Another respiratory virus from China (Coronavirus Megathread)

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What the hell is the rationale for certain governors forbidding the use of chloroquine? They know better than actual doctors or something?
Same as the masks. My take is the ‘ban’ on use is not as it is represented and they are trying to avoid the same situation they have with masks and TP by trying to control the distribution.

I could be reading that wrong, but it is my takeaway. I am not taking a stance here on it one way or the other, just trying to clarify.
 

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Unbelieveable. I'd let them fire me. Or just quit and find another job.

This is a s stupid as something I just read where Trader Joe's doesn't want their employees wearing gloves because they want things to appear normal.
Situations like this is where you go into work - and when your supervisor threatens you with termination because you're wearing your own personal N95 mask - you start any response with " I was talking with my Jewish lawyer this morning................... so be very careful what you say past this point Mr. Supervisor......................... "
 

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Well that is really the question of the day - isn't it?

What is the "acceptable number of deaths"?

As a society - we've already demonstrated MULTIPLE TIMES OVER HUNDREDS OF YEARS - that death is "acceptable".
Lol, the answer is "kinda". It depends on how said death is normalized, or not, etc.

The 24hr news cycle also makes people soft / causes memetic values to be skewed / causes loss of perspective .

It's the same reason why people lose their shit over a handful of kids getting shot in a school, meanwhile more children the same age probably die of cancer every month, etc, and noody
cares... because the camera isn't on the kids with the cancer, or at least not as much.

When the spanish flu happened nobody gave a shit about piles of bodies because it was a newspaper article like 3 days after it
happened. Skip to mar 2020 we now live in a world where we have 24/7 coverage where some "news" outlet is basically just taking pictures of people dying
constantly.

Thus, "ncov deaths = above normal important" because the media freaks out about it.

-Mike
 
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Lol, the answer is "kinda". It depends on how said death is normalized, or not, etc.

The 24hr news cycle also makes people soft / causes memetic values to be skewed / causes loss of perspective .

It's the same reason why people lose their shit over a handful of kids getting shot in a school, meanwhile more children the same age probably die of cancer every month, etc, and noody
cares... because the camera isn't on the kids with the cancer, or at least not as much.

When the spanish flu happened nobody gave a shit about piles of bodies because it was a newspaper article like 3 days after it
happened. Skip to mar 2020 we now live in a world where we have 24/7 coverage where some "news" outlet is basically just taking pictures of people dying
constantly.

Thus, "ncov deaths = above normal important" because the media freaks out about it.

-Mike
Yeah but, think of all the flu deaths this is preventing too....
 

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You see this is exactly the type of thing that makes me think " Ok - what the hell is REALLY going on here, because it's becoming increasingly apparent that it's not about any virus that might be floating around out there - the actions taken by "authorities" seem to consistently fall into line with the assertion that they're just trying to screw things up on purpose"
 

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It doesn't help that a bunch of shitheads bought them all in like January or something and probably shipped them into china. [laugh] Even if the CDC told everyone in public to wear masks, there's no way even a quarter of the population could obtain them even if they wanted to.

-Mike
I don't think people buying them had anything to do with it - I read a few days ago that standard hospital use of N95 masks is about 4,000 per day. They are running through over 40,000 per day as everyone needs to be wearing PPE and they need to be changing them often. That and the simple fact that MOST n95 mask manufacturing by companies like 3M takes place in China
 

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You see this is exactly the type of thing that makes me think " Ok - what the hell is REALLY going on here, because it's becoming increasingly apparent that it's not about any virus that might be floating around out there - the actions taken by "authorities" seem to consistently fall into line with the assertion that they're just trying to screw things up on purpose"
They do seem to be making horrible decisions but in this particular case, a correction to the article notes:

"The story has been corrected to say that Gov. Steve Sisolak's order barring the use of anti-malaria drugs for someone who has the coronavirus does not apply to patients who are hospitalized with coronavirus. "

e.g. don't consume aquarium cleaner.
 

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Another one refusing to understand that the go time was missed long time ago. [slap]

Dude, I and everybody I know, we are operating only in a survival mode. I must say that we, Americans, think if we do not learn it, we may never need it, or it will just ignore us. We refuse to learn from our own history hoping our bright future will outshine the darkness of our past.

In 1972, historian Alfred Crosby introduced the term Columbian Exchange to refer to the interchange of plants, animals, bacteria, and peoples that occurred between the Old World (Eurasia and Africa) and the New World (the Americas and Australia) following the arrival of Christopher Columbus in the Americas in 1492. One of the most profound and far-reaching effects of that exchange concerned microorganisms and the diseases they caused.

In the Old World, epidemic crowd diseases had evolved along with the earliest civilizations, but they had no equivalents in the New World. When the new diseases spread to the Americas and to peoples who had never experienced them before, the results were dramatic and sometimes catastrophic. The interhemispheric disease exchange resulted in what has been called the "greatest demographic disaster in human history." Millions died.

The list of diseases introduced to the New World is long, and nearly all that could be supported in a temperate environment appeared in present-day Oregon. The most deadly were smallpox, malaria, viral influenza, yellow fever, measles, typhus, bubonic plague, typhoid fever, cholera, and pertussis (whooping cough). Among these, half appeared in epidemic form in Oregon during the first century of contact, from the late 1700s through the mid-1800s.

It has been hypothesized that Oregon and the West Coast participated in the first great pandemic of introduced epidemic disease—smallpox in 1519 and the years following (introduced to the mainland concurrent with Cortez's conquest of Mexico)—but there is no definitive proof of this anywhere in the Northwest. Whenever the first epidemics appeared, they had wide-ranging effects far beyond demographic decline. Cumulative evidence suggests that cultural unfamiliarity with the new diseases—that is, people did not know how to treat them—and the lack of effective medicines may have been as or more important than biological resistance, genetic or acquired, in accounting for the high mortalities. The loss of population resulted in abandoned and consolidated villages, the breakdown of social and political structures, and the loss of cumulated knowledge possessed by specialists (in a culture without written records), making the epidemics cultural as well as biological disasters.
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What we are experiencing is the failure of globalization, failure of our policies forced upon us by sweet talking donks, failure of open borders, failure of our intelligence,.....Those who will survive shall never go back to this failure.

Exactly.

The change is already happening. All of the transgenders have already stopped their whining and complaining - for example. Before the virus people must have had too much free time on their hands to be putting up with all of that crap. After the virus - and especially if a lot of people end up dying from it - I don't think people will willingly return to the same old state of affairs vis a vi the constant barrage of BS that emenates from the left.
 

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Maybe I'm missing something, but there is nothing more capitalistic than moving production to a place cheaper than where it is now.
On the surface that statement is true. If you use your freedom to choose servitude for yourself, are you still free? Where is the line?
 

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I don't think people buying them had anything to do with it - I read a few days ago that standard hospital use of N95 masks is about 4,000 per day. They are running through over 40,000 per day as everyone needs to be wearing PPE and they need to be changing them often. That and the simple fact that MOST n95 mask manufacturing by companies like 3M takes place in China
Lol, the thing is the supplies got drained out long before these cases started hitting US hospitals.

I am looking, there are some now but they're all stupidly priced.

-Mike
 

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Very interesting sudden turn. Our President predicted this will happen eventually.


The European Union’s top diplomat has fired a warning shot at China’s “politics of generosity”, amid a growing sense of unease over Beijing’s targeted strategy to help certain European countries with medical supplies to fight Covid-19, the disease caused by the new
coronavirus.

In an unusual choice of language, the bloc’s foreign policy chief Josep Borrell called on EU countries to stand ready for a “struggle for influence” in a “global battle of narratives”.

While Beijing has called its campaign to send millions of face masks to Europe – current epicentre of the pandemic – a show of solidarity and friendship, Borrell cast light on its geopolitical significance in a blog post released by EU External Action, the agency he leads.

The Chinese embassy to France, for instance, posted a series of tweets claiming the US government had covered up a coronavirus outbreak last year as flu cases, deflecting claims that Covid-19 originated in China.

“Following the surprise closure last July of the largest American research centre for biochemical weapons, the Fort Detrick base in Maryland, a series of pneumonia or similar cases have occurred in the United States,” one of the tweets claimed.
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THIS is what I was afraid of.
Don't worry they are just looking for an excuse. [laugh]


That study couldn't be more worthless. They took a small group of people, who they had no baseline numbers for and compare them to a random set of stats. Not a control group. It's likely any future studies will be useless because of a lack of baseline pre-clovid numbers on anyone tested. In that age group people aren't typically getting their T levels checked. That's about 15-20 yrs too soon for that. The only reason they would have the T levels of a sample group before the virus is if the members of the group were already seeking medical help for other T or reproductive problems.
 

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Lol I bet most of these are "ORANGE MAN BAD" types, and "cuz trump is for it we must be against it" etc, politicizing medication...
I used to joke hyperbolically that if Trump came out with a cure for cancer, the left would support cancer.

Then, it really happened, but with a virus instead of cancer. These f tards are literally supporting a virus.
 
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"wives" .... never understand or can appreciate what "real" humor is.

their loss
My wife and I have been together for 18 yrs. Just over half her life. I actually have to try to get a reaction out of her. Some of my favorite interaction are when she cracks a joke I would have, or was about to, make and we both die laughing. People down here look at us like were crazy. They just don't get yankee humor down here. [rofl2] This may not be a flyover state, but sarcasm sure flies overhead here.
 
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You see this is exactly the type of thing that makes me think " Ok - what the hell is REALLY going on here, because it's becoming increasingly apparent that it's not about any virus that might be floating around out there - the actions taken by "authorities" seem to consistently fall into line with the assertion that they're just trying to screw things up on purpose"
Nice way to out yourself there.................who gives a rats ass what religion your lawyer is???

Oh right.....
 
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Which is why I keep going back to the hospital situation and lack of commercial masks being a consequence of massive/systemic f*** up on part of hospital administrators/management across the country who failed utterly/completely to maintain any sort of stock of necessary protective equipment for staff

Because of that they've been telling people they dont need masks so they can raid the commercial market/supplies of PPE/N95's that they dont usually use.....

The "N95's" hospitals use are a little different than commercial masks generally speaking


And the BS about "Fit"?......if you can tie your shoes......

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPOzCG4DrgQ
 

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I tried to verify this with some searching. I am not 100%, but I think it may be bs.
I would not be so quick to call BS on this. There are other similar reports.

Example: "mouthguards" translation = surgical masks
Staff at Sahlgrenska are encouraged to work without a mouth guard

GothenburgOn Wednesday, staff at Sahlgrenska Hospital received new directives on how to work with patients suspected of being infected by the coronavirus - they will no longer wear oral protection. A routine that goes against the recommendations of the Public Health Authority. The trade unions have now written a request for a work environment measure that can be sent to the Swedish Work Environment Authority.
- It doesn't feel safe. Suddenly, you are both scared, sad and worried about your work situation, says Isabelle Yalcintas, safety representative for the municipality.
The request is made by the safety representatives at the emergency room and MAVA, the medical emergency department, at Sahlgrenska. It is in these departments as well as in ambulance care that you primarily encounter patients with suspected covid-19. The instruction to not use oral protection came on Wednesday.
- "It's not necessary". We asked where the directives came from and why. We pointed out that this is an urgent problem and we need answers to these questions now, ”says Isabelle Yalcintas, Municipal Security Officer .

Have you received any response from the employer?

- That was what we were looking for yesterday but everyone should come back to us. Since we feel that we do not have time to wait for an answer, we had to do this, says Isabelle Yalcintas and refers to the request for work environment measures that several unions have now written together.

The trade unions request, among other things, that the employer follows the recommendation of the Public Health Authority on adequate protective equipment in case of infection or suspected infection of covid-19. The Authority's recommendations state that "liquid-repellent mouthguards in combination with visors or goggles provide an adequate barrier protection for healthcare personnel in connection with both sampling and care".

Have staff now cared for people with suspected covid-19 without mouth guard?

- I saw staff who did it yesterday and I also have workmates who have used mouthguards anyway, because they are scared. I think it's been a little mixed, but that's what we've been given, that we shouldn't use mouthguards, ”Isabelle Yalcintas says.

The security officials have stated in the request that they want a reply no later than 15 o'clock on Thursday. If answers are not received or if they are not satisfied with the answer, the request will be sent to the Swedish Work Environment Authority.

Björn Andersson, chief physician of the Sahglrenska hospital, responds by mail.

"According to the routine that applies in the Västra Götaland region and at the Sahlgrenska University Hospital, employees should use either a visor alone, or a combination of safety glasses and liquid-repellent mouthguards in contact with suspected infected patients and confirmed infected patients.

These are the guidelines we currently have to follow. The guidelines have been developed regionally and were decided on March 18, they may be further adjusted based on new knowledge about the spread of infection. The care hygiene routines are constantly updated with the aim of minimizing the risk of infection and safe working environment for hospital staff.

According to VGR, these days, a new routine (from FHM, SKR and Smittskyddet) is expected to come up regarding covid-19 protective equipment. "
 
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No - the dropoff is due to revised testing guidance - They are no longer testing Outpatients - Only those who they plan to admit due to severe symptoms - THose who are not yet ready to go to the ICU get to continue to get sicker at home and without having been tested
Well, that certainly would have an impact on the % positive increasing.

But again, I would point out that the national trend is an exponentially increasing number of tests being performed. With the % positive staying fairly stable. I.e. as we exponentially increase testing, we find the same number of positive cases per 100 tests. In NY, the number of tests being performed is NOT increasing exponentially. So this needs to be factored in to the decrease in the rate of change of positive cases. If we were expanding testing capacity in NY at an exponential rate, AND we saw the % positive increase, the inpatient/outpatient testing criteria would explain the % positive increase. But the number of test being performed and the rate of increase is a huge variable here that very few are accounting for.
 
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