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Andrew Yang 2020

Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by gunofthrones, Mar 22, 2019.

  1. The5thDentist

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    Good, glad someone started an official Yang thread, and not surprised it's full of "hurr durr communism" bullshit.

    Don't you people realize that Trump has shit all over his base? He hasn't gotten jack done compared to what he promised. He let that puss Paul Ryan defeat his plan for the wall. And notice that he gets cleared of any possible collusion right after he recognizes the Golan Heights as part of Israel. What happened to America First?

    The reality is he may not win re-election.

    So what then? Y'all want to see a Kamala/Beto victory? Because THAT'S the most probable D ticket at this point. And remember I was one who called a Trump victory early on. When most people on this site were incredulous and scoffed at the notion, I not only knew, but did my small part to meme it into reality.

    Well, the meme makers who helped get Trump in have moved on to supporting Yang. Do I agree with his gun stance? HELL NO! But if you think Trump can expect an easy re-election you are kidding yourselves. Yang is a backup plan.

    Why not try and control the outcome of the election no matter which party wins? Isn't that what the "deep state" has been doing for decades? The 2016 election showed that WE still have the power to take on the "deep state". They have shown that they can push back. Look at how they have Trump by the balls. It's sad, really. They probably have some shit on Trump WRT the times he's visited Epstein's island.

    Yang is the most palatable Democrat running with potential. Tulsi is better, but her campaign is DOA. A Yang/Gabbard ticket would be the ultimate plan B, and another giant F.U. to the "deep state". So think tactically and support BOTH Trump and Yang. Goldman Sachs supports candidates on both tickets and they almost always get what they want.

    I'll be posting all YangGang memes here for anyone that gets the bigger picture.
     
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  2. fshalor

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    So since I pay like $2k in taxes per month. I'll be supporting two other people? Yay. Er. No.

    On the flip side, if I had a bank account delivered to me at the age of 18 with 200/month delivered into it from birth, I would have been in a very different situation at 1/5th the cost. Even if they kept the interest.
     
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    Problem is, the Dem primary is rigged with "superdelegates", in the end, the DNC does the anointing. How does he get around that?
     
  4. Waher

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    Are you really such a cheap whore that all it takes is a promise of ‘free’ money and you submit to a master?

    Yang is already lying his ass off in front of different audiences. He’s the Asian Obama.
     
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  5. lazypengu1n

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    I attended the Chinese American Gala a few weeks ago, I was thinking, "Wow, Asian American giving a a go. Let's see what he's all about." As soon as he started talking, I was annoyed because he definitely didn't represent what I stood for.
     
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  6. gunofthrones

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    Yang's plan might not work. But I don't think it's the worst plan I've heard from Democrats. As the5thdentist said, someone is going to running against trump. Who do you want that person be? Whoever voted for Hillary won't switch sides in 2020. Whoever voted for trump, might be disapointed at this moment. Trump didn't divide the country, Obama did it. But the situation is worse, God knows what will happen in 2020. Yang is the only democrat that I will be okay to sit back and watch if shit happnes.
     
  7. ISOTOX

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    With one hand he is putting $1000 in your hand, with his other hand he's taking $2000 out of your Pocket....
     
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    Giving money to a commie is like giving money to isis. Dont care what your political reasons are.
     
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  9. Dennis in MA

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    Exactly. Why does he call it that? He focus-group'd it to conservatives. Found they were more receptive when he didn't call it UBI. He's trying to cater to the stupid of both parties.

    It works like this. Everyone gets $1,000/mo or $12,000 per year. Some will get it in the form of a tax rebate. A lot will just get checks.

    About 8 nanoseconds later, the cost of everything rises by about 30%. Suddenly, $12K ain't gonna do S-word. (Not to mention in most of the country, $12K/mo aint' getting rid of welfare plus Section 8 plus WIC and other programs. We're still going to have all of them.). So now we need $2K/mo. 8 nanoseconds later, we need $4K/mo. And so on and so on.

    Even your most basic undgrad Econ major understand that if you GIVE everyone $, you're just going to increase inflation. Your net effect is actually negative. I mean, look at freaking Finland.

    Finland Is Ending Its Universal Basic Income Experiment

    Either Norway or Sweden, I think Norway, has a pile of $ from the oil industry. IIRC, it's hte 3rd highest cost of living in Europe. Because of all of this excess $ being spent willy-nilly.

    They won't stop welfare. It isn't enough to stop welfare. And economics says it will fail. See article above from Socialist Finland.
     
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    He probably doesn't. But having him in the debates is all I really care about. Those shitshows are usually so controlled that they are a joke. I'm glad he's going to be on stage. Now if we could only get enough donations so that Tulsi can be up there too...

    And debate participation is based off of 65,000 individual donors, not amounts. So anyone want to toss Tulsi a couple of bucks it will help. No, I have no connection to either campaign other than following my own advice.
     
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    The yang memes are so cringy
     
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    I don’t know. Between the Biden memes and the Yang memes I think the Democrats are out trumping the Republicans.
     
  19. daekken

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    You have to admit the vaporwave Yang 2020 hat is peak 80s aesthetic.

    Plus with the $1000/mo you can nab those preban ARs and AKs.
     
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  20. The5thDentist

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    Found this one earlier. Edgy.
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  21. Jason Flare

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    The plan is to pay for UBI with a 10% VAT on goods and services.

    Add 10% to everything you buy and see if you’re ahead of the game.

    Keep in mind that everyone pays the 10% VAT and not everyone gets the 12K/ year.

    (BTW my business would probably make a killing on this but UBI is total Communist spread the wealth bullshit )

    ETA: In other words, the people who will come out on top will be the people who sell a product to people who are flush with an extra grand a month to get rid of.

    They’ll make far more than the 10% they’re paying in VAT.
     
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    If not everyone gets UBI, then how can they call.it universal? [laugh]

    -Mike
     
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    Great question.

    Even better if everyone gets it. People would have to spend an average of $120,000.00 per year to pay the 10% VAT to pay for the $12,000.00 they’re getting back in UBI.

    How stupid can people be?

    Free money. What a country.

    ETA: Here’s a little about the 10% VAT. It turns out the people who won’t receive UBI would be people collecting more than $1,000.00 per month in welfare who would likely opt out of UBI for the more lucrative welfare.

    How would we pay for Universal Basic Income? - Andrew Yang for President

    Here’s an interview with Joe Rogan:


    View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8weVou_jmoI


    Yang seems to have figured out that once money is spent it doesn’t disappear and a percentage of it goes back to the .gov.

    What’s not to like?
     
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    So being 65 I have to pay the VAT and don't get the BAG... screw that. FSA taking more of my money. No thanks.
     
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    UBI = subsidized heroin
     
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    Yang's site says he expects many welfare recipients to take the bag since it's no strings attached...the concern there is that if they waste it all, they'll still be needing/wanting more money. That inevitably leads to push coming to shove.

    I do have to hand it to Yang, not letting Boomers get the bag is the ultimate way for millennials and Gen X to get their revenge.
     
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    What strings are currently attached to welfare? Is having a pulse really that high of a hurdle?
     
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    I think what @daekken means is that most welfare money is earmarked. They get free rent but never touch the money. SNAP is supposed to go to food only and health insurance is for medical care.

    The argument for paying people more and getting them off welfare is that if they have more cash in hand they’ll blow it on everything but rent and healthcare.

    As @fencer put it, heroin.
     
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    Correct, my expectation is that many people will not use the money for its intended purpose. Stuff like that happens now with current programs to varying degrees, but with the bag, there will be no oversight at all. When the parents buy an iphone and a TV after they've secured the bag, the kids will starve. At least with SNAP there's restrictions on what you can buy. Is there fraud? Sure, but at least there's a token system in place.
     
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