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"Are there guns in the house?"
"A f**k-damn arsenal, doc. Jebus Rice, you should see what we got over there!"
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Anyone with kids have their Doctor ask if there are guns in the house yet?
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"Are there guns in the house?"
"A f**k-damn arsenal, doc. Jebus Rice, you should see what we got over there!"
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Billsail
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No, and my suggestion is to simply lie. I would avoid snarky answers like "It's none of your business!" I know you're offended by the questioning, but if it offends you that much, switch doctors. Don't tell them the reason why, just switch. It makes no sense to turn it into a confrontation.
We have enough of an uphill battle ahead. Avoid the little skirmishes that will bog you down. They will either believe the lie, or not. What can they do?
Saying "none of your business" simply confirms you have guns. Otherwise, if it's important to you for your doctor, or anyone else for that matter, to know you're a gun owner, then by all means, tell them!
Rome learned this lession more than 1500 years ago. The Roman Empire tried to subjegate the Saxons and Celts in Britian by force. After taking such heavy losses that the value of the land no longer justified the cost to rule it, they built a wall to protect themselves. A few hundred years later, a different Roman Empire subjugated them without a war, by offering their children a free education. The erradicated the Saxon and Celtic cultures in 2 generations.
This thread is timely... apparently they asked the same question of my wife at my son's 1 year checkup a few weeks ago.
Me: "You said no, right?"
Her: "Actually I told them 'yes'."
Me: "WTF?!"
Her: "Then they asked if I felt safe. I replied of course I feel safe, we have guns in the house." (or something to that effect)
Not my desired response, but not too shabby either... I'm certainly not that quick.![[rofl]](/xen/styles/default/xenforo/smilies.vb/013.gif "ROFL [rofl]")
Me: "You said no, right?"
Her: "Actually I told them 'yes'."
Me: "WTF?!"
Her: "Then they asked if I felt safe. I replied of course I feel safe, we have guns in the house." (or something to that effect)
Not my desired response, but not too shabby either... I'm certainly not that quick.
My wife was asked by her primary care doctor in Falmouth. My wife responded with a a question and asked, "why don't you ask me if I wear my seatbelt or if my kids wear a seatbelt or what kind of car I drive or if it has a valid inspection sticker?" Then her response to the doctor on the guns in the house question, "Whether or not my husband and I have or don't have guns, has no bearing on our healthcare needs and frankly it is none of your business." Hoorah HONEY!!! Needless to say, we don't go to that primary physician any longer.
StevieP
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Q: Do you have guns in the house?
A: Why? What do you need?
Seriously - unless the doctor is checking me for lead poisoning, this line of questioning is out of the question. This is not a "health" question. They think they are making it into a "safety" issue, but I will not allow it.
I've worn camo to my doctor's office, and when we talk about exercise, I say how I walked a couple miles back and forth out to my tree stand. So I think he knows anyway...
A: Why? What do you need?
Seriously - unless the doctor is checking me for lead poisoning, this line of questioning is out of the question. This is not a "health" question. They think they are making it into a "safety" issue, but I will not allow it.
I've worn camo to my doctor's office, and when we talk about exercise, I say how I walked a couple miles back and forth out to my tree stand. So I think he knows anyway...
Garys
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My kids (now grown) learned early that it was nobody's business if we had guns in the house. I expect that my son will continue that with his kids. Of course he lives in the deep south so it's less of an issue.
OTOH, my primary care doctor asked me that same question a few years ago. I told him I did. He then asked if I kept them loaded. I told him that they would be of little use to me if they weren't loaded. That was the last time we discussed it. And no, I haven't changed doctors because he's a damned good one and there are a lot of idiots out ther with MD after their names.
I'm not sure that this sort of question really is a boundary violation. It would depend on how it was asked and more importantly what is done with the information. In the case of the OP, I think that you could make an argument that it is because the person he spoke with was proselytizing. If they responded with, "We'd like to give you some information on the safe storage of firearms.", it would be innocuous I think. If you're not interested, you just say so and that should be the end of it.
However if they started with "You should consider not having guns in the house.", that to me would be over the line.
To the OP: Who was it that called you?
bender73
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This issue has come up a lot lately. I have been practicing for over 10 years and have yet to ask the question randomly. No provider I know in the large practice I am at asks. My Pedi doc friends don't ask. I always ask about safety and if someone is suicidal, then I press about if they have a plan. Otherwise, I am not quite sure what a positive answer would lead me to do so I can't justify asking.
I do wish there was a tad bit more respect for my profession here though because docs and nurses are often bashed here for trying to do their job without evil motives towards gun owners.
I do wish there was a tad bit more respect for my profession here though because docs and nurses are often bashed here for trying to do their job without evil motives towards gun owners.
I tend to assume most medical professionals (especially in pediatrics) are TRYING to do good, so I'd probably just politely decline to answer, or say yes and explain that they are stored properly, etc, etc.
You guys keep forgetting that their are plenty of retarded gun owners out there who don't educate their children about guns and leave these loaded guns "hidden." Hence why a handful of kids end up accidently blowing their heads off or a friends head off every year. These kids with stupid parents may benefit from a doctor saying "yeah don't touch that." In your case, since you are presumably responsible, just decline to answer or politely re-assure them.
I don't think their is any malice or attempts to politicize the issue in 99% of these cases that members here bring up.
Mike
You guys keep forgetting that their are plenty of retarded gun owners out there who don't educate their children about guns and leave these loaded guns "hidden." Hence why a handful of kids end up accidently blowing their heads off or a friends head off every year. These kids with stupid parents may benefit from a doctor saying "yeah don't touch that." In your case, since you are presumably responsible, just decline to answer or politely re-assure them.
I don't think their is any malice or attempts to politicize the issue in 99% of these cases that members here bring up.
Mike
"I'm not sure that this sort of question really is a boundary violation. It would depend on how it was asked and more importantly what is done with the information. In the case of the OP, I think that you could make an argument that it is because the person he spoke with was proselytizing. If they responded with, "We'd like to give you some information on the safe storage of firearms.", it would be innocuous I think. If you're not interested, you just say so and that should be the end of it. "
The thing that drove me crazy was that they never offered any advice or "information." When I asked for it she said she did not have any to give me (to wit..it was BS). Re who called, it was my kid's doc and the mangr. partner of the practice. This is why I thought it was so out of line.
The thing that drove me crazy was that they never offered any advice or "information." When I asked for it she said she did not have any to give me (to wit..it was BS). Re who called, it was my kid's doc and the mangr. partner of the practice. This is why I thought it was so out of line.
Garys
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There is a small contingent who sees a conspiracy behind everything. Don't pay attention to it. I will say that in part some of your cohort make it worse because of the influence of the public health weenies. Every time I see a name tag that says "MD MPH" I think to myself that we'd all be better off if that said "MD MBA". Then doctors would have better idea of what the costs of medical care are and how to make the system better.
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This.
Garys
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In that case I think it might have been a boundary violation or at the very least outside the bounds of medical care. If they truly wanted to "educate kids" they would have NRA Eddie Eagle information there. However, if you suggested that, she'd probably wet herself.
bender73: Understood and I agree that docs are out to help for the most part. However, as a fellow professional, I felt it was way out of line and the fact that they would not respect my right as a parent to decide when to address the topic is beyond the pale. If it was a liability issue, which I don't think it is, a notation in the file that "parent does not want question X asked" should have been good enough. I even suggesgted that they ask the question without the child present and they refused.
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The nurse asked at our initial pediatrician visit. I lied and got on with life. It's a very easy tactic that kept my stress level down. Not sure why you'd want to get into it with your doctor about a checklist item on a form.
bender73
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Very true. And yes, there seems to be a lot of folks here that believe the whole world is plotting against them. That kind of creeps me out more than anything else. There really is no point in arguing with those particular members because everything said will be twisted in tin foil. LOL.
bender73
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I am not saying you are wrong. I believe most docs and nurses truly are trying to do what is best for others. I just don't ask because I own guns and if I asked, what next? Document it? Why? I bet there will be a move for more pediatricians to ask though. Not sure if that is a bad thing since there are a lot of irresponsible people out there. People here are a unique mix and more likely to be responsible enthusiasts. I see adults.
The medical profession is on a fishing expedition in pursuit of a political agenda. They are, in this sense, the same as the educational establishment, which is primarily the indoctrination arm. They are functioning as the prying eyes of the government to collect and report data that is beyond their rightful purview. Stick to evaluating the child's health. If there are signs of neglect or abuse, report it. Curious about what we do at home on on the weekends? None of your damned business. Want to hand out some "public health" literature? Fine. Leave it at that.
The NHS in the UK is already forwarding patients dietary, drinking and other habits to Nanny Central. We're not too far behind. You say the doc is only concerned about lead poisoning? In you kid? Is he at the range every weekend, or are you cleaning your brass in the dishwasher? There is no more moonbat-infested branch of the medical profession, BTW, than "Family Medicine". Cooperate with them at your peril.
The NHS in the UK is already forwarding patients dietary, drinking and other habits to Nanny Central. We're not too far behind. You say the doc is only concerned about lead poisoning? In you kid? Is he at the range every weekend, or are you cleaning your brass in the dishwasher? There is no more moonbat-infested branch of the medical profession, BTW, than "Family Medicine". Cooperate with them at your peril.
bender73
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You must be a conspiracy theorist. I wish my profession was so organized as to accomplish this. So you are saying that the Gov tells me what to ask and document? No. You are completely wrong. We all practice how we feel based on evidence-based medicine, studies, stats, and experience. Nobody tells me what to ask and report, with the exception of abuse. I am a mandatory reporter of abusive situations, not guns or what you choose to do on the weekend.
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My kids were both asked (age 9 &13) at their physicals. They were instructed to say "I don't know". If they were pressed, they were told to answer "I don't know how many there are besides MY (their own) pistol, rifle and shotgun" ![[wink]](/xen/styles/default/xenforo/smilies.vb/002.gif "Wink [wink]")
NB....they are only allowed use of them under very strict adult supervision, and either can quote the safety rules for an Appleseed by rote.
I think it is a boundary issue.
FWIW, they also asked about seat belt use, and the ubiquitous 'do you feel safe at home?' question. We had a discussion about it beforehand. My daughter repeated to us what was said above, she knows EXACTLY where she can get something to protect her is she doesn't feel safe on the few times she is home alone.
NB....they are only allowed use of them under very strict adult supervision, and either can quote the safety rules for an Appleseed by rote.
I think it is a boundary issue.
FWIW, they also asked about seat belt use, and the ubiquitous 'do you feel safe at home?' question. We had a discussion about it beforehand. My daughter repeated to us what was said above, she knows EXACTLY where she can get something to protect her is she doesn't feel safe on the few times she is home alone.
bender73
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Except when the parent is the abuser or incapable of caring for their child that shows signs of never seeing a bathtub and is covered with scabies, lice, and weighs less than 95% of the population. Children are quite honest, adults are not.
CRSIII
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bender73
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Absolutely class-less. Disrespectful.
I see 3,000+ people a year and do my very best. You know what? I help many people that are still on this planet because of me. I cannot afford to make ONE mistake. How is that for a job. No margin for error, ever. Grow up.
The American Academy of Pediatrics, and American Academy of Family Physicians, are as much a product of "the long march through the institutions" as Hollywood and the educational establishment. You'd be a fool to think otherwise. Thinking that your communications with your doctor are private and will remain so is foolish, as well. It's no conspiracy theory. It's a conspiracy, period.
Gidge
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QFT
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This.
Eugenics are the order of the day and have been for the past 100+ years. Nothing to see here move along.....
Respect has to be earned, my friend. Mercola, Natural News, and Dr. Douglass are On-The-Money -- these are not quacks (Yes, my M.D. dismisses them too -- probably for fear of losing his job) the drug-based theory of medicine is true quackery.
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If you see indications of neglect or abuse, you are required to report it. That's not quite the same as sniffing around in pursuit a an anti-gun agenda.
CRSIII
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Old saying, "If it doesn't apply, throw it away''.
But facts are facts.
If you do your best, good on you.
Reality sucks sometimes.
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