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I was surprised to hear that myself. Crazy that the British have such a boner for someone who seems like she cant be bothered to talk to them.
I don't think it's that, she's mostly silent and tries not to be a public figure and instead has the parliament and the PM do the governmental bidding, but the one thing she did do last year that was really amazing was she suspended the parliament because the Brexit stalemate was caused by them because Boris asked her to and because the people had voted to leave the EU and she wanted their will to be done.

It eventually happened, but for Elizabeth to use her authority, which is very rarely, almost never used, that was noteworthy.

I don't question her as much after that. Also, I saw the pictures of her during WW2 where she was enlisted in the UK forces as a mechanic and driver. Given the era she grew up in, I have more reason to trust her over her doofus son or the other prince who was down on Epstein's island, the one she kicked out of the royal palace.

Charles and Andrew give me the friggin' creeps.
 

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I don't think it's that, she's mostly silent and tries not to be a public figure and instead has the parliament and the PM do the governmental bidding, but the one thing she did do last year that was really amazing was she suspended the parliament because the Brexit stalemate was caused by them because Boris asked her to and because the people had voted to leave the EU and she wanted their will to be done.

It eventually happened, but for Elizabeth to use her authority, which is very rarely, almost never used, that was noteworthy.

I don't question her as much after that. Also, I saw the pictures of her during WW2 where she was enlisted in the UK forces as a mechanic and driver. Given the era she grew up in, I have more reason to trust her over her doofus son or the other prince who was down on Epstein's island, the one she kicked out of the royal palace.

Charles and Andrew give me the friggin' creeps.
They live very public lives. I wouldn't change places with any of them, with the possible exception of William. :)
 

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View: https://smile.amazon.com/Ivermectin-Paste-Dewormer-Flavor-6-Pack/dp/B01M1GPOA8/ref=sr_1_6?dchild=1&keywords=Ivermectin&qid=1586159251&refinements=p_85%3A2470955011&rnid=2470954011&rps=1&sr=8-6&th=1

One syringe contains sufficient paste to treat one 1250 lb horse at the recommended dose rate of 91 mcg ivermectin per lb (200 mcg/kg) body weight. Each weight marking on the syringe plunger delivers enough paste to treat 250 lb body weight.

Please refer to label for complete use directions.



You'd have to be crazy to buy horse medication.

You'd have to be even more crazy to get on a vent and think you'll survive.

Only 20% of people who get on a vent survive.



BREAKTHROUGH? Single dose of common agricultural drug Ivermectin found to “essentially eliminate all viral material” of COVID-19 coronavirus within 48 hours
A new study published in the journal Antiviral Research finds that Ivermectin, a common agricultural drug used as a de-wormer for cats, dogs, horses and livestock — achieves a 5000-fold reduction in replication of the SARS-cov-2 “Wuhan” coronavirus.

Ivermectin is sold at agricultural supply stores and online retailers such as Amazon.com. It’s normally sold as an edible paste or a sterile solution for injection into cattle and other livestock. The drug is FDA-approved for certain treatments, although not yet FDA approved for treatment of COVID-19. We are not recommending it for human consumption until more data are available.

The study, found here, is entitled, “The FDA-approved Drug Ivermectin inhibits the replication of SARS-CoV-2 in vitro.”

Here’s a screen shot of the study title, journal, publish date, study authors and permalink:



The abstract of the study describes the very strong potential of Ivermectin to inhibit viral replication in vitro. This was not a human clinical trial, of course, but the results make Ivermectin an immediate candidate for further study:

We report here that Ivermectin, an FDA-approved anti-parasitic previously shown to have broad-spectrum anti-viral activity in vitro, is an inhibitor of the causative virus (SARS-CoV-2), with a single addition to Vero-hSLAM cells 2 hours post infection with SARS-CoV-2 able to effect ?5000-fold reduction in viral RNA at 48 h. Ivermectin therefore warrants further investigation for possible benefits in humans.

Ivermectin is well known to exhibit strong anti-viral properties and is even documented to inhibit HIV replication. This is important to note, since the Wuhan coronavirus, an engineered biological weapon, uses HIV components as part of its infection and replication machinery. As described in the abstract:

Ivermectin is an FDA-approved broad spectrum anti-parasitic agent that in recent years we, along with other groups, have shown to have anti-viral activity against a broad range of viruses in vitro. Originally identified as an inhibitor of interaction between the human immunodeficiency virus-1 (HIV-1) integrase protein (IN) and the importin (IMP) ?/?1 heterodimer responsible for IN nuclear import, Ivermectin has since been confirmed to inhibit IN nuclear import and HIV-1 replication.

According to the published study, Ivermectin is known to inhibit the replication of:

  • Simian virus (SV40), which was placed into polio vaccines for many years in the United States.
  • Dengue virus (DENV)
  • West Nile Virus
  • Venezuelan equine encephalitis virus (VEEV)
  • Influenza
  • Pseudorabies virus (PRV)
“Essentially all viral material” was gone within 48 hours
Study authors describe how a single dose of Ivermectin achieved a 93% reduction of viral RNA was achieved within just 24 hours, with “essentially all viral material” gone in 48 hours.

At 24 h, there was a 93% reduction in viral RNA present in the supernatant (indicative of released virions) of samples treated with ivermectin compared to the vehicle DMSO. Similarly a 99.8% reduction in cell-associated viral RNA (indicative of unreleased and unpackaged virions) was observed with ivermectin treatment. By 48h this effect increased to an ?5000-fold reduction of viral RNA in ivermectin-treated compared to control samples, indicating that ivermectin treatment resulted in the effective loss of essentially all viral material by 48 h.



Furthermore, no toxicity was observed in the testing so far:

As we have observed previously no toxicity of ivermectin was observed at any of the timepoints tested, in either the sample wells or in parallel tested drug alone samples.

We now add Ivermectin to the list of candidates for low-cost, readily available treatments and possible cures
It’s criminal that Dr. Fauci and the Big Pharma establishment won’t talk about low-cost prescription drugs (like hydroxychloroquine) or simple nutritional supplements (zinc) that are available now and have a long track record of safe, effective use. Instead, they want the world to suffer and die while demanding we all wait for a vaccine that may or may not work.

In the context of this global pandemic, the active censorship of alternative treatments is nothing less than a crime against humanity.

Here are the drugs and nutrients we now list as the best candidates for urgent clinical trials, as these may turn out to be highly effective treatments or even cures for the coronavirus, especially in combination:

  • Hydroxychloroquine
  • Zinc
  • Vitamin D
  • IV vitamin C therapy
  • Ivermectin
Note that two out of the five on the list are FDA-approved prescription drugs. With trillions of dollars being thrown around as bailout money, we aren’t we spending just a few million dollars to run clinical trials on these low-cost candidates?

The answer, of course, is money. Big Pharma wants to skim big money off the pandemic, and they can’t earn billions from off-patent, generic prescription drugs like hydroxychloroquine.

We are now watching the entire world be strangled to death by Big Pharma because they don’t want a natural substance or a low-cost drug to be the “hero” of this story. They want to roll out mandatory vaccines, which means they must suppress all other therapies until they have their vaccines ready (with the medical police state vaccine tracking chips installed on everyone, to boot).

That’s why I say the people dying from coronavirus right now aren’t merely dying from coronavirus alone: They’re dying from ignorance that has been put in place by Big Tech censorship, Big Pharma disinformation and the pharma-controlled fake news media establishment that suppresses truthful information about treatments that could be working right now.
 
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Jesus Effin Christ....enough with the GOD DAMMED Washington Post and New York Times fact based stories. The 2 biggest FAKE NEWS OUTLETS in the world and the 2 who have pledged to do ALL THEY CAN TO DESTROY TRUMP.

I read this story yesterday and I thought those mother truckers. The death toll is being reported accurately. They are going out of the way to report EVERY SINGLE DEATH with BREAKING NEWS and updated the death count like it was keeping score of a baseball game.

The numbers aren't what these Socialists want or were hoping for. May or may not get there but in the meantime they will go ahead with more fake news that the death count is greater than what is being reported. It's propaganda reporting at its finest.
 

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You'd have to be crazy to buy horse medication.

You'd have to be even more crazy to get on a vent and think you'll survive.

Only 20% of people who get on a vent survive.



BREAKTHROUGH? Single dose of common agricultural drug Ivermectin found to “essentially eliminate all viral material” of COVID-19 coronavirus within 48 hours
A new study published in the journal Antiviral Research finds that Ivermectin, a common agricultural drug used as a de-wormer for cats, dogs, horses and livestock — achieves a 5000-fold reduction in replication of the SARS-cov-2 “Wuhan” coronavirus.

Ivermectin is sold at agricultural supply stores and online retailers such as Amazon.com. It’s normally sold as an edible paste or a sterile solution for injection into cattle and other livestock. The drug is FDA-approved for certain treatments, although not yet FDA approved for treatment of COVID-19. We are not recommending it for human consumption until more data are available.

The study, found here, is entitled, “The FDA-approved Drug Ivermectin inhibits the replication of SARS-CoV-2 in vitro.”

Here’s a screen shot of the study title, journal, publish date, study authors and permalink:



The abstract of the study describes the very strong potential of Ivermectin to inhibit viral replication in vitro. This was not a human clinical trial, of course, but the results make Ivermectin an immediate candidate for further study:

We report here that Ivermectin, an FDA-approved anti-parasitic previously shown to have broad-spectrum anti-viral activity in vitro, is an inhibitor of the causative virus (SARS-CoV-2), with a single addition to Vero-hSLAM cells 2 hours post infection with SARS-CoV-2 able to effect ?5000-fold reduction in viral RNA at 48 h. Ivermectin therefore warrants further investigation for possible benefits in humans.

Ivermectin is well known to exhibit strong anti-viral properties and is even documented to inhibit HIV replication. This is important to note, since the Wuhan coronavirus, an engineered biological weapon, uses HIV components as part of its infection and replication machinery. As described in the abstract:

Ivermectin is an FDA-approved broad spectrum anti-parasitic agent that in recent years we, along with other groups, have shown to have anti-viral activity against a broad range of viruses in vitro. Originally identified as an inhibitor of interaction between the human immunodeficiency virus-1 (HIV-1) integrase protein (IN) and the importin (IMP) ?/?1 heterodimer responsible for IN nuclear import, Ivermectin has since been confirmed to inhibit IN nuclear import and HIV-1 replication.

According to the published study, Ivermectin is known to inhibit the replication of:

  • Simian virus (SV40), which was placed into polio vaccines for many years in the United States.
  • Dengue virus (DENV)
  • West Nile Virus
  • Venezuelan equine encephalitis virus (VEEV)
  • Influenza
  • Pseudorabies virus (PRV)
“Essentially all viral material” was gone within 48 hours
Study authors describe how a single dose of Ivermectin achieved a 93% reduction of viral RNA was achieved within just 24 hours, with “essentially all viral material” gone in 48 hours.

At 24 h, there was a 93% reduction in viral RNA present in the supernatant (indicative of released virions) of samples treated with ivermectin compared to the vehicle DMSO. Similarly a 99.8% reduction in cell-associated viral RNA (indicative of unreleased and unpackaged virions) was observed with ivermectin treatment. By 48h this effect increased to an ?5000-fold reduction of viral RNA in ivermectin-treated compared to control samples, indicating that ivermectin treatment resulted in the effective loss of essentially all viral material by 48 h.



Furthermore, no toxicity was observed in the testing so far:

As we have observed previously no toxicity of ivermectin was observed at any of the timepoints tested, in either the sample wells or in parallel tested drug alone samples.

We now add Ivermectin to the list of candidates for low-cost, readily available treatments and possible cures
It’s criminal that Dr. Fauci and the Big Pharma establishment won’t talk about low-cost prescription drugs (like hydroxychloroquine) or simple nutritional supplements (zinc) that are available now and have a long track record of safe, effective use. Instead, they want the world to suffer and die while demanding we all wait for a vaccine that may or may not work.

In the context of this global pandemic, the active censorship of alternative treatments is nothing less than a crime against humanity.

Here are the drugs and nutrients we now list as the best candidates for urgent clinical trials, as these may turn out to be highly effective treatments or even cures for the coronavirus, especially in combination:

  • Hydroxychloroquine
  • Zinc
  • Vitamin D
  • IV vitamin C therapy
  • Ivermectin
Note that two out of the five on the list are FDA-approved prescription drugs. With trillions of dollars being thrown around as bailout money, we aren’t we spending just a few million dollars to run clinical trials on these low-cost candidates?

The answer, of course, is money. Big Pharma wants to skim big money off the pandemic, and they can’t earn billions from off-patent, generic prescription drugs like hydroxychloroquine.

We are now watching the entire world be strangled to death by Big Pharma because they don’t want a natural substance or a low-cost drug to be the “hero” of this story. They want to roll out mandatory vaccines, which means they must suppress all other therapies until they have their vaccines ready (with the medical police state vaccine tracking chips installed on everyone, to boot).

That’s why I say the people dying from coronavirus right now aren’t merely dying from coronavirus alone: They’re dying from ignorance that has been put in place by Big Tech censorship, Big Pharma disinformation and the pharma-controlled fake news media establishment that suppresses truthful information about treatments that could be working right now.
so i just need to point out:
1) in vitro means it has ONLY been tried in test tubes in a lab so far
2) even if it DOES work in actual humans, they do not know what the dose required is, and it might be too high for humans to handle
 

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so i just need to point out:
1) in vitro means it has ONLY been tried in test tubes in a lab so far
2) even if it DOES work in actual humans, they do not know what the dose required is, and it might be too high for humans to handle
I'm going to get a Rx for:


Same as ivermectin.

Here is the dosing for general use in humans:


I'm not going to die with a vent while Big Pharma makes me wait for a vaccine while those crooks rob us blind.

I have the internet, my own doctor that I pay a fortune to belong to his practice, and a credit card.

I also might get a Rx for hydro.

If people want to listen to Dr. Fauci and die with the rest of NYC, be my guest.

Trump is suggesting proven treatments while Big Pharma is censoring anyone who is not on board with the Big Pharma crooks.
 

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"Here is the dosing for general use in humans: ..."

I did not say the normal dose, i said the dose required to kill coronavirus in a human...which MIGHT be massively bigger.

but i agree, stocking up might be wise. once you go on that ventilator, it is a fast trip down to hades!
 

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WHOA! Dr. Fauci in 2017: President Trump Will Be Challenged By a "Surprise Global Disease Outbreak" (VIDEO)

Come again?
Back in 2017 at forum on pandemic preparedness at Georgetown University Dr. Fauci made an interesting statement. Fauci told the audience the Trump administration will not only be challenged by ongoing global health threats such as influenza and HIV, but also a surprise disease outbreak.

That was quite a prediction considering it was back in 2017!


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WHOA! Dr. Fauci in 2017: President Trump Will Be Challenged By a "Surprise Global Disease Outbreak" (VIDEO)

Come again?
Back in 2017 at forum on pandemic preparedness at Georgetown University Dr. Fauci made an interesting statement. Fauci told the audience the Trump administration will not only be challenged by ongoing global health threats such as influenza and HIV, but also a surprise disease outbreak.

That was quite a prediction considering it was back in 2017!


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Gosh, wouldn't it have been NICE if someone in a position of power, like a doctor in charge of an agency, say back in 2017, got the government to order 100 million N95 masks? You know....just in case.....

The guy is a dickhead
 
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Gosh, wouldn't it have been NICE if someone in a position of power, like a doctor in charge of an agency, say back in 2017, got the government to order 100 million N95 masks? You know....just in case.....

The guy is a dickhead
It wasn't his job to order the supplies. It's the government, someone else fills out the G-XXX, I believe it's a 214 or something like that. Then you have to take bids. Unless it's an established vendor, which with an order that large, I'm sure it still has to go out to contract and not the GSA.
 

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View: https://smile.amazon.com/Ivermectin-Paste-Dewormer-Flavor-6-Pack/dp/B01M1GPOA8/ref=sr_1_6?dchild=1&keywords=Ivermectin&qid=1586159251&refinements=p_85%3A2470955011&rnid=2470954011&rps=1&sr=8-6&th=1

One syringe contains sufficient paste to treat one 1250 lb horse at the recommended dose rate of 91 mcg ivermectin per lb (200 mcg/kg) body weight. Each weight marking on the syringe plunger delivers enough paste to treat 250 lb body weight.

Please refer to label for complete use directions.



You'd have to be crazy to buy horse medication.

You'd have to be even more crazy to get on a vent and think you'll survive.

Only 20% of people who get on a vent survive.



BREAKTHROUGH? Single dose of common agricultural drug Ivermectin found to “essentially eliminate all viral material” of COVID-19 coronavirus within 48 hours
A new study published in the journal Antiviral Research finds that Ivermectin, a common agricultural drug used as a de-wormer for cats, dogs, horses and livestock — achieves a 5000-fold reduction in replication of the SARS-cov-2 “Wuhan” coronavirus.

Ivermectin is sold at agricultural supply stores and online retailers such as Amazon.com. It’s normally sold as an edible paste or a sterile solution for injection into cattle and other livestock. The drug is FDA-approved for certain treatments, although not yet FDA approved for treatment of COVID-19. We are not recommending it for human consumption until more data are available.

The study, found here, is entitled, “The FDA-approved Drug Ivermectin inhibits the replication of SARS-CoV-2 in vitro.”

Here’s a screen shot of the study title, journal, publish date, study authors and permalink:



The abstract of the study describes the very strong potential of Ivermectin to inhibit viral replication in vitro. This was not a human clinical trial, of course, but the results make Ivermectin an immediate candidate for further study:

We report here that Ivermectin, an FDA-approved anti-parasitic previously shown to have broad-spectrum anti-viral activity in vitro, is an inhibitor of the causative virus (SARS-CoV-2), with a single addition to Vero-hSLAM cells 2 hours post infection with SARS-CoV-2 able to effect ?5000-fold reduction in viral RNA at 48 h. Ivermectin therefore warrants further investigation for possible benefits in humans.

Ivermectin is well known to exhibit strong anti-viral properties and is even documented to inhibit HIV replication. This is important to note, since the Wuhan coronavirus, an engineered biological weapon, uses HIV components as part of its infection and replication machinery. As described in the abstract:

Ivermectin is an FDA-approved broad spectrum anti-parasitic agent that in recent years we, along with other groups, have shown to have anti-viral activity against a broad range of viruses in vitro. Originally identified as an inhibitor of interaction between the human immunodeficiency virus-1 (HIV-1) integrase protein (IN) and the importin (IMP) ?/?1 heterodimer responsible for IN nuclear import, Ivermectin has since been confirmed to inhibit IN nuclear import and HIV-1 replication.

According to the published study, Ivermectin is known to inhibit the replication of:

  • Simian virus (SV40), which was placed into polio vaccines for many years in the United States.
  • Dengue virus (DENV)
  • West Nile Virus
  • Venezuelan equine encephalitis virus (VEEV)
  • Influenza
  • Pseudorabies virus (PRV)
“Essentially all viral material” was gone within 48 hours
Study authors describe how a single dose of Ivermectin achieved a 93% reduction of viral RNA was achieved within just 24 hours, with “essentially all viral material” gone in 48 hours.

At 24 h, there was a 93% reduction in viral RNA present in the supernatant (indicative of released virions) of samples treated with ivermectin compared to the vehicle DMSO. Similarly a 99.8% reduction in cell-associated viral RNA (indicative of unreleased and unpackaged virions) was observed with ivermectin treatment. By 48h this effect increased to an ?5000-fold reduction of viral RNA in ivermectin-treated compared to control samples, indicating that ivermectin treatment resulted in the effective loss of essentially all viral material by 48 h.



Furthermore, no toxicity was observed in the testing so far:

As we have observed previously no toxicity of ivermectin was observed at any of the timepoints tested, in either the sample wells or in parallel tested drug alone samples.

We now add Ivermectin to the list of candidates for low-cost, readily available treatments and possible cures
It’s criminal that Dr. Fauci and the Big Pharma establishment won’t talk about low-cost prescription drugs (like hydroxychloroquine) or simple nutritional supplements (zinc) that are available now and have a long track record of safe, effective use. Instead, they want the world to suffer and die while demanding we all wait for a vaccine that may or may not work.

In the context of this global pandemic, the active censorship of alternative treatments is nothing less than a crime against humanity.

Here are the drugs and nutrients we now list as the best candidates for urgent clinical trials, as these may turn out to be highly effective treatments or even cures for the coronavirus, especially in combination:

  • Hydroxychloroquine
  • Zinc
  • Vitamin D
  • IV vitamin C therapy
  • Ivermectin
Note that two out of the five on the list are FDA-approved prescription drugs. With trillions of dollars being thrown around as bailout money, we aren’t we spending just a few million dollars to run clinical trials on these low-cost candidates?

The answer, of course, is money. Big Pharma wants to skim big money off the pandemic, and they can’t earn billions from off-patent, generic prescription drugs like hydroxychloroquine.

We are now watching the entire world be strangled to death by Big Pharma because they don’t want a natural substance or a low-cost drug to be the “hero” of this story. They want to roll out mandatory vaccines, which means they must suppress all other therapies until they have their vaccines ready (with the medical police state vaccine tracking chips installed on everyone, to boot).

That’s why I say the people dying from coronavirus right now aren’t merely dying from coronavirus alone: They’re dying from ignorance that has been put in place by Big Tech censorship, Big Pharma disinformation and the pharma-controlled fake news media establishment that suppresses truthful information about treatments that could be working right now.
You can buy it on chewy.com (does need a prescription but that's easy to get from your vet).


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You can buy it on chewy.com (does need a prescription but that's easy to get from your vet).


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Since the last night, after watching Bronx zoo's Covid 19 infected tiger on our television, none of our dogs recall where their stash of Heartgard went.
 
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It wasn't his job to order the supplies. It's the government, someone else fills out the G-XXX, I believe it's a 214 or something like that. Then you have to take bids. Unless it's an established vendor, which with an order that large, I'm sure it still has to go out to contract and not the GSA.
It's never anyone's job in government to show true leadership. It's always the red tape and it's not my job that continually allows government to fail.
 
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These guys never miss a chance to create fear.

Just like a few people with the virus died and we didn't know it, thousands had the virus, survived and moved on, and we wre not counting them.

The articles obsession with only counting dead, rather than total number of infected is a clear indication of their agenda and poor reporting.

My guess is the death count is not as high as they would like so they need to create something.

Total death rate is well below 1%.

let's measure the flu the way COVID-19 is measured by the news. Let's forget total number of infected and instead we will focus on the only people that would get tested, those that end up in the hospital. Based on CDC numbers (I used the highest of each), flu death rate is around 8.6%. this high percentage is what happens when you ignore everything else, just like they do with COVID-19. Therefore, the number is sh*t.


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The Pentagon mandated Sunday that everyone at Defense Department facilities cover their faces in an effort to stop the spread of coronavirus.

"Effective immediately, to the extent practical, all individuals on DoD property, installations, and facilities will wear cloth face coverings when they cannot maintain six feet of social distance in public areas or work centers," Defense Secretary Mark Esper said in a memo to Pentagon officials.

The rule extended to all military personnel, civilian employees, family members, contractors and other people on Defense Department property -- but not to service members' homes, the memo added.

The new restrictions represented a new Pentagon effort to stick to guidance issued by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention [CDC], which recommends wearing facial coverings in public to limit exposure to COVID-19.
The Pentagon suggested people use household items and common materials, such as clean T-shirts or cloths to cover the nose and mouth, but specified that N95 surgical masks were being reserved for medical personnel.
 

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Before you all rush out to buy ivermectin. As pointed out above, the Caly study of ivermectin vs SARS-CoV-2 was done in test tubes. Concentration needed to reduce viral replication by 50% over 2 days is 2.8uM.

The most common human dose of ivermectin is 200mcg/kg. This produces a peak plasma level (highest amount of drug in the bloodstream) of 40 ng/ml. (that's nanograms...one billionth of a gram)
Unless my college chemistry is failing me, 2.8 uM of ivermectin is the equivalent of a plasma concentration of 2100 ng/ml. So the typical human dose of ivermectin is more than an order of magnitude less than the amount in the Caly paper on ivermectin in SARS-CoV-2.

Unfortunately, ivermectin has well known neurotoxicity (including coma) rarely at normal doses, and certainly at high doses...and especially in those patients with other severe illness that impairs the blood-brain-barrier. So while it is possible a much smaller dose will be effective, and/or that the risk of side-effects at higher doses will pale in comparison to the risk presented by severe COVID19, I'd be pretty reluctant to have my morning coffee with a splash of Ivomec sheep drench.
 
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Before you all rush out to buy ivermectin. As pointed out above, the Caly study of ivermectin vs SARS-CoV-2 was done in test tubes. Concentration needed to reduce viral replication by 50% over 2 days is 2.8uM.

The most common human dose of ivermectin is 200mcg/kg. This produces a peak plasma level (highest amount of drug in the bloodstream) of 40 ng/ml. (that's nanograms...one billionth of a gram)
Unless my college chemistry is failing me, 2.8 uM of ivermectin is the equivalent of a plasma concentration of 2100 ng/ml. So the typical human dose of ivermectin is more than an order of magnitude less than the amount in the Caly paper on ivermectin in SARS-CoV-2.

Unfortunately, ivermectin has well known neurotoxicity (including coma) rarely at normal doses, and certainly at high doses...and especially in those patients with other severe illness that impairs the blood-brain-barrier. So while it is possible a much smaller dose will be effective and/or that the risk of side-effects will pale in comparison to the risk presented by severe COVID19, I'd be pretty reluctant to have my morning coffee with a splash of Ivomec sheep drench.
Good point and more sciencey than my take was going to be. I don’t use that stuff on my dogs. Lost a dog to that stuff. Not saying all dogs will die from it. Obviously they don’t. Lots of people I know won’t use it on dogs. Some say it’s so toxic, you’re better off chancing heart worms.

Same goes for the rabies vaccine. One of my dogs, a beagle, a ruby beagle, has seizures for months after get the shot. So, when he turned 10, we stopped the vaccines and he stopped having seizures.

So yeah. I’m staying away from the dog medicine on this case.
 

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If you believe Boris Johnson wasn't put in the hospital to be put on a ventilator, you're fooling yourself. He's had the virus for over a week, his condition hasn't improved, and he hasn't be heard from since Friday, in what was likely a recorded message.

Also, the Queen made only her fourth address to the UK in her near 70 year reign the same day the PM was admitted to the hospital. That's not coincidence, that's damage control.
What I just said.
Actually you implied or at best suggested

People are admitted to the hospital for Wu Flu a;; the time with courses of action that dont include vets

Also.....Wu Flu in and of itself is a significant enoygh event to prompt a response from queen

She has no power, is not part of chain of succession, she's just a figurehead....a well loved figureurehead both in the UK AND Canada for various reasons

Besides....news says otherwise

 

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Thats interesting, it is MSN after all

Here's reporting that indicates that the deaths attributed to Wu Flu are OVER estimated/counted


In other news, the "models"/guessing by medical "experts" continues to be waaaaay over guestimated/flat out wrong.......we shut down the economy over bad advice.........lets not forget.....these same people have been behind Obamacare all these years......why anyone would take their advice is mind boggling

 
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