American Hunters & Shooters Association?

[Dick]

Just took a short run out to get some groceries a little while ago and was listening to a re-run of a Mike Barnicle program on WTTK. He had on some old retired trap shooter and a guy named John Rosenthal who apparently owns a lot of real estate in the Back Bay and is also reponsible for the anti-gun billboard that you can see from the Mass Pike at about the Fenway area. Rosenthal is pushing this AHSA group as a "reasonable" alternative to the NRA.

In the course of about 15 minutes I heard about a half-dozen misunderstandings, half-truths, and outright lies about guns, gun ownership, the RKBA, and particularly about the NRA and their programs, all of which Barnicle (a first class a-hole, IMHO, YMMV) just ate up.

Anybody know anything about this guy or this group? Is anybody here a member? What are they up to? - it sure didn't sound like they're any friends of the 2nd Amendment.

 

[Bugs100]

Rosenthal had been pretending to be pro gun at first by saying it was fine to own a shotgun for sport. Then he came out as anti handgun. Which was his agenda the whole time.

I use to see Barnicle sitting in a small coffe shop by Childrens hospital every day, always by himself. Then the next day he would write these tear jerk stories about sick kids. They finally caught up with him. What a jerk..

 

[matt]

I use to see Barnicle sitting in a small coffe shop by Childrens hospital every day, always by himself. Then the next day he would write these tear jerk stories about sick kids. They finally caught up with him. What a jerk..

While I'll readily agree Barnicle is an ass, I don't get the connection. If you'd ever spent any time in Children's, you'd know there are good reasons for tear jerk stories.

BTW, Rosenthal lies more than Bill Clinton ever dreamed of being able to. Like Clinton, he does it with a straight face, over and over, even when he's been caught in the exact same lie a half dozen times before. After all, it's a different audience, so he can play the misinformed innocent every time.

Ken

 

[KMaurer]

While I'll readily agree Barnicle is an ass, I don't get the connection. If you'd ever spent any time in Children's, you'd know there are good reasons for tear jerk stories.

Because rather than actually spend any time with kids getting a real story, he simply sat around drinking coffee and either made them up or recycled somebody else's story he had read a few years earlier.

Ken

 

[matt]

Because rather than actually spend any time with kids getting a real story, he simply sat around drinking coffee and either made them up or recycled somebody else's story he had read a few years earlier.

Were those the articles he got caught ripping off?!?! Well, suffice to say, the man is an ASS!

 

[jamz]

I forget the details, but if you dig into the founders of the AHSA, it's the same people/person who either founded Hangdun Control Inc. or an ex-president of theirs.

 

[Len-2A Training]

I've met Rosenthal, attempted to talk with him many years ago, listened to his drivel each time the State House has their anti-gun hearings.

His agenda is the eventual confiscation of all private guns. Plain and simple. He is a rich man who knows how to "market" his position to even get gun owners to agree with him.

 

[Bugs100]

Here is the web site if you read it they make it sound like their pro gun.

http://www.huntersandshooters.org

 

[Dick]

Here is the web site if you read it they make it sound like their pro gun.

http://www.huntersandshooters.org

Yes, I took a look at their web site before I started this thread, and that's why I was asking the question - I agree that the web site makes them look pro-gun, but the radio talk show I listened to was quite the opposite.

For example, in only the 15 minutes that I was tuned in, Rosenthal claimed that the NRA supports getting guns into the hands of criminals, the stooge-like trap guy (who was 78 years old and admittedly didn't seem all there) went on about people owning "automatic weapons" like they were on every street corner (it's possible that he meant semi-automatic, but the bottom line was that he didn't think civilians should be allowed to own whatever it was he was referring to), and Barnicle claimed that it was possible to walk into "any gun show in the country" and load up your trunk with all types of weapons - no questions asked. Rosenthal, at least, corrected him by mentioning that some states (including Massachusetts) do regulate sales at gun shows, but then added that the rules only apply to dealers and the hallways are full of private sellers and you can get whatever you want from them.

Rosenthal went on to talk about .50 caliber Barrett rifles, indicating that their web site not only bragged about them being able to shoot down airliners, but they even provided detailed instructions on where to aim for maximum effect! (For the record, I visited their web site and - what a surprise! - there was nothing even remotely like that). He also claimed that one (unnamed) manufacturer promotes a special finish on its handguns that won't allow fingerprints to be lifted - I don't know who he might have been referring to, so maybe someone else can comment on that.

So, whatever their web site may pretend they're standing for - and frankly, after you read their stuff you come away with the strong sense that they believe the framers had sport hunting in mind when the drafted the 2nd Amendment (LOL!) - their founder and lead spokesman is definitely not on our side.

 

[KMaurer]

Rosenthal, at least, corrected him by mentioning that some states (including Massachusetts) do regulate sales at gun shows, but then added that the rules only apply to dealers and the hallways are full of private sellers and you can get whatever you want from them.

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He also claimed that one (unnamed) manufacturer promotes a special finish on its handguns that won't allow fingerprints to be lifted - I don't know who he might have been referring to, so maybe someone else can comment on that.

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Never assume that Rosenthal is "correcting" anything. Massachusetts doesn't have any special rules for gun shows. All federally licensed dealers (i.e., all legal dealers) are already required to follow the exact same federal rules selling at a gun show as they do selling from their shop, including form 4437 and NICS background checks. Until they can manage to get all guns banned (except for the few rich and politically connected like themselves) they're trying to force all private sales through the NICS system, state waiting periods, transfer fees and other hoops, or simply eliminate them all together using the specter of "gun shows" to scare the sheeple.

That magic fingerprint proof finish to keep the police from learning that you fired the murder weapon they're whining about is simply the rust-resistant finishes several manufacturers advertise for their guns. I've had a criminalist tell me that that type of finish actually makes it easier to lift good prints from a gun, but Rosenthal will never let the truth stand in the way of a good sounding lie.

Ken

 

[Rob Boudrie]

I haven't researched the issue, but I'd offer pretty good odds the American Hunters and Shooters association does not allow members to vote for their president and board.

 

[SiameseRat]

Either way you look at it, Rosenthal is an ass. I still wish that whichever gun club he belongs to would grow a set and kick his ass out.

 

[Chris]

It's really simple. The Anti's have to LIE to make their point. That alone usually does the trick for most people I talk to. The trouble is that the Anti's have the media.

If the media were as unfriendly to the colonists back in the 1770's, we would sing "God Save the Queen" instead of "America the Beautiful". Because at that time, the vast majority of the citizens (just as today) could care less either way. It was by media support that the 'cause' was rallied.

Of course, the press was a lot more 'free' in those days most were little local private companies driven more to reflect the community.