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with that said, "For many Americans, guns are a big part of their culture and identity. However, guns are a major responsibility and thus we need to have common-sense gun safety measures, especially considering that there are already approximately 300 million firearms in the United States. Responsible gun owners should continue to enjoy the right to bear arms, subject to licensing and education requirements that will encourage the public safety."
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what about this do we not agree with? aside from the whole regulation of it all lol
 

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Let's examine some evidence here.

You joined NES as a non-dues paying member (so am I) exactly one week ago. No gun posts, no questions, just pro-Democrat posts.
Wait, NES is a gun forum? I thought it was a Mongolian basketweaving scrapbooking club?
 

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with that said, "For many Americans, guns are a big part of their culture and identity. However, guns are a major responsibility and thus we need to have common-sense gun safety measures, especially considering that there are already approximately 300 million firearms in the United States. Responsible gun owners should continue to enjoy the right to bear arms, subject to licensing and education requirements that will encourage the public safety."
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what about this do we not agree with? aside from the whole regulation of it all lol
That part right there.
 

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Yang likes China's surveillance state and social credit model. Does that seem like a guy that doesn't view the general public as peasants to be bossed around by a managerial caste?
Absolutely maddening as well as enlightening is this video from Paul Watson. He makes a cogent exposure of such a system. I’ve known this for a loooooong time and now it becomes manifest. Total control over your every thought and action. Limitation of your freedom at every turn. It’s darkness at its its core and if none of you realize this or support, uphold, and fight for our sacred historical documents like the BOR and Constitution you have some serious need for a purge in your thinking. Are you ready to have some surgical procedure applied to your forehead and right hand? This is 8:33 of wokeness.
 

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are you telling me you dont agree with vaccinations? should i make this assumption about right-way leaning folks?
Freedom lovers love freedom. Which means, if you are stupid enough to not vax your kids, you are stupid. But we're not going to go slamming into your house at 2am to MAKE your kids get vax'd.

My point is that you're suspicious.
YA think??? He's on the Palantine watch list.


Very, uh, suspicious.
 

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with that said, "For many Americans, guns are a big part of their culture and identity. However, guns are a major responsibility and thus we need to have common-sense gun safety measures, especially considering that there are already approximately 300 million firearms in the United States. Responsible gun owners should continue to enjoy the right to bear arms, subject to licensing and education requirements that will encourage the public safety."
A. Yang

what about this do we not agree with? aside from the whole regulation of it all lol
What about it should ever be agreed with? "Common sense" is a meaningless term. Because everything I think is correct is de facto common sense, and whatever else you think is garbage, please stfu with your silly ideas. That's why common sense is a bullshit catchall that sucks in low IQ voters.

Yangs gun control scheme is full blown draconian garbage written by a person who has zero knowledge on the subject hes so interested in regulating. It's almost as good as his since removed immanent domain law that was literally as insane as what the Soviets used.

Gun crime is down. Murder is down. Violent crime is down. Why the f*** are we talking about more regulation?
 

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Gun crime is down. Murder is down. Violent crime is down. Why the f*** are we talking about more regulation?
Hard to wrest control when all is well. Better to lie and tell people things are bad even when they are not.

I talk to MANY clients who are die-hard Trump-haters. "Well, get ready for 4 more years." "WHUH WHUH WHUH!!! Why?"

"Because people vote the economy. And the economy is 10x better than it was 2 years ago."

And here is what I hear over and over again. . . .


But is it, though? I think it's worse."


WHAT??? There are millions more people employed than 2 years ago. Economic growth is up. Corporate profitability is up. How do you miss that??

Because you don't listen to anything but what you've already agreed is true. You don't judge truth based on facts but based on your feelings. If someone says something that goes against your feelings, it MUST be a lie.


So in order to get the die-hards going, let's lie to them. The economy stinks (watch Pelosi continue to spout that), Obamacare is a panacea, violent crime is commin-tah-gitcha, illegals are just misunderstood Americans.

The good news is despite the ignert following of some, many, probably most, will see right through all this bull. They know it's a lie. Maybe not with the passion that you or I have about it, but they know it's a lie.

18 months. It's gonna be ugly. We thought the wailing was bad before. LOL
 

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The economy is good on paper but the CPI is f***ed right now in a major way. Student loan debt, the entire mortgage situation and a few other heavy hitters are looming on the horizon. If it wasnt for the 1st two I mentioned I'd agree that the economy is banging.

The economy isn't a wreck, but I suspect it might end up being one in the mid to short term.
 

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with that said, "For many Americans, guns are a big part of their culture and identity. However, guns are a major responsibility and thus we need to have common-sense gun safety measures, especially considering that there are already approximately 300 million firearms in the United States. Responsible gun owners should continue to enjoy the right to bear arms, subject to licensing and education requirements that will encourage the public safety."
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what about this do we not agree with? aside from the whole regulation of it all lol
What you libs keep forgetting is the second amendment. It is my RIGHT as an American citizen to own as many guns as I want. No strings attached. What don’t you understand about that?
 

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What you libs keep forgetting is the second amendment. It is my RIGHT as an American citizen to own as many guns as I want. No strings attached. What don’t you understand about that?
I see your mistake.
You are not interpreting the constitution like these smart liberals are...it is a "living document"....and they want to starve it until it becomes dead.
 

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What about it should ever be agreed with? "Common sense" is a meaningless term. Because everything I think is correct is de facto common sense, and whatever else you think is garbage, please stfu with your silly ideas. That's why common sense is a bullshit catchall that sucks in low IQ voters.

Yangs gun control scheme is full blown draconian garbage written by a person who has zero knowledge on the subject hes so interested in regulating. It's almost as good as his since removed immanent domain law that was literally as insane as what the Soviets used.

Gun crime is down. Murder is down. Violent crime is down. Why the f*** are we talking about more regulation?
When libs start talking to me about how many guns there are in this country , I just tell them : yeah that's true. But the vast majority of crime and murders is committed by a certain demographic. And that demographic is not the one that owns all the guns. You're trying to make a causal relationship between the amount if guns and crime, and it doesn't exist.
 

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I always get a kick out of it when people say UBI works and quote studies where a tiny fraction of a percentage is given UBI and it shows promise. Well, no shit. You just gave a tiny amount of people a large amount of money their peers dont have. Duh. Now when everyone gets it it's worth ~$0.
 

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why am I still surprised that people who arent part of the 1% would cap so hard for the 1% and the multi-billion dollar companies that are run by them. freedom dividends could easily and logically be funded (alone) with a 5th of the would-be property and trade taxes companies ought to pay. (which isnt commy by any standard) in fact its socialist. which this country already is. ie, food stamps, excise tax, toll roads, etc. who knew wanting a means of allowing every working citizen a fair share of 1st world living would be the devil's work lol
This is America... if you want your fair share get out there and earn it. What makes your or anyone else for that matter entitled to anything that doesn't belong to them.

At least you admit that your a socialist.
 

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I always get a kick out of it when people say UBI works and quote studies where a tiny fraction of a percentage is given UBI and it shows promise. Well, no shit. You just gave a tiny amount of people a large amount of money their peers dont have. Duh. Now when everyone gets it it's worth ~$0.

The UBI idiots are always running around using the excuse of automation as their reasoning behind why they think everybody should get UBI. They claim that because automation is going to drive people out of jobs - we're going to have to tax the robots - and then institute UBI so people can have money to live.

First thing they can't seem to wrap their feeble minds around is that automation has been around for a LONG time now. Back in the 1800s something like 75% of the population worked on farms. I think we're down to something like 2% of the population in this country that now work on farms.

I don't remember needing to have UBI as that farm population went from 75% down to 2% of the overall population. Seems like everybody was able to find a job - and then some.

UBI is just repackaged free shit with a fancy new acronym and some new arguments for the modern age using robots as the excuse.
 

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OK......the yang/whipped cream/supporters on their knees thing is just wierd/creepy
 

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OK......the yang/whipped cream/supporters on their knees thing is just wierd/creepy
He's just trying to out-creep Creepy Uncle Joe, that's all. He sees the front-runner is the creepiest, so he's like "I guess that's how you win" and decides to simulate gay porn with his supporters.
 

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The UBI idiots are always running around using the excuse of automation as their reasoning behind why they think everybody should get UBI. They claim that because automation is going to drive people out of jobs - we're going to have to tax the robots - and then institute UBI so people can have money to live.

First thing they can't seem to wrap their feeble minds around is that automation has been around for a LONG time now. Back in the 1800s something like 75% of the population worked on farms. I think we're down to something like 2% of the population in this country that now work on farms.

I don't remember needing to have UBI as that farm population went from 75% down to 2% of the overall population. Seems like everybody was able to find a job - and then some.

UBI is just repackaged free shit with a fancy new acronym and some new arguments for the modern age using robots as the excuse.
But up until recently, there usually could be stuff for everyone to do, no matter how automated we became. We're reaching a stage where there really isn't going to be anything to do for a big chunk of society. Take that idiot at the cash register that was having trouble figuring out how to use it. Once an automated self-checkout thing is fully implemented, they obviously won't be at that job. But, where will they be? They have no skills? Then, not needed at any skilled job. You hack away at the unskilled jobs until there's few left, but there's always plenty of stupid people. If you have 10 stupid people for every 5 unskilled jobs, the math says that's not going to work. To be fair, automation is also going after skilled jobs, so non-stupid people can also be in danger from this.

That said, I don't see UBI as having a chance at actually solving anything. I don't know how to solve the automation problem. We're probably just screwed. It can actually be that some problems just don't have solutions.
 

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The UBI idiots are always running around using the excuse of automation as their reasoning behind why they think everybody should get UBI. They claim that because automation is going to drive people out of jobs - we're going to have to tax the robots - and then institute UBI so people can have money to live.

First thing they can't seem to wrap their feeble minds around is that automation has been around for a LONG time now. Back in the 1800s something like 75% of the population worked on farms. I think we're down to something like 2% of the population in this country that now work on farms.

I don't remember needing to have UBI as that farm population went from 75% down to 2% of the overall population. Seems like everybody was able to find a job - and then some.

UBI is just repackaged free shit with a fancy new acronym and some new arguments for the modern age using robots as the excuse.
But up until recently, there usually could be stuff for everyone to do, no matter how automated we became. We're reaching a stage where there really isn't going to be anything to do for a big chunk of society. Take that idiot at the cash register that was having trouble figuring out how to use it. Once an automated self-checkout thing is fully implemented, they obviously won't be at that job. But, where will they be? They have no skills? Then, not needed at any skilled job. You hack away at the unskilled jobs until there's few left, but there's always plenty of stupid people. If you have 10 stupid people for every 5 unskilled jobs, the math says that's not going to work. To be fair, automation is also going after skilled jobs, so non-stupid people can also be in danger from this.

That said, I don't see UBI as having a chance at actually solving anything. I don't know how to solve the automation problem. We're probably just screwed. It can actually be that some problems just don't have solutions.
Basically, Prepper has the outline.
The agricultural workers could transition from unskilled farm labor to unskilled/low-skilled factory labor. Additionally, the transition took place over a relatively long span.

The automation in the works isn't affecting just burger flippers. They're working on automating surgeries, complex actions, etc. Replacing cashiers is one thing--replacing all your doctors, etc. is something else.
Then there's the AI aspect. Once AI gets advanced enough, even many of the "creative/innovative" tasks we thought were "safe" and only humans could do will no longer be free from automation. Computers will do it quicker, and better, and cheaper, with no sick days.

They've got chatbots and automated customer service systems now that have fooled a statistically significant number people into thinking they were "real."

Not to mention something like 34 states have "truck driver" as their number one occupation. These are many people that are too young to retire in say, 10 years when a high degree of automation could be in place.

What is everyone going to do, learn to code? That's not really practical (who is going to pay for that, realistically?).

Even if a lot of people "find other jobs" there's no doubt automation is going to cause a huge upheaval. It's not called the "Industrial Revolution" because people just did different stuff...

I'm not saying Yang has the answers ($12k a year wouldn't be enough for the majority of people to maintain their standards of living), but automation is without a doubt a serious issue that will need to be dealt with.
 
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Not to say that Yang has reached Howard Dean's level of success in party politics, but this could rival the scream that doomed Dean's chance for candidacy.
 
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