Any followers of the Alone TV show here?

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if you're unfamilar with the 1/2 million $ challenge, here's info. They've had 5 seasons, nobody's lasted 3 months, bunch of crybabies is all the producers will allow on the show. Out of 54 entrants, 2 have cut themselves with axes, two have been hurt in falls, one poisoned himself with bad water, one lady suffered an MS attack, several have wussed out over seeing a bear, or just bear scat. a whole bunch have given up in 2 weeks or less, after they found out that they couldn't even come close to feeding themselves. a couple quit over losing a ferrorod, even tho they had fires going at the time and could have kept them going, and used the ashes and charred wood to easily start other fires. they have had maybe 6-7 people, out of 54, who knew even the basics. The rest have been nothing more than office people, completely lost out there. They have to film everything that they do, which is a huge handicap. They are restricted to a few square miles of ground (which they dont get to pick) They get a lot of clothing, a couple of tarps, some safety gear provide to them, and they get to pick 10 items out of a short list of 50 or so items. No bugnetting or bug spray, no water filters or treatment, no guns, no xbows or airguns, no steel traps, no cable snares, no rods/reels, no artificial lures, no poison. a VERY small gill net is allowed (50 sq ft, 1.5" mesh. 25 fishhooks and 900 ft of monofilament line is allowed. A bow, slingbow, or slingshot is allowed, with 9 arrows and 20 "balls" of ammo for a slingshot. Rocks dont fly straight, so forget that bs.

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Cool ass show. I've watched a few seasons of it. Missed a couple...but some of these guys have mad skills...some have no place going out there. I think it was the last season, some chick with MS went out and was devastated when her MS flared up. She's one of those "diet fixes my MS types". The ones who go full on vegan and the like. Well...guess that didn't work out so well. A bit jaded some my wife suffers from it.

Then there are the folks who lose because they can't deal with the isolation on a mental level. It just effs them up and they drop.

Would LOVE to see how the one guy From Life Below Zero would cope. Dude lives out in the middle of the boonies most of the year and has huge survival skills.
 
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Mike has been the only one with even basic skills and he wussed-out pretty early, 6 weeks or so. They have no idea what to take or do. For instance, did any of them make a big wooden mortar and pestle, with a guide for the pestle, a long lever and fulcum, so that they could juice a lot of kelp as a carb source? No. Did any of them know to peel cambium even? One did, but he didn't know that you have to shred it, boil it, dump out the water, the fry or roast it before your body can digest it. Those two could provide 500-1000 calories per day of carbs, depending upon how much iodine and fiber your body can tolerate. They've all averaged losing at least 1/2 lb per day and most have lost a lb per day. None have realized that they can cut-tear up the 12x12 tarp and half of the 20x20 tarp and use the strips to make netting. Ditto unraveling a 2 person cotton rope hammock down to its smallest strands and them weaving netting out said strands. If they had the netting, none of them would know to use it as a couple of baited weirs and a seine, with which to push fish towards their weirs.

On a seacoast, which they have been , for 3 of the 5 seasons, you find an inlet, bait it, find a point across said inlet where it's 5 ft deep at high tide. When that time comes, stretch your seine across the mouth of the inlet. At low tide, every fish shoreward of your net, belongs to you. Might be 30 lbs or more of fish, every day, cause the tide comes in twice a day. Google says there's a mere 6 ft of diff in level of the tides, on Vancouver Island.
 
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In Mongolia, the shallow river would be perfect for stretching a seine across it, move upstream, stretch another seine across the river, then use driven poles to help you move the second net down to the first one, trapping all fish caught between those 2 nets.

none have known to make a pontoon outrigger raft. They are given lots of stuff that will float, so the flotation of the local wood is not an issue. Weave a net bag, maybe double layer of tarp, for an anchor made of small stones. Braid 4 segments of the snare wire, and have a cable strong enough to anchor such a craft while you work on your nets. you can weave netting by firelight, guys.[/QUOTE]
 
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the two seasons that were not on a seacoast, none of them knew to take the 3 lb block of salt as one of their 10 items. Salt's a great bait (when no seacoast is nearby. you need it for your metabolism, and to choke down all the cambium and fish you'll have to eat, as well as to preserve fish and game. On a seacoast, none of them have known to use a tarp lined pit to stone boil off a lot of seawater and get salt. None have known that the big roll of duct tape has to be one of your 10 items.
 
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None have known to take a slingbow, with most of the arrows featuring spiral flu flu fletching, which reduces loss of and damage to arrows. Have those arrows feature 4-tined fishing arrows. Each tine can become 2 fishhooks, courtesy of the multitool (which is worth far more than any belt knife). Take a modified Cold Steel shovel, (8" of saw-edge) not a saw or axe. If you know to use the snarewire to make treblehooks, and to take your fishing kit as 8 treblehooks, if you know to use small bait bags made out of chunks of tarp, and "power' the hooks with a springy forked stick, and to use half of your trebleooks to wire ducks/gulls and small predators to drag logs, you'll get a lot more catches, and vary your diet, too. Once I had netting enough to feed myself, I'd put all the treblehooks to work on land. Once I had lots of fishguts/heads to use as bait for hogs/bears, I'd set up a braided wire/cable snare for them, too. The fat and meat from a 200 lb hog or bear will win the show for you.

None have known how to do without a ferrorod, which wastes one pick.
 

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How about this "alone" story:
For 40 Years, This Russian Family Was Cut Off From All Human Contact, Unaware of World War II | History | Smithsonian

Thus it was in the remote south of the forest in the summer of 1978. A helicopter sent to find a safe spot to land a party of geologists was skimming the treeline a hundred or so miles from the Mongolian border when it dropped into the thickly wooded valley of an unnamed tributary of the Abakan, a seething ribbon of water rushing through dangerous terrain. The valley walls were narrow, with sides that were close to vertical in places, and the skinny pine and birch trees swaying in the rotors’ downdraft were so thickly clustered that there was no chance of finding a spot to set the aircraft down. But, peering intently through his windscreen in search of a landing place, the pilot saw something that should not have been there. It was a clearing, 6,000 feet up a mountainside, wedged between the pine and larch and scored with what looked like long, dark furrows. The baffled helicopter crew made several passes before reluctantly concluding that this was evidence of human habitation—a garden that, from the size and shape of the clearing, must have been there for a long time.

It was an astounding discovery. The mountain was more than 150 miles from the nearest settlement, in a spot that had never been explored. The Soviet authorities had no records of anyone living in the district.


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In some respects, Peskov makes clear, the taiga did offer some abundance: “Beside the dwelling ran a clear, cold stream. Stands of larch, spruce, pine and birch yielded all that anyone could take.… Bilberries and raspberries were close to hand, firewood as well, and pine nuts fell right on the roof.”

Yet the Lykovs lived permanently on the edge of famine. It was not until the late 1950s, when Dmitry reached manhood, that they first trapped animals for their meat and skins. Lacking guns and even bows, they could hunt only by digging traps or pursuing prey across the mountains until the animals collapsed from exhaustion. Dmitry built up astonishing endurance, and could hunt barefoot in winter, sometimes returning to the hut after several days, having slept in the open in 40 degrees of frost, a young elk across his shoulders. More often than not, though, there was no meat, and their diet gradually became more monotonous. Wild animals destroyed their crop of carrots, and Agafia recalled the late 1950s as “the hungry years.” “We ate the rowanberry leaf,” she said,
 
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Most "think" that you want to make a heavy duty shelter, early on. That's a mistake. you have to wait until cold weather has run the fish off to deep water, where you probably can't catch many of them. Then, after yo;u've fed yourself well for 6 weeks or so, winter is imminent and you've got 50+ lbs of preserved meat/fish (ie, know you can stay another month or more) THEN you make a winter shelter. Until then, all you want or need is a raised wooden bed (with hot rocks under it as you sleep, and a pile of dry debris on top of it, and a simple tarp shelter over the bed. Then you can easily move the shelter where the squaw-wood is, instead of having to cut and haul big wood to your shelter for 6 weeks, for no reason. Where you need the shelter to be for fishing season is not likely to be where you need it to be for winter, either. :) It's too rainy-soggy on Vancover Island for an underground shelter to be feasible, but it would work fine in Mongolia or Patagonia. Stuff it with a foot thick of compacted dry debris, preferably grass, and you wont need a fire, except for cooking. You can make a seep well and water filter and thus, not need a fire for boiling drinking water, either, saving you a ton of otherwise wasted time and firewood.
 

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Good show. The fact none of them are Jeremiah Johnson doesn’t bother me. It would be boring if they all were. And never ending. And if you think you would do a sh*t ton better you’re probably kidding yourself. A few of them have had legit skills.
 
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wont work on the Alone show. They are not allowed to move more than a couple of miles in any one direction. They are dropped off in late fall, animals hibernating, migrating, or dormant. Fish will be too, pretty soon. So you have to really get on the ball with the foraging, the first 6 weeks you are there. and have salt with which to preserve the surplus. You have to eat lots and lots of food per day, cause the only really safe storage is as your own bodyfat. Olympic swimmers have to eat 10,000 calories per day and they aint fat. A normal diet for a sedentary 200 lb man is 2000 calories per day, at room temps. But being out in the cold, doing nothing, burns another 1000 calories per day, Being stressed burns more, and walkig a mile (un-burdened, on flat pavement, burns another 100 calories per mile. So you can easily need to eat 4000 calories per day out there. None of them has averaged foraging 1000 calories per day. Fish and plants (ready to eat) only offer 600 calories per lb. Lean meat is 800 calories per lb (ready to eat) Only about half of a fish or animal's live weight is edible flesh. So you need to eat 4-8 lbs of food per day. Fowler, so far, has caught the most fish, 60 of them, maybe 1 lb each. 30 lbs of ready to eat fish, a whopping 18,000 calories. bfd. Which is why he lost 73 lbs in 87 days. Along with his silly wasting of effort on his cabin, fishing dock, deadfall traps, single hook, no bait back, no engine-powered trotlines, and his steps and handrails up and down his steep hills. Avoid that by a day's work making a pontoon outrigger raft and moving all your stuff down the shoreline, till you find a beach without such steep hills.
 
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i"m not kidding anyone. I DO know what to take and do. None of them has known much of anything. They've all just starved. Wouldn't need much to do MUCH better. Ive emailed back and forth with Fowler, Dave M, and Wooded Beardsman. None have even known to already be in ketosis before they left. It is very hard on you, making the switch from eating mostly carbs, on top of all the other stresses that they face out there. So why not get that switch out of the way before you go? None have known to use the fire-roll technique, or solar/reflector method, or make a big McElroy pump drill for fire starting, or to use the batteries that they are given to start a fire, then keep it going, with a primitive shelter over the fire (kept dampened).
 
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Fowler has a yt vid about how he worked hard all one entire day, making a 1 pint wooden water bottle. In 2 hours, you can make a poncho and chaps, using the duct tape and chunks of the 20x20 tarp. Then you're free to tie off the sleeves of the rainjacket and have 2 gallons of water container, and no damage to the rainsuit, either. The pants of the rainsuit get stuffed with dry debris and used as one of the pontoons for the outrigger raft. If you dove tail some 3 ft long, 4" OD logs across the 8ft long, 4" OD logs, you wont need much in the way of cordage to make the raft. Notch the corners and the center of the two 6" OD, 11 ft long logs that form your diagonal braces.
 

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Just reading some of these responses really makes me aware of how little I know!? I really should get a book on this.
 
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I need to write that book. A lot of these ideas are original with me. If you coat the back of your shovel with iodine before you go, it will rust heavily. Rust is a great accellerant for fire starting with the fire-roll technique. Also, before you go, waterproof spray the inside of the backpack and one set of your clothes. Straighten out one of the fishhooks. Use one of the file blades in the multitool to get rid of the barb. Presto, you have a sewing needle. Sew and tape the seams and those items become pontoons for your raft. Ditto the camera case. Stuff them with dry debris and you'll have lots of floatation, even if your locally available wood doesn't float.
 
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You have to understand that the producers will NEVER let this show last 4 months and probably not even 3 months. They have tremendous costs in their medical rescue crews and their liability insurance while the challenge is under-way. So they want those expenses to end as soon as they get enough material for 12 shows. However, that material COULD be 10x more entertaining/informative than is currently the case. The fattest man has always won. Which is a crock. They should have a maximum BMI of 22 or so, 15% bodyfat for a man, 20% for a woman. No men over 180 lbs, no women under 140 lbs. Making up that weight difference, via foraging, is VERY tough and requires that the fat men stupidly waste lots of time/effort, like Fowler did on season 3. He'd never have beaten Carleigh if he'd not started out with a 70 lb weight advantage.
 
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with a couple of 1000 sq ft baited net weirs, and 5x60 ft of seine, you can harvest 600 lbs of fish in 6 weeks, and then assemble that netting for use as deep water gillnetting (removing the vegetation that converted it from 3" mesh to 1.5" mesh) and maybe harvesting 5 lbs of fish per day even after it gets cold, until the water freezes (if it does, in your area). It will take you 2 weeks to make all that netting, so very little fish will be caught the first week, and not a lot more the second week. So really, figure on averaging 20 lbs of fish caught per day, for the last month before cold weather moves them out of your reach.

Deep water fishing, especially on an 0cean, would be very dangerous by yourself, with a homemade craft. 5 lbs of live weight fish is just 1500 calories. So if 5 lbs per day is all you can average out there, its probably not worth the risks/calorie burn. 2300 sq ft of 3" mesh netting is not a lot, when you're just gillnetting on open water and there's nothing (that you know of) making the fish move in a certain direction, by any certain path. If the net needs to be 10 ft wide, that's just 230 ft of length for your net, not much. in open water. handling that much net, on the ocean, using a little raft? very sketchy. I'd have to be averaging 10 lbs of fish per day to make it worth my risks.
 
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it takes several thousand $ worth of gear/clothing to enter the show, and you might well be off work for 3 months. So you have to decide, after using up your vacation time, sick leave, etc, whether you should stay on the show and lose your job. If you're not feeding yourself well by then, you might as well just go on home cause you'll win only by being fat and lucky. You only CLEAR 1/4 million $ Most people have no clue how to make that replace their job. Lose your current job and you might well not find another (that pays more than 30k a year).
 
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Nearly everyone is just a Boy Scout fantasy types. Hung up on the axe, saw, cabin, hunting/trapping bs. People all over the third world, if they have access to a good sized body of water, live by net-fishing. The show wont let you take nearly enough netting or cordage to matter. So you have to know to take permitted items that can be converted into being netting. There are no edible plants left in many areas, as late as they get dumped off to start this show. If these areas had any resources to offer, they'd not be wildernesses. Any place that's worth a hoot for human life has people swarming all over it, all over the world. So, realize this fact, before going in. The food resources on land will be very slim. You dont have time or food or calories to waste on making shelters, drums, guitars, dreamcatchers, chairs, lots of spoons, etc. If you cant just REMEMBER what all you did, for a mere 90 days, you're pretty deficient upstairs. There's not all that much (different) things to do, actually. So, having to cut images into a stick, so you can remember what happened, is sort of unintentionally revealing about something, if you know what I mean?
 
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I've been on many forums about this show. Many want to see Cody Lundin, Dave Canterbury, etc, on the show. They'll never go, cause it would cost them a fortune in lost students, when they fail like every one else. Now, the guy from Primitive Technology and the Asians from Primitive skills, they will never allowed on the show, especially not the Asians. Cause they'd know to make netting, use it properly and be willing to put in the 100 hours of tedium needed to do so.

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primitive technology netmaking - YouTube

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Ya I watched the show, it was entertaining and interesting. But I did not over analyze it like that, that's for sure. Common sense. it's television

When is the next season? and are we going to see you on there wagum? Welcome to NES
 

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i like the show. And i am surprised that many of the contestants who actually have mountain man skills...pussy out the quickest. There was some guy who was a good bow hunter...the let him take a bow and arrows, and he does not even hunt...just sits around pissing and moaning. Or the guy who is whittling wood, with the sharp side of the knife coming TOWARD his body.

But after a few seasons, it seems that a person with modest woodsman abilities (i.e. setting snares, deadfalls, gill net, etc), AND has the right mental disposition, would make it just fine. What you do not want to be, is whining only 3 weeks in that you have not seen your wife for 3 weeks. You kind of have to be a loner...someone who ENJOYS being alone in nature. I think they weed those types out in the selection process, as they would not be interesting to film.

And those tarps they give them....have you ever actually tried to use a tarp in the wild? They leak. They easily poke holes thru them. A tarp is a TEMPORARY roof, until you make some wood shingles to make a real roof.
 

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i saw an ad for Naked And Afraid Alaska Tundra....They drop you naked, with a small pouch of stuff, on top of a snow covered mountain in the middle of winter.

My jaw dropped as i saw the trailer. Knowing something about hypothermia, AND how they usually pick people who are a little idiotic for the show....i just can not see how ANYONE would survive the night.

edit: just found the trailer


I don't think i would watch...i am not enough of a masochist to enjoy that one. Couldn't they at least give them some fur lined boots?
 
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they get weeded out because the producers dont want the show lasting more than 2 months. You'll never do much of anything with a bow, unless you can bait in hogs or bears. Deer dont bait easily (to anything you'll have on this show) and have very little fat. If you have lots of stinky fishguts and heads, you can call to hogs and bears for miles. They can tell if there's enough food to be worth their trouble to go get it. I've seen nobody impressive at all, since they've all failed at the most basic of skills, ie, being able to feed yourself adequately.

They'll never pick me, even tho I apply for every season, so do thousands of others. I"ve posted about this so much, on every yt channel about the show, that they know very well that I'd be out there for a minimum of 4 months, making everyone else look like the campfire girls that they are. I"ve done 5 months in solitary confinement, several times. There's nothing to it. These guys just starve and cast about hopelessly for some way to save face, since they are 'survival instructors".

Guys get things backwards. They say, if asked what one thing they'd choose for wilderness survival, they say a knife, etc. I say: " An AR-15 with a scope, silencer, 30 rds of 60 gr 223 softpoints .22lr conversion unit, 200 rds of 60 gr Aquila subsonic ammo, a 2" wide sling made out of 11 strand 750 paracord, with luminous sights, trigger job, bipod, and a 100 rd drum. Gut the drum so that you'll have a container. Make fishhooks out of the mag wire. Pry off the ejection port cover and make a hoku knife out of it. Unbraid the sling and have all that paracord. Peel off the outer sheathing out of most of the paracord, so that you can have the smaller diameter, lighter cordage, too. If need be, bust the scope, then use the lense for solar firemaking, or make a pump drill for friction fire, if I can't find adequate materials for fire-rolling. Keep your silly belt knife." :) Almost anywhere, I can find the materials for making a stone adze, for heaving chopping. I can find something out of which to make a shelter, too. But making an effective projectile weapon? THAT is difficult and what feeds you while you do so? Being able to shoot big fish in shallow water, shoot small critters quietly and also be able to take big critters to 200 yds, beats the living hell out of being able to do so at 50 ft with a field made bow.
 

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I think those “several terms of 5 months of solitary confinement” have taken their toll. You love to hear yourself talk, even when nobody’s answering, hate paragraph structure and grammar, possibly are on a manic high, or are here for some other reason?

Does a normal person really get this excited over a goddamn reality tv show?

What’s your real purpose for being here OP? Banned from every other site you joined?

Change my mind...
 
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I think those “several terms of 5 months of solitary confinement” have taken their toll. You love to hear yourself talk, even when nobody’s answering, hate paragraph structure and grammar, possibly are on a manic high, or are here for some other reason?

Does a normal person really get this excited over a goddamn reality tv show?

What’s your real purpose for being here OP? Banned from every other site you joined?

Change my mind...
I'm kind of wondering that too... at first, I'm like "oh cool, someone who may know some stuff about outdoor survival"... but then the posts have no connection to what anyone else has said, and just keep going on and on. I suspect the inventor of the tactical wheel barrow has returned.
 
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I've answered anyone who's posted anything sensible. Why should i reply to bs? Anyone who's watched the show knows that none of the entrants so far have even known how to feed themselves. So anyone with a brain should be able to figure out that you need radically different stuff, or you can win only by being fat and lucky. Maybe you're rich enough to be able to just blow off a clear 1/4 mill $, winnable in 2 months. But I'm not and I'd bet a year's pay that 90% of the readers here are not.
 
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people dont even know what amount of calories various wild foods offer, how many calories you burn doing what, etc. The combo of those ignorances, along with not knowing how to score ANY food (most anyone's managed has been Fowler and Dave M, about 30 lbs of low calorie food in 2 months. and Dave's lied about it. A crab's live weight is only 1/4 edible flesh and it only offers 400 calories per lb, ready to eat. So you'd have to average catching 30 lbs of crabs per day to not lose weight, out there in the cold, damp, wind, as he's claimed that he did the second month of his stay. With "natural" traps in the kelp beds, at low tide, no less. He also had a net, but it was quite small. So he'd have had to also catch 6 lbs of fish per day. along with 12 lbs of crabs, every day on average. If you believe that, he should be selling you whole life insurance.
 

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I’m eating multi grain olive crostini’s, topped with iberico chorizo and whiskey cheddar. Is the game show in the room with you right now?
 
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