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This is something that I don't understand...

I enjoy browsing the NES Classifieds almost everyday...wishing that a had a sh!t load of money. Anyway, some ads just sound angry. I've seen ads like:


  • Don't be a dick this is the price
  • I've been jerked around in the past...don't f**k with me or you'll get neg feedback
  • I don't have time to answer stupid questions

I am sure we have all seen them. I don't ever consider buying the items cause the ad rubs me the wrong way. I am just not sure if this is the best way to sell items.

That being said...I've only met terrific individuals buying and selling on NES.

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This is something that I don't understand...

I enjoy browsing the NES Classifieds almost everyday...wishing that a had a sh!t load of money. Anyway, some ads just sound angry. I've seen ads like:


  • Don't be a dick this is the price
  • I've been jerked around in the past...don't f**k with me or you'll get neg feedback
  • I don't have time to answer stupid questions

I am sure we have all seen them. I don't ever consider buying the items cause the ad rubs me the wrong way. I am just not sure if this is the best way to sell items.

That being said...I've only met terrific individuals buying and selling on NES.

End of vent. Thanks
When it happens to you, you'll be more understanding.
 

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When a guy insists on discussing the history of Colt Sistemas, then wants pictures of every nook and cranny of the gun, then asks for the history of the gun, then talks about his friend's Sistema for a week, then tells you he can get one at Sarco for cheaper after 300 PM's and 100 texts- then you will understand.
 

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I agree with the OP. I would not buy from these people either.

ETA You're selling something on the classifieds because you don't want to pay a middle man or trade the gun in and get less money. The 'grief' you put up with when dealing with buyers is part of the reason you are getting more money. You don't need to insult all the people who read your ad because you don't like tire kickers.
 
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When it happens to you, you'll be more understanding.
That's happened to me many times and I still don't find the need to take it out on every potential buyer. The "warning" doesn't scare away the strokers who clearly don't read the ad in full but it does deter otherwise curious parties who may have a few questions. Sellers need to not get their panties in a bunch and learn when to cut their losses when someone is wasting their time.
 
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When a guy insists on discussing the history of Colt Sistemas, then wants pictures of every nook and cranny of the gun, then asks for the history of the gun, then talks about his friend's Sistema for a week, then tells you he can get one at Sarco for cheaper after 300 PM's and 100 texts- then you will understand.
^^^i understand this cause i deal with it a lot on CL in addition to people wanting to trade you junk when the ad says no trades, low balling you, wanting you to drive to them to meet, etc...but...

I agree with the OP. I would not buy from these people either.

ETA You're selling something on the classifieds because you don't want to pay a middle man or trade the gun in and get less money. The 'grief' you put up with when dealing with buyers is part of the reason you are getting more money. You don't need to insult all the people who read your ad because you don't like tire kickers.
...i do this ^^^...putting that extra angry text in there doesn't give people the warm fuzzies about buying something from you let alone a firearm...it doesn't add any value to the ad and doesn't help you sell it...personally i wouldn't consider buying something from an ad like that...deal with the individual you have an issue with not the people reading the ad...bitching in the ad doesn't really make much sense
 

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This is something that I don't understand...

I enjoy browsing the NES Classifieds almost everyday...wishing that a had a sh!t load of money. Anyway, some ads just sound angry. I've seen ads like:


  • Don't be a dick this is the price
  • I've been jerked around in the past...don't f**k with me or you'll get neg feedback
  • I don't have time to answer stupid questions

I am sure we have all seen them. I don't ever consider buying the items cause the ad rubs me the wrong way. I am just not sure if this is the best way to sell items.

That being said...I've only met terrific individuals buying and selling on NES.

End of vent. Thanks

People turn into dicks because they don't know how to write an ad properly and set their own terms. There's a bunch of ways you can cut off 80% of the junk at the pass.

-Mike
 

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I agree with the OP. I would not buy from these people either.

ETA You're selling something on the classifieds because you don't want to pay a middle man or trade the gun in and get less money. The 'grief' you put up with when dealing with buyers is part of the reason you are getting more money. You don't need to insult all the people who read your ad because you don't like tire kickers.
The fun thing is that if these folks wrote their ads properly, and conducted business better, their "grief" level would be pretty much zero. [laugh]

-Mike
 
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The fun thing is that if these folks wrote their ads properly, and conducted business better, their "grief" level would be pretty much zero. [laugh]

-Mike
yup...i have my own set of rules when selling things on CL...i do my best to stick to them so i don't get burnt...most of them are common sense though
 

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Here's a few tips for the uninitiated....

-In a non-dickish way, put all your terms in the ad. Anything you can think of.

-Accurately describe the item. Include pictures. Non shitty pictures. Describe all the accessories you have, if any.

-Be exacting with your pricing terms. If it's "$500 OBO" or some crap like "$500 OBO, also entertaining trades" don't get all huffy and butthurt when you get flooded with a bunch of retard lowball offers, or some guy offering $50 and a 50 gallon fishtank for your preban AK or whatever it is. Actually list what you want for the item. If the price is good someone will buy it. If it's not everyone will ignore it until you get in the ballpark. Negotiating is overrated- and if you're actually good at it, you're not going to get butthurt anyways so this doesn't apply to you. For everyone else, just list what you want to sell it for and you'll make everyone's life a lot easier. If you don't want trades, list NO TRADES up front. List your travel terms, up front. List your preferred FFLs, up front.

-If you're not prepared to waste a lot of time, don't entertain trades. It's not that trading sucks completely, it's that its odds of working are a lot lower.

-GET THE PERSON ON THE PHONE. Deals set up strictly by texting or PMs are 1000 times more likely to fail. I don't care if that's how millenials do business, it's ****ing retarded. You have to take it to the next level. The SOLE exception to this is if you already know who you're dealing with or trust them because someone else you know has dealt with them, etc. If it's just some random unwashed guy, get a phone number, make a call. You can tell a lot about a buyer/seller in a 5 minute conversation. If they're not willing to talk on the phone you know you're dealing with a flake or someone that doesn't actually want the item, and your time will be better spent on other leads.

-Don't close your ad until the deal is closed. Don't even edit it to SPF, etc. You can always politely reply to inquiries and say its sold later, etc. This way if a lead falls through you simply can go onto the next
one without wasting time.

-A deal for less money with someone you know (and have done business with before) is always better than making the extra 25 bucks or whatever it is from some random pud. When buyers trust you, its easy to get them to come to you to pick up the item(s).

-If someone screws you over, blows you off (without calling at least, etc) ACTUALLY NEG THEM ON ITRADER. There is a league of wussbags around here that never neg anyone, yet they start a thread on here bitching about some deal that went bad. If more people actually used itrader the way it was intended (to show the quality of a buyer/seller) life would be easier.

-Be Flexible. Tee up the ball. Drive the ship. If the buyer seems a little space cadet-ish, ask them what their location is and do the legwork for the meet location yourself ahead of time. If you ask the buyer "find a place to meet and call me back" you probably just lost the sale.... It's easier to close when you're like "Let's meet at so and so dunks on main st in Pudsville, hows 7 pm tomorrow night work for you?" or "I can meet you at XYZ FFL on thursday he's still open till 8 pm lets meet at 7:00, or if that doesn't work for you, I got Saturday at 10 am open... he'll be open then too." "I should be able to get there by then... just bring $750 cash and I'll be in the grey tacoma pickup. " You've basically given the buyer everything on a silver platter. If it's a gun sale, roll the price of the transfer (if any) into the cost of the gun and just offer to pay the transfer. This avoids the entire discussion about who pays, etc. Then all the pud has to do is show up with the money, look at (whatever) and give you the money. In general the more flexible you are willing to be the easier it will be to close a sale. I've had some good buyers even recognize the effort. Classic example- awhile ago I drove all the way down to the cape to bring BONESTOCK some primers during one of the supply crunches. He bought me breakfast. People don't do these kinds of things if you're an ass. It literally is that simple. The guys who whine about having to drive far, and all that kind of crap, don't make sales, or their sales are more difficult.

Then after you sell the item, you can go into dunks and get yourself a coffee... because we all know that:

(NSFW)
 
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i have a similar list of rules for CL but some may help...this is more geared towards motorcycles though...

selling anything on CL:

- information - put as much information in the ad as you can...specs, manufacturer websites, condition, year/make/model #, title status, maintenance done, modifications done, manufacturers of modifications, any extras included, etc...this tells a potential buyer "hey this person knows their sh!t!" which may also make the potential buyer feel like if the seller does their homework and maintains things well

- pictures - people love them so the more the better (a picture is worth a thousand words, right?)...take photos of all angles, show any blemishes on the item (to an extent), tire wear, show a photo of the odometer (if it's a bike) cause people would rather buy from someone that is honest...i think CL allows 12 pictures so use them all if you think you have to and use a real camera not a camera phone if it's a big money item so you can show the detail

- video - if the item is something that works take a video of it, upload it to youtube and post the youtube link in the ad...the link won't work in the CL ad (due to some of the new changes) but just type "copy and paste youtube link below into your browser for video of ...." above the youtube link...if it's a bike take a video of you starting the bike and do a quick walk around showing that all the signals, lights, horn, work...maybe rev it a little and done...this will make a potential buyer have a warm feeling knowing that the item they may buy works as it should...i think this is the reason my motorcycles sold somewhat quickly

- price - state your price in the ad title...some people won't even bother looking at it if it doesn't have a price...either post a firm price and wait it out till you get your number or you may want to start high and drop it as you go cause no matter what you do you will get people who will try to talk you down so if you give them a little money off they will think they are getting a deal...i usually just go with a firm price and stick to it cause i hate haggling and i'm usually in no rush to sell anything...so if you don't like it, go pound sand...sometimes i will state that the price is firm if i am getting a lot of calls on it or i don't want to sell it for less or entertain offers

- condition - clean/fix/maintain it before you show/sell or take photos/video of it...all about presentation

- scams - every time you post/renew your ad you will probably get scam emails...so put something in the ad to tell real buyers to type something in the subject line to help weed out the garbage emails

- flaggers/flagging bots - if you have had issues with them (as i have) put the text of your ad into a photo

- renewing - i renew once a week and set reminder in my phone for it so i remember to do it cause reposting 20 expired items is a pain..if you want it to sell faster maybe you want to renew more often...just don't piss off the flagging trolls

- serious buyers will call you...if they text or email you tell them to call you...this will help you get a feel for the person as well as weed out the non-serious buyers and flakes that may waste your time

- never meet a buyer at your house or give out your address due to thieves...if you can transport it put it in your vehicle and bring it to a public place like a supermarket that is convenient for you, or meet somewhere on your way to somewhere that you are going anyway...if you can ride it do the same thing...cause if you meet someone half way, somewhere out of your way and they don't buy your item or lowball you for a price you don't want to sell for, now you wasted some gas money and your time...i'm also paranoid enough that i will ride a bike a weird way to get home to make sure no one can follow me without me noticing

- tell the buyer to meet you at X:XXam/pm sharp and tell them to call you when they get there, as well as call you if they are going to be even 5 minutes late cause you have some type of [insert BS appointment here] an hour later or something and you have to be on time...if they don't show, don't wait...there is nothing i hate more than people wasting my time

- no test rides or no test rides without full amount of cash in hand...state this in the ad if you want to go that way

- if you want to minimize wild offers state cash only no trades in your ad

- only take cash...i had a guy i know have his motorcycle stolen with a phony bank check, guys just drove off with his bike in the back of their pickup truck
 
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My input. (may have been mentioned by now).

Damn it, take pictures of the gun, plenty of them, I'd say at least 4-5 for a gun and 7-8 for a rifle. You'd probably eliminate so many questions just by doing so, and make your item more likely to sell if it's in great condition at worst you will look honest if it's not. Just the one/two pics from some 2004 model flip phone makes you look like an ass.

If you don't have a smart phone, your kids do.
If you are single and still own a 1.2 mega pixel flip phone, then I give up, I have no advise for you man.
 
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You don't have to be a dick. If the person that sends you a PM sounds like a meatstick then don't reply back.

That being said, I love " Whats your lowest number?", without even offering a figure they have in mind. Thats usually a waste of time.
 

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All of my interactions on items listed in the classified section of NES have been good. However if the ad is written like it came from somebody with an attitude problem I'll pass. I don't have that kind of time to waste screwing around.
 

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Agree...I always click the ads with photos first. I spend more time on them too. Why make the buyer go the thru the extra step of..."email or PM for pix"? Wouldn't it be easier to post them. I always think there is something wrong with the gun when I read that. Buyers love pictures! Post a gazillion of them. I promise I will look at every one of them, if I am interested in the gun.



My input. (may have been mentioned by now).

Damn it, take pictures of the gun, plenty of them, I'd say at least 4-5 for a gun and 7-8 for a rifle. You'd probably eliminate so many questions just by doing so, and make your item more likely to sell if it's in great condition at worst you will look honest if it's not. Just the one/two pics from some 2004 model flip phone makes you look like an ass.

If you don't have a smart phone, your kids do.
If you are single and still own a 1.2 mega pixel flip phone, then I give up, I have no advise for you man.
 

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You don't have to be a dick. If the person that sends you a PM sounds like a meatstick then don't reply back.

That being said, I love " Whats your lowest number?", without even offering a figure they have in mind. Thats usually a waste of time.
I don't even get those PMs, but if I did I would just reply with...

 
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I agree with Mike on the phone call. A phone call can tell a lot about how the transaction will go. If someone can't string a sentence together, mumbles or otherwise cant hold a conversation you are most likely wasting your time. I have done some business on here and the first PM I will give my number. Call me or move on
 

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Theres a lot of money to be made on NES. That said, theres a lot of 100% retards on NES. Theres also some scammers, shitbags and people who simply do not care - at all, about you, your ad or your time.

The best thing to do is make the terms of the deal known in the WTS ad. This means typing out at least a paragrapgh worth of shit spelling out your expectations, rules and punishments for your transactions. Important things are

-Payment must be in X form. If it is not in X form, less than positive feedback will be left (like neutral or neg)
-Payment must be sent in X time or less than pos feedback
-Buyer will not attempt to change the terms of the deal in person while trying to pick up item, or less than pos feedback
-Seller can sell item to whoever he chooses until a deal is made

Shit like that. If people actually used iTrader correctly, we'd be better off.

If some idiot gives you revenge neg rep, send the paper trail to derek and have the guy banned.
 
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I'm glad I've had only good results with the classifieds.
Me too, but a friend of mine once drove over 50 miles to make a sale and the buyer never showed. There was another seller waiting also. So the buyer screwed over two people in one day and you wonder why people post things the way they do? Yes, they both could have neg. rep'd the buyer, but they still got screwed over and lost valuable time and wear / gas on their vehicles for nothing.
 
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