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another tax thread. but about guns
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I just figured it was always included?Rick1987
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Its not food or clothing.
When you buy a used car you pay sales tax on that correct?
So what is the difference on a used gun?
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No, because private sales of privately owned merchandise is never subject to sales tax. The only time that comes into play is when a business becomes a third party seller. If the .gov wanted to, they could in fact put in a tax structure similar to automobiles, where you are assessed sales tax upon filing for registration, but up to this point that provision is not in place.
Rick1987
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So what is the difference with my privately owned car? If I sell it to you, you have to pay sales tax on the value of the car when you register it.
It was my understanding that all transactions within the state are subject to sales tax. Except exempt items. And I didnt see used merchandise as exempt.
As it's been mentioned above. Individuals don't charge sales tax on personal transactions. When I buy a car from another individual, he or she doesn't charge me sales tax. The RMV charges a tax based on the Bill of Sale.
Don't be so literal when quoting things. http://www.mass.gov/dor/businesses/current-tax-info/guide-to-trustee-taxes/sales-and-use-tax.html
The next sentence from where you quoted that says
You also pulled this from the 'business' section of the Mass Dept. of Revenue. Are you a registered business collecting sales tax and remitting the tax to the Commonwealth? If not, then you don't charge sales tax.
Rick1987
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Then casual or infrequent sales.
Most people here should be exempt when buying a car.
I buy more guns than cars. But I have to pay tax on a used car. Doesnt make sence.
Is that one of the reasons we are limited to 4 guns a year? Similar to selling cars, if you sell more you have to get a dealers license?
I just want to make sure this isnt a way we can get screwed. I havent paid tax on them and there is record of it.
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If you do that with a car they charge you based on the book value. There is book values for firearms
Most people here should be exempt when buying a car.
I buy more guns than cars. But I have to pay tax on a used car. Doesnt make sence.
Is that one of the reasons we are limited to 4 guns a year? Similar to selling cars, if you sell more you have to get a dealers license?
I just want to make sure this isnt a way we can get screwed. I havent paid tax on them and there is record of it.
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If you do that with a car they charge you based on the book value. There is book values for firearms
usp45ct
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I believe the price I paid for guns in the NES classifieds included tax, and as both a buyer and the seller would have to report the tax, I love the fact that all the transactions I have with NES members has been for $1.00. Sure they may have asked for $950 but after negotiating, we agreed on a sale price of $1.
Rick1987
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Rick1987
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Rick1987
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I had my current car gifted to me from my mother. We had to fill out a form and I believe the person selling it has to be related to you now.
I dont think you could gift me your car anymore.
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Rick1987
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Ok I believe you, I just dont see the difference between a used car, and a used gun, 2 of my guns cost more than my car. You said you dont have to pay tax on infrequent purchases but I purchase guns much more frequently than a vehicle.
If what you say is true, I just dont see it on the exempt list, guess I have to speak layer to understand it.
Rick, from one of your links:
You do not have to collect or pay a sales tax on the casual sale of personal property. Period.
You seem to be arguing that you should do so. If you wish to do so, go right ahead. Simply keep track of every personal item you sell during the year, multiply by .0625, and send that to the state when you pay your taxes.
I'm at a loss as to why you're concerned about this.
ETA: As far as cars go, they probably would have been considered as exempt under the casual sale of personal property rule. The reason that we pay sales tax on them is that they were specifically excluded from the exemption. See the following:
Notice the part in bold. Vehicles are specifically named as not part of the exemption. The above quote is from http://www.malegislature.gov/Laws/GeneralLaws/PartI/TitleIX/Chapter64h/Section6
You do not have to collect or pay a sales tax on the casual sale of personal property. Period.
You seem to be arguing that you should do so. If you wish to do so, go right ahead. Simply keep track of every personal item you sell during the year, multiply by .0625, and send that to the state when you pay your taxes.
I'm at a loss as to why you're concerned about this.
ETA: As far as cars go, they probably would have been considered as exempt under the casual sale of personal property rule. The reason that we pay sales tax on them is that they were specifically excluded from the exemption. See the following:
Notice the part in bold. Vehicles are specifically named as not part of the exemption. The above quote is from http://www.malegislature.gov/Laws/GeneralLaws/PartI/TitleIX/Chapter64h/Section6
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Rick1987
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I was just confuse as to why I had to pay tax on a used car but not a firearm. I just dont understand it. From what you quoted then I should be exempt from sales tax on a used car, me buying a used car is infrequent.
I just wanted to make sure this wasnt something that I overlooked and was technically suppose to pay.
Given the current events and general attitude towards firearms and there owners, if we were actually suppose to pay the tax it is all on file with our fa10's.
Since that is not the case,
Nothing to see here.
Not a problem, Rick. See my edit about cars in post #20. Technically, the legislature could remove the sales tax exemption from any item, food, clothing, shelter, you name it. To date, they seem happier to just keep raising the rate on the usual stuff. About the only thing that the sheep in MA rejected was the additional tax on booze. I can kind of understand that. Living in MA does require some type of anesthetic to numb the pain, and liquor is already expensive enough. ![[smile]](/xen/styles/default/xenforo/smilies.vb/001.gif "Smile [smile]")
Too many people would need to go to jail. The strain in the courts, IRS monkeys, prisons and the bad reps of sending some good people to jail are not worth it.
Besides, they always give you the option to pay, and even finance.
Dont be paranoid.
Rick1987
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Not a problem, Rick. See my edit about cars in post #20. Technically, the legislature could remove the sales tax exemption from any item, food, clothing, shelter, you name it. To date, they seem happier to just keep raising the rate on the usual stuff. About the only thing that the sheep in MA rejected was the additional tax on booze. I can kind of understand that. Living in MA does require some type of anesthetic to numb the pain, and liquor is already expensive enough.
That answers my question. Thanks
I think in that case you *are* suppose to pay sales tax.
Yes, true. But nobody ever does.
Rick1987
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it is, the last one is what inspired this one.
