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The one thing that seems to never be mentioned that concerns me is prices on everything adjust for people having 12K a year coming in. I don't know how you would prevent this.
This.

Why don't people get this?

Free markets always adjust so the price of anything in limited supply is higher than the average person can pay.

The most desirable real estate will ALWAYS be out of the reach of José Sixpack.

What has changed in my lifetime is the cost of food and of manufactured products, which have declined tremendously. The average person can bury themselves in manufactured stuff, they will just have to continue to do it in the middling Zip codes.
 

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Listening to an interview off and on today that I'll post. He addresses that issue by invoking the free market. He figures that if everyone tries to gouge, and consumers pull back, then some retailers, etc. will take advantage of the situation and lower their prices.
The problem is that is inherently contradictory. A market where everyone has 12,000 bucks that didn't do anything to earn it (and basically the only way to make this possible is to print money or steal it from others to pay for it) is not a free market. And yes, we already have a not free market because this happens already with
a whole host of things, but what Yang wants would take that situation and make it worse. (AKA doubling down on the stupid).

This isn't about "gouging" either, it's about all the cash floating around creating inflation that didn't exist before.

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Finally got to start his book today, just the introduction.
He has a quote from Stephen Hawking:
We are at the most dangerous moment in the development of humanity...the rise of artificial intelligence is likely to extend job destruction deep into the middle classes, with only the most caring, creative or supervisory roles remaining.
Other interesting tidbits:
Truck driving is the most common occupation in 29 states.
4 million US manufacturing jobs have been automated since 2000.
The US labor force participation rate is at 62.9%, below most other industrialized countries and on par with El Salvador and Ukraine.

He also said he knows of many technologists who are buying bunkers or other types of contingency plans due to fear of backlash.
 

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OK.
So, it's not the $1000/mo. that is troubling.
And it isn't even his retarded gun control ideas.

It's at 42:52 of this interview where he states "I read Ta-Nehisi Coates and I 100% agree with the moral case for reparations."

That's not just pandering to the lady and gentlemen in the room. That's incredibly dangerous.


Ta-Nehisi Coates - Wikipedia

The Case for Reparations
 

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Although it would be a vast waste of money, I wonder what kind of recommendations a committee would make on how to go about reparations. I had an ancestor that fought for the Union in the Civil War; why should I have to pay since my ancestor actually fought for emancipation?

I don't really think it would solve anything, and quite possibly would inflame things worse than they are.

I also think it's a losing policy, last I heard only 15-30% of Americans would even consider the idea.
 
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Listening to an interview off and on today that I'll post. He addresses that issue by invoking the free market. He figures that if everyone tries to gouge, and consumers pull back, then some retailers, etc. will take advantage of the situation and lower their prices.
More likely... consumers slowly boil the frog, people demand more UBI, and wealth is further concentrated (by way of the government through taxing to pay for UBI no less) into the hands of corporations.

I'm no brilliant businessman or economist, but if I can come up with this, I'm sure CEOs of XYZ corps will as well.
 

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More likely... consumers slowly boil the frog, people demand more UBI, and wealth is further concentrated (by way of the government through taxing to pay for UBI no less) into the hands of corporations.

I'm no brilliant businessman or economist, but if I can come up with this, I'm sure CEOs of XYZ corps will as well.
I’ll bet Yang knows all this too.

He’s just crafted a position he thinks could get him elected.

Bernie showed him the way in 2016.

I like the reparations part. LOL. It’s almost as if he believes UBI won’t get the black vote.
 

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I’ll bet Yang knows all this too.

He’s just crafted a position he thinks could get him elected.

Bernie showed him the way in 2016.

I like the reparations part. LOL. It’s almost as if he believes UBI won’t get the black vote.
Maybe I will offer $2k a month UBI! Oh snap, I think I just figured out how to be President!!!!
 

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Listening to an interview off and on today that I'll post. He addresses that issue by invoking the free market. He figures that if everyone tries to gouge, and consumers pull back, then some retailers, etc. will take advantage of the situation and lower their prices.
Because free market in the education arena starting in 1985 led to lower college inflation. Because free market in the NYC rent control era led to lower rents. He's a F'ing genius! LOL

Finally got to start his book today, just the introduction.
He has a quote from Stephen Hawking:

Other interesting tidbits:
Truck driving is the most common occupation in 29 states.
4 million US manufacturing jobs have been automated since 2000.
The US labor force participation rate is at 62.9%, below most other industrialized countries and on par with El Salvador and Ukraine.

He also said he knows of many technologists who are buying bunkers or other types of contingency plans due to fear of backlash.
The key with LFP is it does NOT really do a good job of taking into account retiring folks. None of the DOL #'s do. It's hard to track and it's never been an issue until today. So they never created a metric for it back 30, 40 or 50 years ago.

We have people retiring in record #'s - the same people that began the Dual Income Generation and raised our LFP to record highs. So it stands to reason the LFP should fall at this point. I forget the #, but a staggering # of people cross age 65 each day. It's millions a year.

I also think it's a losing policy, last I heard only 15-30% of Americans would even consider the idea.
I'm betting it max's out at 15% and that 15% is the 15% that thinks they deserve something for nothing. Like, "If my skin is darker than X, I deserve $ regardless of where my family originally came from."




As far as Yang and his truck-driver concerns, I think they're somewhat a red herring. We are not very near to driverless trucks. Maybe a decade or more. Probably more. Eventually, it'll only be long-haul that is affected anyhow. You can't have the local Bud truck be driverless with 15 stops and wonky delivery ports. You could probably driverless to the Garden. That's about it. Even Fenway would need a human. In any event, I have to wonder why we aren't beefing up our rail systems if we have that many people driving trucks long-distance in the first place.
 

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The key with LFP is it does NOT really do a good job of taking into account retiring folks. None of the DOL #'s do. It's hard to track and it's never been an issue until today. So they never created a metric for it back 30, 40 or 50 years ago.
It was not a metric I had heard of before, and I'm not sure how much utility it has.

We have people retiring in record #'s - the same people that began the Dual Income Generation and raised our LFP to record highs. So it stands to reason the LFP should fall at this point. I forget the #, but a staggering # of people cross age 65 each day. It's millions a year.
My basic representation of his idea was that "during the last recession, older people who couldn't find work just ended up giving up and leaving the work force, and that could happen with automation." As an anecdote--that did happen to my father. He was laid off a few years ago at age 62 and spent 2 years or so looking for work unsuccessfully before deciding to retire. Sample of one, of course.

I think Yang intends to tie having a job to a lot of reported psychological and physical improvements (i.e., having a job is good for your health) and how the destruction of jobs from automation work pose a serious risk to the mental and physical health of a lot of the country. I'm hoping to read some more today to see what he says.

I'm betting it max's out at 15% and that 15% is the 15% that thinks they deserve something for nothing. Like, "If my skin is darker than X, I deserve $ regardless of where my family originally came from."
Unsurprisingly the figures I saw varied wildly among racial lines. I think African Americans were somewhere in the 63% in favor range while whites were really, really low. I think that is one reason why it would not be a good idea and only make tensions worse. It will not magically "fix" anything. Whites will resent it, and African Americans are unlikely to say "yeah, we're good now." So it does nothing, in my opinion. Then there's other issues like Native Americans, Chinese (the Chinese Exclusion Act, etc.). Just a bad path to go down.

As far as Yang and his truck-driver concerns, I think they're somewhat a red herring. We are not very near to driverless trucks. Maybe a decade or more. Probably more. Eventually, it'll only be long-haul that is affected anyhow. You can't have the local Bud truck be driverless with 15 stops and wonky delivery ports. You could probably driverless to the Garden. That's about it. Even Fenway would need a human. In any event, I have to wonder why we aren't beefing up our rail systems if we have that many people driving trucks long-distance in the first place.
There's definitely things to hammer out, like deliveries. I can see it being automated in time, but the timespan could be tough to determine. Obviously it needs to reach a point where there is a financial incentive for companies to automate.
The BBC article stating that "we've all probably bought our last gas cars already" still seems nuts to me. Most people I know get a new vehicle every 3-7 years or so, hard to imagine that by 2026 gasoline cars will be that rare.

Maybe if we get the Green New Deal, though?
 

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Yang is trying to sell himself as some Musk character who is smart enough to think further ahead than the general public. Then he gets asked about policy details and sounds like AOC justifying the green new deal....
 

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5thDentist is plugged in to the chans. I have another friend who is the same. He tells me the plan for 2020 is to support the Democrat candidate who will destroy the country the fastest, so we can get it over with.

Will be an interesting election.
 

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5thDentist is plugged in to the chans. I have another friend who is the same. He tells me the plan for 2020 is to support the Democrat candidate who will destroy the country the fastest, so we can get it over with.

Will be an interesting election.
The Dems who don't have a shot at winning are just trying to out-liberal each other. My bet's on Biden, Warren, and Sanders in that order. Would it be nice to have some random NPC like Moulton or Buttigieg or Yang win for Trump to smash or demonstrate how far to the left the Dems want to bring the country? Sure, but the DNC power-brokers won't let it happen.

2016 was a race about populism - Trump versus Comrade Sanders. The Dems are interested in power, not social progress, and will nominate whoever gives them the best shot at beating Trump. None of the NPCs outside of the three I mentioned have that ability.
 

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5thDentist is plugged in to the chans. I have another friend who is the same. He tells me the plan for 2020 is to support the Democrat candidate who will destroy the country the fastest, so we can get it over with.

Will be an interesting election.
Careful what you wish for............
 

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5thDentist is plugged in to the chans. I have another friend who is the same. He tells me the plan for 2020 is to support the Democrat candidate who will destroy the country the fastest, so we can get it over with.
Yeah, they tried that with Obama. How'd that work out?
 

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Yeah, they tried that with Obama. How'd that work out?
It's not my plan, I think it's dumb as **** but that's what's underlying the chans' support for Yang fwiw.

I'm not ready for a Chinese-American President in any case, no matter what their politics.
 

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5thDentist is plugged in to the chans. I have another friend who is the same. He tells me the plan for 2020 is to support the Democrat candidate who will destroy the country the fastest, so we can get it over with.
I remember NESers voting for Trump in 2016 for the exact same reason: "Burn it all down!"
 

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Ummm - so is Yang saying that all of the laws are completely pointless - and the free market should actually rule who gets to buy a gun ($1 million dollar fine to a company for a person murdered is a market influencer) ??

Is that what he's saying?

So are we going to do the same with baseball bats and knives too?
 
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"Balance of Public Needs with Private Rights"

Gotta love how all these communists that push for gun control use the same exact language pushing for mandatory vaccinations. Notice a trend?
are you telling me you dont agree with vaccinations? should i make this assumption about right-way leaning folks?
 
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why am I still surprised that people who arent part of the 1% would cap so hard for the 1% and the multi-billion dollar companies that are run by them. freedom dividends could easily and logically be funded (alone) with a 5th of the would-be property and trade taxes companies ought to pay. (which isnt commy by any standard) in fact its socialist. which this country already is. ie, food stamps, excise tax, toll roads, etc. who knew wanting a means of allowing every working citizen a fair share of 1st world living would be the devil's work lol
 

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why am I still surprised that people who arent part of the 1% would cap so hard for the 1% and the multi-billion dollar companies that are run by them. freedom dividends could easily and logically be funded (alone) with a 5th of the would-be property and trade taxes companies ought to pay. (which isnt commy by any standard) in fact its socialist. which this country already is. ie, food stamps, excise tax, toll roads, etc. who knew wanting a means of allowing every working citizen a fair share of 1st world living would be the devil's work lol
Let's examine some evidence here.

You joined NES as a non-dues paying member (so am I) exactly one week ago. Your three-post history (as of the time of my post now) consists entirely of pro-left, anti-right "off-topic" comments. You supported Bill Clinton, attacked anti-vaxxers (based on a dead-end post from March), and advocated for universal income. No gun posts, no questions, just pro-Democrat posts.

Its also known that Yang wants to recruit alt-right internet posters into his support network:

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/ryanhatesthis/4chan-vs-the-yang-gang

Here's why Andrew Yang's alt-right supporters think he's the 2020 candidate for white nationalists

Andrew Yang, Reddit and 4chan’s favorite Democratic long shot for president, explained

Andrew Yang's Online Following Has Turned Into a Real-Life Coalition

And the left defines the alt-right to include gun owners, particularly gun owners who advocate on behalf of gun rights rather than gun control:

The NRA’s New Scare Tactics

Socialist Rifle Association

Five hours ago, Yang polled in as the 10th leading Democrat:

2020 candidates: The 10 Democrats most likely to be the nominee, ranked - CNNPolitics

So...
 
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Let's examine some evidence here.

You joined NES as a non-dues paying member (so am I) exactly one week ago. Your three-post history (as of the time of my post now) consists entirely of pro-left, anti-right "off-topic" comments. You supported Bill Clinton, attacked anti-vaxxers (based on a dead-end post from March), and advocated for universal income. No gun posts, no questions, just pro-Democrat posts.

Its also known that Yang wants to recruit alt-right internet posters into his support network:

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/ryanhatesthis/4chan-vs-the-yang-gang

Here's why Andrew Yang's alt-right supporters think he's the 2020 candidate for white nationalists

Andrew Yang, Reddit and 4chan’s favorite Democratic long shot for president, explained

Andrew Yang's Online Following Has Turned Into a Real-Life Coalition

And the left defines the alt-right to include gun owners, particularly gun owners who advocate on behalf of gun rights rather than gun control:

The NRA’s New Scare Tactics

Socialist Rifle Association

Five hours ago, Yang polled in as the 10th leading Democrat:

2020 candidates: The 10 Democrats most likely to be the nominee, ranked - CNNPolitics

So...
im new. im liberal. i still like guns. whats your point?
 
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