Apply for an License to Sell Ammunition to avoid Marsha's stings?

[Reptile]

I think Masha is going to start ammo selling stings.
How about applying for a "License to Sell Ammunition"?
If denied, the state is breaking the law against lawful commerce.

Marsha wants people from selling guns without a license, too.

I'll take a firearms dealers license while I'm at it.

She says I need a license, well give me my license or leave alone.

https://www.mass.gov/files/2017-08/Firearms%20Dealer%20License%20to%20Sell%20Ammunition%20or%20Gunsmith%20License%20Application.pdf

 

[FalArAk]

I think Masha is going to start ammo selling stings.

I'm afraid to ask, but I will anyway.

What makes you say that ?

 

[Asaltweapon]

I'm afraid to ask, but I will anyway.

What makes you say that ?

PUI??

 

[FPrice]

I'm afraid to ask, but I will anyway.

What makes you say that ?

MASSACHUSETTS FIREARMS DEALER/LICENSE TO SELL AMMUNITION/GUNSMITH LICENSE APPLICATION (from the license application)

Why would you want to do this?

IF my reading of the whole situation is correct you would be declaring yourself as a business, would have to collect sales tax, and report your profit and loss from said business. and possibly make yourself subject to inspections from the state.

Chris, do you REALLY want to stir up that hornet's nest?

 

[Quantavious G]

MASSACHUSETTS FIREARMS DEALER/LICENSE TO SELL AMMUNITION/GUNSMITH LICENSE APPLICATION (from the license application)

Why would you want to do this?

IF my reading of the whole situation is correct you would be declaring yourself as a business, would have to collect sales tax, and report your profit and loss from said business. and possibly make yourself subject to inspections from the state.

Chris, do you REALLY want to stir up that hornet's nest?

excellent points

 

[Reptile]

I'm afraid to ask, but I will anyway.

What makes you say that ?

I think it would be a great new way for her to harass gun owners.

MASSACHUSETTS FIREARMS DEALER/LICENSE TO SELL AMMUNITION/GUNSMITH LICENSE APPLICATION (from the license application)

Why would you want to do this?

IF my reading of the whole situation is correct you would be declaring yourself as a business, would have to collect sales tax, and report your profit and loss from said business. and possibly make yourself subject to inspections from the state.

Chris, do you REALLY want to stir up that hornet's nest?

I make so little in taxable income that a couple extra grand in legit income would be worth the effort if I can avoid breaking the ammo selling law.

I'd like to sell some cases now in the hope that in a couple years the prices will come down and I can buy more back.

I think if you earn less than around $8,000 a year you don't owe any tax (after you file).

In fact the tax rate is negative because you get back more than was taken out of your taxes.

You only pay taxes on the profits after all your expenses.

So you could sell $20,000 worth of stuff and if you only have a 10% profit - you only pay tax on $2,000 of income.

 

[mothybee]

Don't know for sure but, believe you also need a store front in Mass.

 

[Buck F]

I think it would be a great new way for her to harass gun owners.

I make so little in taxable income that a couple extra grand in legit income would be worth the effort if I can avoid breaking the ammo selling law.

I'd like to sell some cases now in the hope that in a couple years the prices will come down and I can buy more back.

I think if you earn less than around $8,000 a year you don't owe any tax (after you file).

In fact the tax rate is negative because you get back more than was taken out of your taxes.

You only pay taxes on the profits after all your expenses.

So you could sell $20,000 worth of stuff and if you only have a 10% profit - you only pay tax on $2,000 of income.

You'll still need to collect/pay sales tax regardless of your personal income. Failing to do that will get you in more trouble than selling ammo private party.

 

[Deleted member 67409]

I'm afraid to ask, but I will anyway.

What makes you say that ?

 

[M125X]

Don't know for sure but, believe you also need a store front in Mass.

Can you still have a kitchen table FFL anywhere or are those days long gone?

 

[TrashcanDan]

Give an FFL at the Mill a call. There might be someone there with the lic you're looking for and could probably lay out all the pro's and cons of it.

I'd start with @EddieCoyle at Mass Reloading

 

[Mr. Brownstone]

Can you still have a kitchen table FFL anywhere or are those days long gone?

I believe kitchen table ffl can be had, if your business is focussed on internet sales. However, I believe MA dealers license requires commercial space.

 

[FPrice]

Give an FFL at the Mill a call. There might be someone there with the lic you're looking for and could probably lay out all the pro's and cons of it.

I'd start with @EddieCoyle at Mass Reloading

You beat me to this. But I was going to suggest that he look into renting space at the mill.

 

[07Mustang]

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[free]

I think it would be a great new way for her to harass gun owners.

I make so little in taxable income that a couple extra grand in legit income would be worth the effort if I can avoid breaking the ammo selling law.

I'd like to sell some cases now in the hope that in a couple years the prices will come down and I can buy more back.

I think if you earn less than around $8,000 a year you don't owe any tax (after you file).

In fact the tax rate is negative because you get back more than was taken out of your taxes.

You only pay taxes on the profits after all your expenses.

So you could sell $20,000 worth of stuff and if you only have a 10% profit - you only pay tax on $2,000 of income.

Best you stick to just finding and posting weird and interesting articles on here. That is your strength. That is your lot in life. Don’t think about things.

Thanks.

 

[moojpg2]

I think Maura has better things to do. That license is for people selling ammo as a business, "for profit" not for private individuals selling personal property to help pay their bills because they lost their job or are working reduced hours due to charlie fakers bullshit restrictions.

 

[Mtn_Guy]

Or try this...

$500 pack of gum for sale... buyer chooses flavor. Available: Spearmint, Peppermint, Wintergreen. Each pack of gum comes with free ammo (I’m all out of baseball cards).

 

[quinnjalan]

Can you still have a kitchen table FFL anywhere or are those days long gone?

If zoning is ok the AFT will give its blessing

 

[ProGun]

Probably easier to just move north across the border beyond reach of Herr Healy.

 

[FPrice]

Chris,

I think that the bottom line is that, if you are going to do it, do it ALL the way. Who knows, maybe if you like it you can get an FFL.

I can see it now,

"Reptile Arms".

 

[moojpg2]

Or try this...

$500 pack of gum for sale... buyer chooses flavor. Available: Spearmint, Peppermint, Wintergreen. Each pack of gum comes with free ammo (I’m all out of baseball cards).

would never work here someone would post a code chart giving it all away after about 3 days of that.

 

[quinnjalan]

To sell ammo in Comminchusetts....in short:
1. Get and FFL (see AFT and MA regs for rules).
2. Assuming you completed step 1....apply for MA Gun Dealer/Ammo Sales and Gunsmith License (Local PD where you have established your FFL in).
3. Assuming the state like you.....do the MA training.
4. If you got to step 3 you will get the MA Licenses.
5. See ammo.

 

[moojpg2]

To sell ammo in Comminchusetts....in short:
1. Get and FFL (see AFT and MA regs for rules).
2. Assuming you completed step 1....apply for MA Gun Dealer/Ammo Sales and Gunsmith License (Local PD where you have established your FFL in).
3. Assuming the state like you.....do the MA training.
4. If you got to step 3 you will get the MA Licenses.
5. See ammo.

yea if you want to make a business out of it. Selling/liquidating personal property for market value is not a business.

 

[The Edge Lab]

To sell ammo in Comminchusetts....in short:
1. Get and FFL (see AFT and MA regs for rules).
2. Assuming you completed step 1....apply for MA Gun Dealer/Ammo Sales and Gunsmith License (Local PD where you have established your FFL in).
3. Assuming the state like you.....do the MA training.
4. If you got to step 3 you will get the MA Licenses.
5. See ammo.

#2- I believe you only need an FFL-06 to manufacture and sell ammo. Is that correct?

 

[quinnjalan]

yea if you want to make a business out of it. Selling/liquidating personal property for market value is not a business.

my understanding is you can't get the MA Licenses without the FFL and you can't get the FFL if you are not in business. Meaning its not a hobby....

 

[quinnjalan]

#2- I believe you only need an FFL-06 to manufacture and sell ammo. Is that correct?

but can you get and 06 without zoning?

 

[Reptile]

yea if you want to make a business out of it. Selling/liquidating personal property for market value is not a business.

Well, isn't that interesting.

Are you saying I can sell my ammo without a FFL or IF I have a FFL - I could liquidate my ammo?

I'm definitely not in the ammo business - I just want to sell some off.

 

[Asaltweapon]

Well, isn't that interesting.

Are you saying I can sell my ammo without a FFL or IF I have a FFL - I could liquidate my ammo?

I'm definitely not in the ammo business - I just want to sell some off.

So just sell it.

 

[Deleted member 12999]

Jesus Christ. Just sell it without naval gazing

 

[Mtn_Guy]

I'm definitely not in the ammo business - I just want to sell some off.

I think the key is, you’re selling for profit... putting the FFL issue aside for a minute, there are IRS definitions for what constitutes a hobby and what is a business.

If you’re serious about your enterprise, it’s always best to consult an attorney and an accountant to make sure you have all of your ducks in a row.

You previously stated your intent — sell now for profit, to buy more later as prices (*hopefully*) return to ‘normal.’

What you’re suggesting, getting an FFL to be compliant with one aspect of the law, may expose you to other financial and legal liabilities (as others have suggested).

If you’re operating ‘for profit’ you’re engaged in some form of commerce and not as a ‘hobby.’ So best to set up a legal entity, and comply with all aspect of the law.