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Andrew Yang 2020

Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by gunofthrones, Mar 22, 2019.

  1. Broccoli Iglesias

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    Can I copyright "common sense gun law and common sense gun safety"?

    I am so f***ing tired of hearing those words. I'm at a point that anyone that says those words automatically loses my respect.
     
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    Yang likes China's surveillance state and social credit model. Does that seem like a guy that doesn't view the general public as peasants to be bossed around by a managerial caste?
     
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    The same way I felt about Shiva.
     
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    I ordered a copy of his newest book on automation, its effects on the economy, and UBI. Should arrive tomorrow. Will be interesting to see his bigger justification/explanations.
     
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    I visited Ireland in '06. VAT was 17% and was itemized on your receipt. My guess is that it was only the VAT on the sales transaction.

    When passing through Irish Customs and Immigration on the way home, I found out that had I saved all the receipts, all the VAT I had paid would have been refunded. Apparently the EU socialist bureaucrats have just enough economic sense to know they would price themselves out of all exports so they settled for limiting VAT to their own serfs.

     
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    Andrew Yang on Ben Shapiro's show.
    One hour in duration.
    Holds his own very well.
     
  8. Dennis in MA

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    Freedom Dividend. Get it right, slave!

    I know I've said this before, but why would you hand the economic keys to the kingdom to a guy who has been a financial failure time and time again???? How is he going to fund these things?? HE HAS NO IDEA! Just put him in charge and he'll make it happen by. . . . well, maybe magic. He's effectively the Asian Obama. He's smarter than you and HE knows it.
     
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    To be fair, Trump affiliated businesses have declared six bankruptcies...

    1991: Trump Taj Mahal
    1992: Trump Castle Hotel & Casino
    1992: Trump Plaza Casino
    1992: Trump Plaza Hotel
    2004: Trump Hotels & Casino Resorts
    2009: Trump Entertainment Resorts

    So, perhaps Yang would be in presidential company.

    Yang does have a plan to pay for it--whether or not it would work is another matter. But to say "he has no idea" isn't really accurate and makes it sound like he just said "$1,000 a month" without putting any thought behind it.

    I'm going to start his book today--I'll see how he makes his case.
     
  10. Dennis in MA

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    His theory is that reduced use of other benefits would fund it. Yet they wouldn't. Because he doesn't eliminate them. Forget the inflationary effects he hasn't even considered. That qualifies under "he has no idea." LOL
     
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    The Trump Organization - Wikipedia

    In fairness to The Donald, with five hundred entities, there are bound to be some winners and some losers.

    Please do and report back. [grin] I'm curious as well.
     
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    I think the 10% VAT is intended to be the chief vector of financing it.
     
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    On top of income taxes. What a wonderful plan! ROFL!!!! When I heard the interviews with them, they glossed over his brilliant VAT plan. He was all about how this would "save" money from traditional welfare type programs because they'd be eliminated. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . under separate legislation later on.

    I bet you could make his eyes roll round and round if you said, "Let's skip the VAT of 10% and just give everyone $900 instead." "Yeah, uh, um, hold on, um, that might, crap. . . . " head explodes. LOL
     
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    Well, when/if your job is automated away in a decade or two, you won't have any income to have to pay taxes on ;)

    I think the goal with VAT is that companies like Amazon, who paid an effective -1% in taxes on 11.2 billion of profits last year, would be on the hook. Now, how/why they wouldn't just pass their VAT obligation onto the consumer I don't know.

    I think this has been stated before--but to be clear, if you get any form of welfare right now it would be that or the Freedom Dividend, not both.

    Have any other candidates proposed solutions for the circa 3.5 million truck drivers who will be unemployed over the next several years?
     
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    That was a brilliant comment in total, 5th.

    However, I'm not ready for a Chinese American President, just not ready, not even close. When China is our #1 global rival and the Chinese themselves are playing the long game to take the USA down, the idea of an ethnic Chinese (Taiwanese) face in the Oval Office makes me want to move to Canada. (Hey, if the moonbats can do it...)

    I suspect Gunofthrones is a Chinese American, and while there's nothing at all wrong with that, from his writing he's not really a Republican.

    [​IMG]
     
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    This commie bass turd wants a "Social Credit Score" system like China has. He wants to put the final nails in the coffin of volunteerism with that too.
    Libtards started killing off the true volunteer spirit when they started mandating "community service resume" as part of college applications. Only certain protected classes can get into college without one today.
    This guy wants the system set up, in violation of federal income tax law, to "trade" community service time for actual services of another. The example he used was coaching a kids soccer team and being paid for it with service provided by one of the parents. I guess he did not know that the IRS tax code mandates reporting of "barter income."
    He is a communist Chinese even though he was born in the US. Chinese that actually wanted to escape communism do not vote for or register as democrats because they recognize communist rhetoric when they hear it. This arse hat is a communist to the core. You can bet his parents are too.
     
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    This.

    Culture is largely genetic. American exceptionalism was a product of the best of Northern European culture. Very few ethnic groups value individualism over collectivism. Apologies to anyone offended by the thought crime.

    ....and just to relight an old dumpster fire, Yang is not a natural born citizen. :)
     
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    Haha thanks for the laugh. A Discord server full of NEETs who want free money isn't the "meme makers who helped get Trump in" and /pol/, while influential, was not the deciding factor in electing Trump. Yang is a meme candidate and a gun-grabbing one at that. Sad!
     
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    Several? Try more like 10+, the tech for self driving anything hasn't even been really finished yet, nor has it been tested hard legally.

    Nor will hazmat ever be moved by a computerized truck, unless federal law is changed. Not to mention the whole sphere of federal law in regards to the
    transportation industry as a whole.

    Then there's the whole war over this garbage which is slowly churning and bubbling. The outcome of which is yet to be determined.



    Also, lots of people have become unemployed by tech, but somehow society dealt with it. I don't see this being any different. I don't think
    we're anywhere near the level where UBI or something like that is some kind of utter necessity.

    -Mike
     
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    Why you have (probably) already bought your last car
    "A growing number of tech analysts are predicting that in less than 20 years we'll all have stopped owning cars, and, what's more, the internal combustion engine will have been consigned to the dustbin of history."

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    I'm skeptical, but I think it'll happen sooner or later. And while there will undoubtedly be things to iron out, stuff like hazmat is probably more the exception than the majority experience.

    I'm not sold on UBI or "automation will eliminate all jobs." I think it was 50 or 80 years ago 40% of people worked in agriculture and now it's down to 2% or something. I want to see his arguments to explain this phenomenon (people moving to different sectors, new fields creating new jobs to replace old ones).

    I'm just going into this all with an open mind.
     
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    Go with an open mind. But don't be ig'nint. There are literal encyclopedia's of studies and real life that show that UBI is a mega f'ing disaster economically. The only ones that dispute it are. . . . the ones that think a UBI will work. Think of them as Flat Earthers or Birthers. Facts and proof are irrelevant.

    Again - I've yet to hear ANYONE say that with a UBI all other programs would be closed. I've heard FAR from that. What I've heard is that "well, we think less people might need it." And after inflation, everyone will need it again.

    FWIW, sales tax, VAT tax, Idiot tax, consumers ALWAYS pay. You aren't getting Amazon to pay a nickel more than before. (Amazon is a reseller - their VA is minimal, at best. And it's all pushed fwd to the ultimate price for the consumer ANYHOW.)
     
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    The Zucc (who I really despise) touted $50k UBI but coupled with the complete abolition of all other forms of welfare, public assistance, etc. I am very skeptical of that remaining the case (as has been discussed in this thread) and I don't know how he planned to pay for it, but that is one example where it would indeed replace everything.

    I'm not sold on UBI.

    Yang also has some plans for illegal immigrants:

    As President, I will…
    • Secure the southern border and drastically decrease the number of illegal entries into the US
    • Provide a new tier of long-term permanent residency for anyone who has been here illegally for a substantial amount of time so that they can come out of the shadows and enter the formal economy and become full members of the community.
      • This new tier would permit individuals to work and stay in the country, provided they pay their taxes and don’t get convicted of a felony.
      • This tier would put them on a longer, eighteen-year path to citizenship (the same amount of time it takes those born in the US to get full citizenship rights), reflecting our desire to bring them into our country but also their decision to circumvent legal immigration channels.
    • Invest heavily in an information campaign to inform immigrant communities of this new tier of residency, and deport any undocumented immigrant who doesn’t proactively enroll in the program.
     
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    I dont see what the difference is. MA resident get around $50k/year in benefits already. So all we're doing is taking away welfare and calling it UBI. Plus other states where the benefits arent as generous are now bumped up to MA levels. Where's the gain? Taxpayers are getting raped every pay period and the gov is using the proceeds to pay people for sitting home. What difference does it make what its called?
     
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    I don't know about Zuckerberg's "plan" - or if he even had one.

    As for Yang, everyone 18-65 would get $1,000/month or some form of welfare.
    $12,000/year is not really sustainable for most people, so they'd either need to have some other form of income, or some other welfare program (in which case they would now be ineligible for the Freedom Dividend).

    The idea (again, idea--I'm not saying this would or would not happen) is that some or ideally all of that would be invested in ways that would drive down other costs or improve peoples' lives.

    For example: work as a truck driver, going to lose your job to self-driving cars? Use the $1,000 to get training/other job skills so you can transition to a different sector. College student? $1,000/mo should cover many of your living expenses while pursuing school. Others could use the money for retirement funds, or getting better healthcare, or buying better quality foods to improve their physical health and thus, in theory, reduce their reliance on costly healthcare. Lose your job? $1,000/mo helps to soften the blow.

    Again, this is "the idea." I think a part of it is also the expectation that people would spend a lot of the money on consumer goods which sends a chunk of it back to gov't as VAT. The parts about stimulating the economy really reads as kind of Keynesian thing which really makes me suspicious.
     
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    Looking back I think I read your post and my brain melded Zuckerbergs plan with Yangs plan.

    So no welfare and $1k a month for people to spend how they like. When people spend it on sneakers and gold rims and then complain they cant feed their kids what happens? Nfw is the gov going to tell them to pound sand. Welfare gets reinstated or laundered through a million NGO's and magically the $1k a month stays. Sorry but Im around poor people pretty often. Most are poor because they are lazy and make dumb decisions. Most stay poor for generations because their dumb decisions are rewarded with NEETbux.

    No way this guy Yang really believes that project dwellers in the inner city are going to put $1k towards job training or medical bills. In my experience, the vast majority of that particular tier of people feel the gov should pick up the tab for necessities such as food, housing, utilities, medical treatment, etc, and resent the fact that they have to pay for anything that doesnt give them some direct form of enjoyment. That $1k will be going towards weed, video games and designer clothes like clockwork.

    eta- re-read your last post and saw "$1k/mth OR welfare". Im gonna stop posting til I know what Im talking about, lol.
     
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    This was the same exact worry I posted earlier; invariably dumb people will blow it all on consumer goods and then clamor for more UBI and/or welfare, and taxpayers will have to pony up for it.

    I kind of think those that would put UBI to best use through self-improvement, prudent investment, etc. are those that least need it--since they are motivated and resourceful already. Those that are indolent or make stupid financial decisions are likely to waste it and thus not improve their lot.

    A lot of comments I read were by people saying they'd put it towards groceries, bills, etc. which isn't bad; but I don't doubt the bag will also be converted into lots of iPhones and car payments for automobiles that aren't really practical or needed.
     
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    What the average person needs to understand is: of course they said they would spend the money on warm and fuzzies. Duh. Its like when the Gov says "this money is going to be allocated for xxxx" then it goes in the general fund.
     
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    That ship sailed when people didn't give two shits about Obama. Hell, there wasn't even any lip service paid to the idea that there might be a problem. Nope, the American Public has spoken. They don't care.

    Personally, and I'm being totally serious here, I estimate only another 200 years for this country at best. Sounds like a long ways off, but realistically my grandchildren, and definitely my great-grandchildren will be alive and have to deal with the mess. I'd like to begin the process of positioning my family so we can avoid this. Whether that involves relocation to a friendlier and safer part of the country, or another country remains to be seen. But that thousand bucks a month in my pocket will certainly help with MY life and the lives of my descendants.

    In other words, I don't really give two shits about the economy and vitality of a government that is constantly trying to screw me as it slowly circles the bowl.
     
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    The one thing that seems to never be mentioned that concerns me is prices on everything adjust for people having 12K a year coming in. I don't know how you would prevent this.
     
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    Listening to an interview off and on today that I'll post. He addresses that issue by invoking the free market. He figures that if everyone tries to gouge, and consumers pull back, then some retailers, etc. will take advantage of the situation and lower their prices.
     

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