AR pistol with fixed Mag? (In mass )

[Wildweasel]

So if I read and comprehend the AWB right if I get one of the lowers with the fixed ten round mags,
(PaperCity or Eddie Coyle type receiver) I am good to go with a normal AR pistol build right? No worries about the 50 oz rule or flash hider for that matter. (Of course it has to be a virgin lower not ever assembled into a rifle yada yada. )

Just something I was pondering. (not sure I will do it here in mass as I would rather wait until I move to NH. )

 

[Qjake17]

Building one now, sources say it does not fall within the AWB. Interested what others here have to say.

 

[Shawnyc]

I'm assuming you are talking about using an upper less than 16 inches and using a brace in lieu of a stock?

 

[Michael J. Spangler]

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[Qjake17]

I'm assuming you are talking about using an upper less than 16 inches and using a brace in lieu of a stock?

Yup, 7.5 upper with a Sig brace.

 

[Wildweasel]

Well that part is clear they have to accept a removable mag. where these don't it won't apply.

 

[Frizzle Fry]

I'd make sure you make your own lower, or use a virgin lower, and not use one that was ever configured to accept detachable magazines.

 

[Wildweasel]

Paper city firearms in holyoke has lowers for sale (no buffer tube or stock) that should fit the bill, Fixed ten round mag. Or I have some 0% sitting in a drawer.

 

[Qjake17]

Yes will be a new as manufactured 10 rd fixed mag lower.

 

[gxx9sdb]

If people are going to fix a mag, why not a pre ban 30 round?

 

[Qjake17]

Max 10 round pistol in Mass, any more and you fall under the AWB.

 

[Shawnyc]

Yup, 7.5 upper with a Sig brace.

In that case I believe it is fine. I was curious about this about a year ago (I even started a thread about it). Ultimately I ended SBRing my lower.

 

[TomMontana]

Good workaround, but seems to be too many concessions with it. Probably prudent to print out the MGL/AWB and keep it near the pistol in case you get into trouble and get questioned on it. Even then, it would probably be a stretch for most to understand why you don't need a stamp for it.

 

[CrackPot]

Max 10 round pistol in Mass, any more and you fall under the AWB.

max 10 round or its a large capacity firearm. That is very different than the AWB

 

[Qjake17]

max 10 round or its a large capacity firearm. That is very different than the AWB

Yes absolutely my mistake. I had detachable magazine in my head. Thanks!

 

[Frizzle Fry]

IANAL but my lawyer suggested not affixing pre ban large-capicity feeding devices, so I've gone 10rd on my pistols and rifles.

 

[CrackPot]

IANAL but my lawyer suggested not affixing pre ban large-capicity feeding devices, so I've gone 10rd on my pistols and rifles.

Correct. While the magazine might be pre-ban, when it is "permanently" affixed to the lower and a complete rifle/pistol is made, you have now manufactured a NEW high capacity rifle/pistol with a high capacity feeding device. That would be illegal unless you are exempt (dealer or LEO).

The most common question I get about the fixed magazine AR-Style rifles I build and sell is whether I would affix a pre-ban. NO, for the reason above.

 

[Matt-CZ]

Paper city firearms in holyoke has lowers for sale (no buffer tube or stock) that should fit the bill, Fixed ten round mag. Or I have some 0% sitting in a drawer.

Any idea on price of these fixed mag lowers?

 

[Wildweasel]

PCF15 5.56 10 RD Lower Receiver $325 they are on sale for fathers day. this includes the FCG + Bolt hold open, no buffer tube or stock.

 

[Yankee Clipper]

Since Im going to be doing the same using a fixed-mag lower can someone shed some light on how these would be EFA-10'd once they are able to fire a projectile. If you'd like to PM me instead of discussing it openly I am fine with that too.

 

[CrackPot]

Since Im going to be doing the same using a fixed-mag lower can someone shed some light on how these would be EFA-10'd once they are able to fire a projectile. If you'd like to PM me instead of discussing it openly I am fine with that too.

If the barrel is under 16” then you register it as a pistol. It’s a pistol. It’s not an AW since the magazine is fixed. Seems to be the point of the exercise...

 

[Yankee Clipper]

If the barrel is under 16” then you register it as a pistol. It’s a pistol. It’s not an AW since the magazine is fixed. Seems to be the point of the exercise...

I understand that but would these technically be large capacity or no?

 

[jayhitek]

Didn't the say the fixed mag is only 10 rounds?
The would not be large capacity..

Curious what the real answer is.

 

[CrackPot]

I understand that but would these technically be large capacity or no?

10rd mag so not large capacity. You can't pin a pre-ban magazine or any other high capacity magazine since you would be making a NEW high capacity firearm.

 

[amm5061]

10rd mag so not large capacity. You can't pin a pre-ban magazine or any other high capacity magazine since you would be making a NEW high capacity firearm.

This. Also, make sure you put a pistol buffer tube on it. Don't wanna stray into SBR territory.

 

[Viper22]

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[Derek33]

Are bullet buttons no longer a form of a “fixed magazine”

 

[mlaboss]

Are bullet buttons no longer a form of a “fixed magazine”

Bullet buttons were only ever a thing in California, where they were ruled that the magazine was fixed because they required a tool to remove it. A new law was passed in CA to remove that "loophole", so bullet buttons aren't a thing in CA any more.

As far as I am aware, no regulation or court ruling has established whether a bullet button-equipped AR would be considered as having "the ability to accept a detachable magazine" in MA, and nobody wants to be the test case.

 

[Wildweasel]

Mean arms has a MA Lock that locks the mag release. (no spring and no movement, the bolt head breaks off making it permanent) You could still remove it by machining,
I know one vendor in mass (the shop on the cape that is advertising them here (being fixed mag lowers) uses them.
I am leaning toward the MA Lock and a blind pin method. (less chance of getting in legal issues. ) You can get a stripped magpul mag out of the MAlock But not easily,
(you risk breaking the mag. )

MA Lock | Mean Arms

 

[Yankee Clipper]

I am leaning toward the MA Lock and a blind pin method. (less chance of getting in legal issues. )

The lower that I have currently getting built into a pistol has a blind pin.