for transport and stored separately at home. I would not assemble or shoot the AR in MA.

These freakin' laws are such a mess, I get a headache trying to figure them out.
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Thanks.

Well I am a newly registered member who wanted to post a reply to your "transfer of a lower" question. Let me first give you some facts. I am a seller in Florida who recently sold a complete lower with pistol grip and adjustable stock to a Massachusetts buyer through Gunbroker. Buyer paid quickly and gave me the ffl info. I packaged the item contacted the ffl letting him know I would ship within 48 hours. Being the cautious seller that I am checked him on ezcheck verified he was active/address etc and went ahead and shipped to the address given which also matched the atf address on file. So about a week goes buy and the buyer emails me and says the ffl needs me to fax my ffl info asap. I replied I am an individual seller and told him so when I contacted him after he won the auction. Well to make a long story short I contacted the ffl and he proceeded to give me the 3rd degree. He tells me what am I doing sending a lower to a "ban state". I have committed a "felony" and that just ticks him off that people go on Gunbroker like its Ebay selling guns to whoever whenever. Mind you this is a Massachusetts ffl. Now I am not ignorant of the federal law and I realize state laws do vary but have sold dozens of lowers to many different states. But to be quite honest after talking to him for about 10 minutes I started to wonder that maybe after what was going on with the bombing and all that just maybe he was just a little gun shy and maybe he's just trying to be cautious I mean after all its his perrogative whether or not he does the transfer. But then he tells me now he is in a major predicament and cannot just send the lower back to me. He is going to have to contact the ATF to see what they will suggest. I got to tell you I lost a little sleep over this one waiting for his call back. So I get on this website and read for hours and finally conclude that I can sell a lower to a buyer through an MA ffl as long as it is not a complete weapon capable of firing a round down range. Now maybe the stock and grip is questionable but to tell me I am breaking the law? So I guess what I am trying to say is I tried to accommodate a MA buyer within the bounds of the law and had such a horrible experience doing so that I promised myself I would never ship another AR lower to MA. I can understand how frustrating it can be on your end but with ill informed ffl's making threats of legal actions I can see now why few sellers are willing to ship to MA.
 

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xd45, you are correct and the ignorance of FFLs knows no bounds. Sorry you had to undergo that unjust aggravation and can't blame you for your decision.
 
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