Another respiratory virus from China (Coronavirus Megathread)

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Nice video showing why masks make a big difference in projecting particles
I guess the million dollar question is how much infection occurs due to the virus being carried in larger globs of expellent vs lone virus particles that will cruise right thru a surgical masks?

I imagine there is some % of protection, more than 0 but less than 100. Any studies to study on this aspect?
 

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Not Rona but relevant:
Just self identify as black and you'll jump to the head of the line.

Have you learned NOTHING here on NES?
 

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I guess the million dollar question is how much infection occurs due to the virus being carried in larger globs of expellent vs lone virus particles that will cruise right thru a surgical masks?

I imagine there is some % of protection, more than 0 but less than 100. Any studies to study on this aspect?
Yes, tons of studies.

Your chances of catching kung flu by walking past a sneezer while getting in your laps at the park are near zero, with or without a mask.

Your chances of catching kung flu by working in close proximity for extended periods with someone that does have it are greatly increased.

You can find details on these studies through search engines. Focus on studies performed by hospitals / clinics / labs and avoid bloggers on EITHER side of the fence because they are all blindly biased, and yes, sadly, that includes here on NES.
 

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Yes, tons of studies.

Your chances of catching kung flu by walking past a sneezer while getting in your laps at the park are near zero, with or without a mask.

Your chances of catching kung flu by working in close proximity for extended periods with someone that does have it are greatly increased.

You can find details on these studies through search engines. Focus on studies performed by hospitals / clinics / labs and avoid bloggers on EITHER side of the fence because they are all blindly biased, and yes, sadly, that includes here on NES.
You don't think the hospitals/clinics/labs are biased? Is there a test they take every year or something so we know?
 

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Yes, tons of studies.

Your chances of catching kung flu by walking past a sneezer while getting in your laps at the park are near zero, with or without a mask.

Your chances of catching kung flu by working in close proximity for extended periods with someone that does have it are greatly increased.

You can find details on these studies through search engines. Focus on studies performed by hospitals / clinics / labs and avoid bloggers on EITHER side of the fence because they are all blindly biased, and yes, sadly, that includes here on NES.
First off, love the avatar mask, Nordstrom’s?

I found this study which I’ll read later today... globs and aerosols in confined spaces.

 

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I keep attending AmPublic Health Assoc webinars at Webinars just to keep tabs on the Leftist/Progressive medicine message. Today’s webinar had a great intro from the Mass General Hospital Infectious Diseases Chief, who works with MGH, BU, BIDMC, Tufts, etc. The Director NY Public Health was on, pretty much presenting testimony on the success of NYPH and the failures of the Fed (aka Trump) to deliver. It‘s like being an undercover cop in Hell’s Angels...
 

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NY: 1682 deaths/M.

Sweden - condemned by such "public health" "experts" : 567.
That's not really a fair comparison, given most of NY deaths were NYC, which is a very different environment (and much more disgusting in terms
of packing people into poorly ventilated spaces) than across entire country of Sweden.

But yeah Sweden is not doing badly compared with the entire US. Arguably they're doing worse in terms of mortality and hospitalization of cases than their Scandinavian neighbors . That might just be a matter of time though, if a vaccine doesn't show up, then they've just front loaded the infection curve compared
to neighbors. But if it does show up by end of this year, the people who have been taking reasonable precautions to avoid getting sick will have come out ahead.
I'm looking forward to a mild cold and flu season, if everyone can just keep their distance.
 

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WRONG.

T cells. That's how we fight coronaviruses. [grin]
Are there vaccines that boost T Cell response?...or somehow have the desired effect?

I don't disagree with you - the secret is in the T cells.
However, i've seen nothing to state that type of vaccine is even being pursued....or possible...dunno
 
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I got this from MarketWatch:

Eye protection may be recommended in the future to help prevent the spread of Covid-19, Dr. Anthony Fauci said in an interview with ABC News on Wednesday. “Theoretically you should protect all of the mucosal surfaces, so if you have goggles or an eye shield, you should use it,” Dr. Fauci said. Covid-19 infections occur through the parts of the body that secrete mucous, which is produced to help to protect against dirt and germs. Wearing eye protection like a face shield of goggles is “not universally recommended,” he said, “but if you really want to be complete, you should probably use it if you can.” Cloth masks are currently recommended for everyone, he pointed out, because they are so easy to buy or make.
 

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Fauxi is now recommending goggles. The silliness continues. When the numbers were ramping up he suggested no such thing. Now the numbers are way down and its time to get serious with more and more ppe. What the hell is going on. The horse is dead so stop flogging it
 

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Fauxi is now recommending goggles. The silliness continues. When the numbers were ramping up he suggested no such thing. Now the numbers are way down and its time to get serious with more and more ppe. What the hell is going on. The horse is dead so stop flogging it
The states that are just getting hit have already heard all the old lines. It's just new material.
 

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German Study:

This study describes the characteristics of hospitalised patients with COVID-19 in a large, unselected, and unbiased nationwide cohort of 10 021 patients admitted to 920 hospitals in Germany, including during the peak of admissions at the end of March, 2020, and in the first half of April (ie, up to 2 weeks after the peak of new infections). To the best of our knowledge, this is the first report of in-hospital mortality in a large group of patients with COVID-19 in Germany. The main findings of our study were that most patients were aged 70 years or older, that patients on mechanical ventilation had more comorbidities than patients without mechanical ventilation, and that mortality was high, with a mortality of 53% in patients being mechanically ventilated and 73% in patients requiring both ventilation and dialysis. Overall, in-hospital mortality was 22%, which is similar to that reported in France, but considerably lower than in the UK where in-hospital mortality was reported to be 39%, if only patients who were discharged or died in hospital are taken into account.

However, the age distribution of patients, particularly of patients admitted to hospital and of those on mechanical ventilation, generally differs between the European countries.

Mortality was particularly high for patients on mechanical ventilation (53%), reaching 63% in patients aged 70–79 years and 72% in patients aged 80 years and older. These mortality rates are higher than those for severe acute respiratory distress syndrome (ARDS).

In the New York cohort reported by Richardson and colleagues, mortality was 24·5%, including patients remaining in the ICU. However, if only patients discharged from the ICU were included in the analysis, as done in our cohort, mortality among patients aged 18–65 years and those older than 65 years would be substantially higher. Of note, the smaller proportion of patients receiving mechanical ventilation and the higher in-hospital mortality in New York could reflect an overburdened health-care system. The Intensive Care National Audit & Research Centre
reports an ICU mortality for England, Wales, and Northern Ireland of slightly less than 30% in patients younger than 60 years, consistent with our data, and of 60–80% in patients aged 60 years and older. In patients aged 60 years or older in particular, mortality is nearly 75% in those receiving renal replacement therapy.

Our data indicate that half of all deaths among ventilated patients occurred in the first 12 days after hospital admission. Furthermore, patients requiring both ventilation and dialysis had the highest in-hospital mortality of 73%, possibly due to multiorgan failure or renal tropism of the virus.

In general, our data show the high morbidity and mortality in older patients, with a considerably lower mortality for patients younger than 60 years. In particular, mortality is very high in patients older than 70 years, reaching 72% in patients aged 80 years or older with ventilation, which is in line with data reported from the UK
and from patients undergoing surgery.

Of note, mortality also reached 34% in patients aged 80 years and older without mechanical ventilation. These results provide new information relevant to patient allocation during the pandemic, especially in times of high ICU demand.

Countries such as Italy,the UK, and France, which had limited ICU bed resources, high infection rates, and particularly high COVID-19-related deaths during the first wave of the pandemic, admitted fewer older patients to high-care ICU treatment, including invasive mechanical ventilation. In England, Wales, and Northern Ireland, only 20·3% of patients with COVID-19 being treated in ICUs were older than 70 years (and only 2·6% were older than 80 years), compared with 54% (and 23%) in our patient population. Data from the German ICU registry shows that there was sufficient ICU capacity throughout the study period, which could be a major explanation for the large number of older patients being mechanically ventilated in Germany.
 
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Can't give prisoners masks and goggles I guess. Those mandates are for law abiding tax serfs.

 

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More corona virus at the veterans home in Holyoke massachusetts, again. The Faker isn't done trying to kill them all.

Spreader event and party hosts should be made financially liable for all associated economic and medical costs.

Joe Kennedy will promise to study the situation.
 
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Your post, reading literally, says the wife took the quick test and was positive and the husband took the send-out and came back negative.

It is absolutely possible for a wife to have it and husband not to or vice versa. Haven't you ever caught a cold/flu and NOT spread it to the entire family?

I THINK you meant to say one or the other took the quickie, tested positive and then took the send-out, testing negative. That is also absolutely reasonable. The quick tests CAN return a false positive. That's what the send-out confirms/denies.

As for stopping you from getting a retest, that's likely to reduce the burden on the testing labs, which are STILL working round the clock to result all the tests.

Nothing is preventing him from walking into a different clinic and private-paying for the test every day.
And since we have to lie to get the second send out. What is wrong with this picture. ?

A few things I believe are true:

1. There have been enough cases to have a verification of antibody and reinfection potential. Yet that data is not being passed along

2. Insurance companies might be/are very glad that certain population ranges have been reduced.

3. Where are the results from trials? This effort should be the best chance of putting a face on Pharma. Why is there not a reality Facebook show which follows the drug makers and science actions 24-7?

3. Housing is going to get real interesting in the next three months. Will banks survive the squeeze? Or initiate the squeeze? Is it the best time to buy a house? Or the worst time?


Conclusions: we are in for a ride!!
 

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MOSCOW (Reuters) - Russia's health minister is preparing a mass vaccination campaign against the novel coronavirus for October, local news agencies reported on Saturday, after a vaccine completed clinical trials.

Health Minister Mikhail Murashko said the Gamaleya Institute, a state research facility in Moscow, had completed clinical trials of the vaccine and paperwork is being prepared to register it, Interfax news agency reported.

He said doctors and teachers would be the first to be vaccinated.

"We plan wider vaccinations for October," Murashko was quoted as saying.A source told Reuters this week that Russia's first potential COVID-19 vaccine would secure local regulatory approval in August and be administered to health workers soon thereafter ....
 
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