1. If you enjoy the forum please consider supporting it by signing up for a NES Membership  The benefits pay for the membership many times over.

  2. Dismiss Notice

AN ACT requiring background checks for all firearm sales. NH HB1589

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by AlKatori, Jan 7, 2014.

  1. AlKatori

    AlKatori

    Joined:
    Feb 12, 2013
    Messages:
    194
    Likes Received:
    19
    Location:
    NH
    Hey guys I did a quick search and didn't see a thread on this. But it looks like they are pushing to outlaw private firearm transactions in NH. They make certain exceptions, but otherwise it looks like selling a firearm will be a class B felony with this bill.

    http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/legislation/2014/HB1589.html
     

  2. The5thDentist

    The5thDentist NES Life Member NES Member

    Joined:
    Sep 27, 2013
    Messages:
    6,886
    Likes Received:
    5,397
    Location:
    1 mile from freedom
    How about introducing HB 999

    AN ACT these people can all shove up their collective arses:

    SPONSORS: Rep. Andrews-Ahearn, Rock 37; Rep. Borden, Rock 24; Rep. R. Brown, Graf 2; Rep. Harding, Graf 13; Rep. Schlachman, Rock 18; Rep. K. Rogers, Merr 28; Rep. K. Ward, Straf 21; Sen. Pierce, Dist 5

    The thing actually quotes this BS statistic!

    I want someone on the anti side to show me where they get this 40% figure from other than deep inside their rectums.
     
    Last edited: Jan 7, 2014
  3. StevieP

    StevieP NES Member

    Joined:
    Apr 16, 2009
    Messages:
    7,887
    Likes Received:
    2,986
    Location:
    Gone to Carolina in my mind...
    Is there a lot of gun crime in NH that I"m not aware of?

    What problem, exactly, does this bill purport to resolve?

    NO. No it does not. MA does require LICENSES be held by the buyer and seller, and in order to HAVE the license, one must have gone through a background check, but to say that the state requires a background check for private gun sales is an outright lie.
     
    Last edited: Jan 7, 2014
  4. xtry51

    xtry51

    Joined:
    Feb 7, 2010
    Messages:
    19,732
    Likes Received:
    7,561
    Location:
    NH (CT Escapee)
    It helps that the worst ones publicly single themselves out.
     
  5. Nectaris

    Nectaris NES Member

    Joined:
    Mar 29, 2009
    Messages:
    1,750
    Likes Received:
    175
    Location:
    Keene NH
    Sounds like a Mass problem to me since obviously the guns didn't commit any crimes in NH. Besides how small of a percentage is the 100 NH guns compared to the total number of gun crimes committed in MA in a year?

    Like has been said, it's a new law to fix a problem that doesn't exist. The anti's will try to slip in any law, any time for any reason they can think of just to get the ball rolling and see who is paying attention.
     
  6. Ultrarunner

    Ultrarunner NES Member

    Joined:
    Sep 29, 2011
    Messages:
    1,714
    Likes Received:
    524
    Location:
    Belmont, NH
    but!!!!!!!! GUN LAWS CAN NEVER COME TO NH!!!!!

    [laugh2][crying]
     
    1 person likes this.
  7. ScottS

    ScottS NES Member

    Joined:
    Jul 19, 2006
    Messages:
    4,372
    Likes Received:
    1,832
    Location:
    Live Free or Die
    This isn't a gun law. It's a BILL, which can be introduced at any time, by any moonbat legislator. Just because someone files a BILL doesn't mean it is automatically a LAW.

    Maybe you need to review that Schoolhouse Rock Video, "I'm just a Bill..."
     
    4 people like this.
  8. Golddiggie

    Golddiggie NES Member

    Joined:
    Dec 9, 2012
    Messages:
    12,683
    Likes Received:
    2,993
    Location:
    Pelham, NH
    How do WE make sure this dies quickly??
     
  9. edmorseiii

    edmorseiii Navy Veteran NES Member

    Joined:
    Mar 25, 2008
    Messages:
    18,356
    Likes Received:
    7,899
    Location:
    NH
    [rolleyes]
     
  10. Hiltonizer

    Hiltonizer Banned

    Joined:
    Jan 16, 2009
    Messages:
    6,705
    Likes Received:
    1,457
    Location:
    NH
  11. SpaceCritter

    SpaceCritter NES Member

    Joined:
    Jan 15, 2013
    Messages:
    11,081
    Likes Received:
    4,429
    Location:
    In Orbit
    Brown is one of my future policritters. Is it worth chucking her a letter from a future constituent, or would I be coming across as a carpetbagger?
     
  12. Klaus

    Klaus

    Joined:
    Mar 13, 2011
    Messages:
    68
    Likes Received:
    17
    Wrote to my reps on this bill and HB1163, which would restrict carrying firearms in public buildings. Got a response from one of them fifteen minutes later indicating he would be voting against both bills.
     
  13. Boghog1

    Boghog1

    Joined:
    Nov 29, 2008
    Messages:
    17,818
    Likes Received:
    3,272
    Location:
    Live Free or Die


    or this one

     
    Last edited by a moderator: Nov 18, 2017
  14. jibbr71

    jibbr71 NES Member

    Joined:
    Jan 7, 2013
    Messages:
    4,239
    Likes Received:
    1,132
    Location:
    In the 603
    I would bet that number is close to correct. To the .gov, who issues no license to posess a firearm, we are all as private gun owners, "unlicensed people". Therefore, all private sales are done by "unlicensed people" or people who don't hold FFL's.
     
  15. hunt4riches

    hunt4riches

    Joined:
    May 12, 2013
    Messages:
    808
    Likes Received:
    90
    I vomited at the "private sale loophole" line... I moved back to NH to escape this shit, not be part of it all over again!!!!!!
     
  16. exodious

    exodious

    Joined:
    Mar 3, 2009
    Messages:
    7,442
    Likes Received:
    1,683
    Location:
    Vermont
    Yeah but I suspect the vast majority of private sales aren't done by people "in the business of selling firearms", so they're not subject to that fed law regardless.

    Statist legislators gonna statist... until they get voted out or otherwise.
     
  17. Boghog1

    Boghog1

    Joined:
    Nov 29, 2008
    Messages:
    17,818
    Likes Received:
    3,272
    Location:
    Live Free or Die
    Call your reps
     
    1 person likes this.
  18. hunt4riches

    hunt4riches

    Joined:
    May 12, 2013
    Messages:
    808
    Likes Received:
    90
    Scream and kick like children. It worked great in NY and CT.

    - - - Updated - - -

    Drafting an email now. Going to make my wife do it, too, even though she's gun neutral (she used to be a moonbat, but I fixed her mostly).
     
  19. Hiltonizer

    Hiltonizer Banned

    Joined:
    Jan 16, 2009
    Messages:
    6,705
    Likes Received:
    1,457
    Location:
    NH
    open carry gatherings outside the more egregious pricks houses... the message should be sent that trampling peoples rights might someday cost more than losing an unpaid house seat.
     
    2 people like this.
  20. The5thDentist

    The5thDentist NES Life Member NES Member

    Joined:
    Sep 27, 2013
    Messages:
    6,886
    Likes Received:
    5,397
    Location:
    1 mile from freedom
    I'm not buying the 40% figure. That would mean they would have to know rate of transfers between unlicensed individuals. Unpossible. Other than Ray Kelly spouting it on CNN, I think the only source is MAIG/Brady/insert your most hated anti group here, and is a completely made-up figure.


    Oh, and SpaceCritter, I think you should write and put the fear of God in your future congress critter.
     
  21. EC1

    EC1 NES Member

    Joined:
    Sep 19, 2007
    Messages:
    6,667
    Likes Received:
    978
    Location:
    Somewhere
    (j) New Hampshire residents overwhelmingly support laws requiring background checks on all gun purchasers: A poll conducted by Schoen LLC in February 2013 found that 89 percent of New Hampshire residents support requiring a background check before every gun sale

    Where was this conducted in the MA part of NH?
     
  22. Hiltonizer

    Hiltonizer Banned

    Joined:
    Jan 16, 2009
    Messages:
    6,705
    Likes Received:
    1,457
    Location:
    NH
    IIRC it was a sample size of 400 people on the UNH campus.
     
  23. exodious

    exodious

    Joined:
    Mar 3, 2009
    Messages:
    7,442
    Likes Received:
    1,683
    Location:
    Vermont
    There's one of those BS ~90% figures again.
     
  24. Palladin

    Palladin NES Member

    Joined:
    Mar 27, 2007
    Messages:
    23,777
    Likes Received:
    5,360
    Location:
    Merrimack Valley
    looks like it came from MAIG's website.
     
  25. Mattyweb

    Mattyweb NES Member

    Joined:
    Jun 16, 2010
    Messages:
    828
    Likes Received:
    458
    Location:
    MA
    Wasn't that 40% number total BS and proven to be created by one of Hillary's aides just before the whole F&F debacle?

    Also, whenever someone says some stat about X number of guns turn up in MA crimes, I always wonder if those are actual crimes, or just a malum prohibitum scenario where someone bought a standard capacity mag in NH and got caught with it in MA.
     
  26. ScottS

    ScottS NES Member

    Joined:
    Jul 19, 2006
    Messages:
    4,372
    Likes Received:
    1,832
    Location:
    Live Free or Die
    From here.
     
    Last edited: Jan 7, 2014
  27. Trackrat

    Trackrat

    Joined:
    Jan 6, 2013
    Messages:
    542
    Likes Received:
    72
    Well, according to the ATF in 2011, (couldn't find 2009 data quickly), of all the gun crimes committed in MA that were traced back, 133 originated in NH while 351 originated in MA.

    Guess those strict laws in MA sure stopped murderers in MA from obtaining them.....

    http://www.atf.gov/files/statistics/download/trace-data/2011/2011-trace-data-massachusetts.pdf

    Hope you NH people nip this B.S. in the bud before it spreads!
     
  28. LoginName

    LoginName NES Member

    Joined:
    Mar 4, 2006
    Messages:
    16,919
    Likes Received:
    6,201
    A problem with those numbers is that it can't be determined how many of those firearms traced to other states were from illegal straw purchases, and how many were stolen from legal gun owners who moved here from those states.
     
  29. The5thDentist

    The5thDentist NES Life Member NES Member

    Joined:
    Sep 27, 2013
    Messages:
    6,886
    Likes Received:
    5,397
    Location:
    1 mile from freedom
    Thanks!
     
  30. Trackrat

    Trackrat

    Joined:
    Jan 6, 2013
    Messages:
    542
    Likes Received:
    72
    Yeap, the stats are at a very basic level. For the purposes of refuting the point made in the bill they're good enough. The contention was that background checks on ftf transactions limit crime, thus NH should adopt the same laws as MA. Using the 100 or so guns that originated in NH is flawed and disingenuous, since many more weapons used originated in MA itself; you know the state whose laws should be adopted since they keep people safer. Only an anti could be stupid enough to think that would work (roll eyes).

    Talk about data manipulation.
     
    Last edited: Jan 7, 2014

Share This Page