Applying for an LTC or FID in Greenfield, MA

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This is going to be a tough one, and I've read through the forums for similar situations to get a feel for the whole thing.
 
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This is going to be a tough one, and I've read through the forums for similar situations to get a feel for the whole thing.

Problems with applying:

CWOF in 2008 for A&B with a dangerous weapon, 6 months probation and dismissed. I realize a CWOF can be interpreted as a conviction by some licensing officers.

I actually took the basic safety course right near when probation ended. I'd love to get a copy of my CORI, but I'd hate to pay the BS $25 to for sure verify the whole thing.

I know most of you will say get a lawyer, but I'm not going to do that. It simply costs too much money, and if I'm in doubt I'm just going to apply for the FID since I really just want a repeating rifle like a Winchester or Henry anyway.

Does anyone have any relatively current info on Greenfield? And is it true that you can apply for it in any town, despite where you live? I've been told this by police officers but I'm not sure if I believe it.

Believe very little in regard to what most police officers tell you with regard to gun laws in Mass. Judges, attorneys, police officers simply don't know much of the time, the laws are that complicated and poorly written. On this one though, the law is pretty clear: you can only apply in a town that you live in, or in a town where you have a business.

You are trying to do things on the cheap, and frankly I cannot see anyway around it. I suppose it all depends on your priorities and how badly you want an FID, because I really think you are going to have to pay someone to get the proper advice.
 
Believe very little in regard to what most police officers tell you with regard to gun laws in Mass. Judges, attorneys, police officers simply don't know much of the time, the laws are that complicated and poorly written. On this one though, the law is pretty clear: you can only apply in a town that you live in, or in a town where you have a business.

You are trying to do things on the cheap, and frankly I cannot see anyway around it. I suppose it all depends on your priorities and how badly you want an FID, because I really think you are going to have to pay someone to get the proper advice.

Yeah, I wouldn't take most officers at their word on this either. My girlfriend got an unrestricted Class A in a small town where anyone is given one apparently, hence why I asked.

I'm okay with an FID, but if I apply for a Class A, and am denied for that and a Class B, will they give an FID as the last resort? Or would I have to apply a second time for the FID? This state is so backwards and confusing with this stuff.

I mean in researching the CWOF, before they enacted the changes in 2010, apparently it would have come up as a convicition despite my lawyer insisting I would be apply to say I didn't have a conviction. I had a CORI check done for my current job and there were no issues in December 2010, so I'm not even 100% sure that's what it was.

I guess getting a copy of my CORI would be best, I just despise spending money to get something like that.
 
A CORI check and what police see on a background check for a firearms app are two very different things. The CORI won't show the CWOF but the police will see it when they run your info. The FID is shall issue so unless you are disqualified by statute (which you're not) they must issue it. I'd still apply for a class A ALP. If they feel that you're not suitable they'll restrict you or downgrade. I wouldn't get a lawyer. IMO they can't do much in this situation except tell you to fully disclose everything on the app. I'll take you 300.00 per hour and tell you the same if you like.....
 
Thanks for the response Rick. I guess my biggest concern if being denied the A/B, and wondering if they would issue an FID if that's the case. I don't know if they do that. I just want to call the guy and ask straight out if he would issue it so I can avoid the hassle. I'm going to disclose the information as best I remember it and obviously not hide a thing.

But then again I don't know if he'll tell me to just apply and find out and not want to deal with it before hand. I guess I'll just call him and see if he'll give me any info before I actually apply. I know my girlfriend's brother got only an FID for an old juvie charge, but I don't know if he was actually convicted.

Oh another question, for the references is there usually a restriction on who it can be (not family, etc.)? Also, what do they usually ask of the references? I'd rather not have them tell the references my charge as it's shameful enough to me that anyone even knows about it and that it happened.
 
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Thanks for the response Rick. I guess my biggest concern if being denied the A/B, and wondering if they would issue an FID if that's the case. I don't know if they do that. I just want to call the guy and ask straight out if he would issue it so I can avoid the hassle. I'm going to disclose the information as best I remember it and obviously not hide a thing.

But then again I don't know if he'll tell me to just apply and find out and not want to deal with it before hand. I guess I'll just call him and see if he'll give me any info before I actually apply. I know my girlfriend's brother got only an FID for an old juvie charge, but I don't know if he was actually convicted.

Oh another question, for the references is there usually a restriction on who it can be (not family, etc.)? Also, what do they usually ask of the references? I'd rather not have them tell the references my charge as it's shameful enough to me that anyone even knows about it and that it happened.


Definitely call and ask. I have a CWOF from my young and stupid days. I asked about it before applying and was told if it was in fact CWOF it's no problem. Give a call or stop in and see what you can find out.
 
I left a message with him, now I'll just wait for the call back. Hopefully my probation and when I took the class don't clash, because I don't remember if they do. I think it ended prior, but I'm not sure if that's even an issue.
 
Definitely call and ask. I have a CWOF from my young and stupid days. I asked about it before applying and was told if it was in fact CWOF it's no problem. Give a call or stop in and see what you can find out.

The problem with regard to the LTC becomes one of suitability. This is why I would suggest an attorney like Langer or Cohen who have dealt with this before and can suggest how to 'package" the information. Obviously Rick R. you dealt with this before and it was no problem, however, other persons mileage may vary. For various and sundry reasons I do not share your optimism, but in all fairness it worked for you. As it stands going to the local PD ahead of time may have and may still be a prudent course of action, one that I probably would have done were I in that position six or seven or ten years ago. Today I am a lot less trusting of the police to be helpful in any licensing situation. There have been simply too many horror stories on this Forum. In the end you may be correct, but the stakes here are pretty high.
 
The problem with regard to the LTC becomes one of suitability. This is why I would suggest an attorney like Langer or Cohen who have dealt with this before and can suggest how to 'package" the information. Obviously Rick R. you dealt with this before and it was no problem, however, other persons mileage may vary. For various and sundry reasons I do not share your optimism, but in all fairness it worked for you. As it stands going to the local PD ahead of time may have and may still be a prudent course of action, one that I probably would have done were I in that position six or seven or ten years ago. Today I am a lot less trusting of the police to be helpful in any licensing situation. There have been simply too many horror stories on this Forum. In the end you may be correct, but the stakes here are pretty high.

Eh, the lawyer thing would simply cost way too much money for me to swing. And if I'm denied, it's not that big of a deal, disheartening, but not world ending. I mean if I could go to prison for applying the stakes might be high, but as they are it would be a loss of a couple hundred dollars really.

I'm nearly positive I'd get an FID, I'm just trying to weigh the option of bothering to go for an A or B. If I got a B I wouldn't mind too much, I'm not planning on carrying it around on me since there's just too many issues with it in my mind.
 
I'll take you 300.00 per hour and tell you the same if you like.....


i'll only charge you $250.

But a cwof isn't a conviction. so its not a disqualifier. But its ultimately up to the licencing officer, he has final discretion. Apply for A, worst he can do is give you an FID.

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i'll only charge you $250.

But a cwof isn't a conviction. so its not a disqualifier. But its ultimately up to the licencing officer, he has final discretion. Apply for A, worst he can do is give you an FID.

Wrong! At least wrt MGLs. What a PD may or may not do is another story and unpredictable.

Here's how it is SUPPOSED to work:

- You apply, check the box for LTC-A, request unrestricted.
- PD can process it, deny on "suitability" when BG checks come back . . . or they could process as LTC-B.
- When they type the info into MIRCS, the PD is "planting a stake in the ground" wrt which type of LTC or FID, a LTC or FID number is assigned to it (even if end result is denial) and can't be changed afterwards.
- If denied for LTC-A or -B, they can NOT just issue an FID card. You would have to re-apply, new fee and then they could issue an FID.

As I stated above, they could run your BG, make a decision to refuse to issue LTC and advise you that they will change your application to FID and process it accordingly, but once it is processed with the state, they can't make that change.
 
Ah, I stand corrected then. Learn something new every day! Do you have the MGL handy?

What I stated is not in MGLs, it is from "internal info" as to how the MIRCS system works that I've gleaned from LE sources that use the system to process LTC applicants. [I am not implying that the way it works is a secret, just that the new system assigns a LTC/FID number to the application immediately and if denied that number is not re-used but remains in the system under a denied status.] I'm not sure that they even revised the CMRs to reflect the way that the system works now.
 
I think I'll just go for the FID for now, considering the situation and we'll see if I hear back from the issuing Lieutenant by next week. So far nothing.

I really want to ask if he'll accept my March 2009 Certificate for completing the course. I don't want to get rejected because he doesn't think it's new enough and lose my money.
 
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