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Anual NES Bullet Casting Seminar Feeler Thread

Discussion in 'Reloading' started by Michael J. Spangler, Jul 9, 2019.

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  1. Michael J. Spangler

    Michael J. Spangler NES Member

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    Alright guys and gals.
    I think it's time to start planning for an October seminar.

    For those that have not read about this or may be new here.

    We basically spend a day going from scrap lead to ingot to as cast bullets to finished sized/coated/lubed bullets ready to load.
    Explanations of how to and why to. All of the tools and accessories on premises for hands on learning.

    Cast lead is cheap. It’s accurate. It can do a lot more than what most people think. Great for hunting. Can be pushed to rifle velocities with accuracy. Can be wrapped in a paper jacket and pushed 3000 FPS without leading. Can be shot in polygonal rifling with no issues.
    Can be coated with the same coating(hi tek) that the big commercial guys use (bayou, SNS, gateway) and be treated like a plated bullet at that point.

    Once you start asking around for scrap lead it starts appearing at your door. Basically free.
    Take the most expensive component out of reloading.
    1000 45 acp cartridges

    1000 primers $ 32
    $25 pound of powder at 5 grains each. $17
    Free lead
    Smidgen of electric
    Tiny bit of propane
    Little bit of bullet lube

    Say $55 for 1000 cartridges.
    Say you had to pay a dollar a pound for lead. That’s only another $29 for 1000 each 200 grain bullets.
    So $84 for 1000 cartridges. Then you save on that tiny bit of propane for not smelting.

    This seminar will be a little different. I'm thinking of dropping the cost a bit an excluding the bulk lead take home. This should free up some time smelting. We will have lead on hand in the melting pots to cast with. Everyone will go home with bullets they cast themselves.
    We will focus more on sizing/lubing/coating/loading/paper patching tips an techniques. Odd ball loads and novelty type loads.

    There are always great door prizes. Breakfast and Lunch is included in the price.

    So let’s get the feelers out there and see who wants to take the next step in reloading.

    If anyone has a question as to what cast lead bullets can or cannot do. What styles of bullets can be made. What cartridges they play well with or the ever popular health concerns please ask away.
     
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  2. EddieCoyle

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    Cost & location?
     
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  3. Michael J. Spangler

    Michael J. Spangler NES Member

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    Cost not set yet. Not sure we’re going to have people leave with ingot or just the bullets they cast.
    Probably the latter to keep the cost down for attendees.
    Location TBD but most likely Fairhaven MA
     
  4. Michael J. Spangler

    Michael J. Spangler NES Member

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    No interest at all?
    Maybe this needs to be moved to the general forum?
     
  5. mac1911

    mac1911 NES Member

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    Well as usual I wont be going. But i will be in for a donation of lead for a door prize or to be used for the seminar.
    Will be cleaning out another corner of the shed and pretty sure there is some more scrap to be cleared out.
     
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    Michael J. Spangler NES Member

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    Always appreciate man!
    Wish we could get you over though.
     
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    i would have to host to have a chance and thats slim. Maybe once the kids can travel with out my assistance.
     
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    Michael J. Spangler NES Member

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    Kids are welcome at the seminar.
     
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    I’m in bought out an old reloader and have all the stuff just need to figure out how to use it. Also have lead I can donate to the class
     
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    I have some more wheel weights/lead flashing to donate to the cause if someone can pick up in Worcester before I move to Indiana (have 2 or 3 months yet before that happens, so no rush). This is an EXCELLENT seminar, and i guarantee everyone will come out of it with more knowledge than going into it.
     
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    Awesome thanks to both of you!
     
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    They would last about 10 min before they gang up on me and in simple terms..... Dad this sucks.
     
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    So on the way home last night i scored a LP tank with gas in it.
    Weighed it on my bathroom scale at 16lbs. had to move some other smelting equipment so ......

    View: https://youtu.be/DY1tns4SsEU


    View: https://youtu.be/QZALr1rA9RU


    I will weigh the ignots when they cool. They stay warm for a long time!
    I used 2.65lbs of LP per my crap bathroom scale.
    Diaclaimer: the scale I use was replaced because its not accurate also add I use it on the lawn does mot help. Although after a few years of using it it is accurate enough to see changes if you dont move the scale.

    Total lead smelted in aprox 1:20min 47lbs
    Usung 2.65lbs LP. 47lbs
    Or anout .05lbs of propane per pound.
    Or aprox 400lbs of lead on one 20lb tank.

    So if your paying $18 or so to fill a 20lb tank your at about 5 cents per pound to melt? Im hot and hungry now so if my math is off let me know

    I know with efficient use of wind blockers and the first half of a tank with higher pressure will be more efficient. You should do 500lba easy especially if you make a day of smelting down large batches.

    Sorry for the hijack of thread but just tossing out there that its not hard ot expensive to get casting from scrap to bullet. The Seminar will be worth your time and money. I grew up around casters but did not bother with my own until I bought my house.
    Its fun and I have the time to do it. So I do

    For more useless info , I did drag the tank inside to a accurate scale
    Tank weighs 25lbs and the Tanks TW is 16 so 9lbs of gas in that free tank!
     
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    I'm interested but depends on date. Ducks and deer open in October in NNY so about 50% chance I'm in town. I've been collection some lead to get started with.
     
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    I'm interested
     
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    DukeInFlorida NES Member

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    One of the things I get distressed about is not being close enough to help with the Casting Workshop.
    I'm grateful that Michael has picked up the reins, and that this activity that I had a hand in, continues.
    I dearly remember the last one that I was able to be there for. Good friends, and met a lot of new people. The WX that day was also perfect. Very different WX than the very first workshop that I held at my home in Maine (there's a link around somewhere with images from that day).
    Wish I could be there for this one, but doubtful I'll make it to New England any time soon. Healthwise, I am doing fine. Just too much going on here to get away. So, hope this 2019 casting workshop goes well. You are all in my thoughts.

    BTW, Michael, I'm pretty sure we have talked about this in the past, but there was a time I lived at 62 Fort Street in Fairhaven. At the time, I was working for the old Continental Screw Company in New Bedford. LOVE Fairhaven!!
     
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    Michael J. Spangler NES Member

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    Duke we wish we had you up to help out too.
    I'm glad a few more are showing interest. I don't think shooter understand how much casting can change your life : )
    You did mention that. PM incoming
     
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    I'm very interested I will keep tabs from time to time
     
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    October is coming up.Interest is piqued.
     
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    just some fun stuff
    In my above post I did a quick smelting of wheel weights. it was not a planned event. So with in 3 hours. I was able to set up , sort, melt and pour 140lbs of lead all while doing a bunch of clean up in the general area,
    I forget exactly but it was about 90lbs wheel clip on wheel weight alloy and 50lbs of roof flashing.
    You can buy basically the same stuff as wheel weights already smelted for $1.50/lb per 1000lbs
    Pallet Recycled Lead Ingots 1000 Pounds $1.49 per pound Freight included lyman #2 at around $4/lb and Soft lead alloy for around $2/lb

    so the way I look at it is go with the
    recycled lead price and its $225/150lbs of lead or about $75 hr----I would need to make to buy this lead? I dont make $75 and hour and dont have a lot of chances to work more hours anyway so Its a huge cost saver for me.
     
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    I would love to learn how to cast some RNFP or SWC for 45LC. Subbed for date and cost.
     
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    Ok so for those interested......

    Lets talk casting. Who has questions? What do you want to see and learn? Who is lurking and in the "Lead sucks because it's smoky and lead causes cancer and I don't have the time and lead is only for light target loads and lead isn't accurate in rifles and lead will blow up my glock fotay and all the other excuses or myths?

    Lets get this to be open discussion to pique the interest a little more and get set up for the best seminar yet.
     
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    One of the easiest cartridges to cast and load for. Very forgiving and even at the heaviest powder charges you don't need to start playing any tricks to get it done right.
     
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