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American Civil War 2015

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The last civil war ended after four years of fighting. In the next civil war, the north will have disarmed itself and conditioned its people to comply. I really don't see the left wing liberals in these states taking up arms. Those with arms will not fight the invaders but will join them. It could all be over in a matter of weeks. The question is whether they would bother with CT, RI, and MA after taking Washington and NY. If they were smart they would march all the way up to arrest the traitors here because the source of tyranny traces its roots back to Boston and Chicago. It is not a matter of if, but when. It will start as secession and then a war as in 1861.

Every day I wake up and see another freedom removed. It seems that MA residents generally have a high tolerance to high taxation and loss of freedom. Thank God there are states left that do not. You can't continue to impose the will of those in a handful of states on other states that as a whole, oppose that will. For example, Texas did not vote for Obama, an AWB, higher federal taxes, increased federal spending, and amnesty for illegal immigrants. Where is the tipping point?
 
To think it will be civil war is foolish. There's no great regional divide. The margins are too slim. Economies are too integrated.

Revolution... now that is an interesting possibility.
 
Wont be a shooting war. Itwill be an arrest and detain, kill withpaperwork,and set off race riot shindig. Full on shooting between states I dont see it happening.
 
civil war,,, no. revolution perhaps. i believe that recent events may be the tyranny that inspired our forefathers to create the 2nd amendment. when the people are no longer represented in government, taxation becomes too much of a burden,constitutional rights are eroded and infringed, the people will rise.but you know what? its not bad enough yet, it needs to get much worse. i say this as a patriot, not enough people are pissed off yet to make a difference, im sorry but most of America is made up of sheep looking for the government to save them. one look at our elected reps will tell you that we are not yet ready for revolution.
 
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I think those in the moonbat states will be in the thick of it. Behind enemy lines so to say. May not be as much shooting as hit-run skermishes and burning of certain peoples homes. Molotovs will be a valuable weapon.
 
I was in a gun shop two nights ago and I bought to 30 rnd. AK mags. They're in clear vacuum sealed plastic bags and they're marked, "7.62 x 39 30 Round Magazine AK47 MA Compliant. I paid good money, after tax dollars for them. In a year I'll be a felon for possessing them. These bastards are trying to make me a felon for possessing something I bought legally.
 
You will not have to worry about the Northern liberals: They have no sack to pick up a gun let alone know how to rack it... It is the DHS Brownshirts that will be the mercenaries sent out to protect the liberal commie fascists. Now, the DHS, that is who I worry about.

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May not be as much shooting as hit-run skermishes and burning of certain peoples homes. Molotovs will be a valuable weapon.

As outrageous as the mag limits and "assault weapon" bans are, I can't help thinking it's likely that the best tool for resisting the government would be the good old 30-06 with a high powered scope...
 
Here is what I posted on FB privately to a friend as possible scenarios to the US's demise:


What I am onto is that my through my reading of history I have seen no example of government giving back the power it stole from the people (usually it steals it from them willingly sadly). The Greek republic fell from within and the Roman Republic fell from within. We are following in the footsteps of Rome. The US revolution is one of if not the only time a revolution has resulted in a limited government that espoused liberty. Many times the new government is worse than the one that was overthrown. One of a few things will possibly happen:.

1: The US will fracture into nation states (due to economic collapse) with the northeast being a socialist enclave (that will ultimately fail) and the South and Texas varying in how much liberty you have, Montana will go on its own and the west coast will probably band together as another socialist paradise. A likely scenario. Should this happen, I will be trekking it down to Texas if NH doesn't tell its socialist neighbors to FOAD and I am unable to fight as an NH citizen.

2: The US will continue its downward spiral and no one will be the wiser, thanks to the Patriot act, NDAA 12', the presidential hit list of citizens and a complicit media, those who speak up will be removed from society never to be heard of again. This is fairly likely. Most people don't have the mental drive that the Founders (or the Confederates) did to wage war in a revolution.

3: The above happens BUT enough people wake up en mass and take the government to town with the help of military defectors to retake the republic. I think this is less likely than the others. Even if this did happen, there is no guarantee the victors would be able to create a new republic in the image of the founding ideals.

4: The SHTF in the middle east or China and Japan actually go at it, being a catalyst for WWIII. The only outcome of WWIII is nuclear winter. This is sadly a likely scenario. The Fallout PC games (and the latest ones for the consoles as well) give a fair representation of life after nuclear winter if you survive.

In all of the above scenarios, you WILL need a Rifle, a Handgun, ammo and magazines for both of those weapons, and to have practiced using those weapons (on a range at the very least). You will also need food and water (the south looks better in that regard with longer growing seasons and no winter). For the rifle, an AR-15, M1A, AK-47/AK-74 (the civilian version), or FAL will work. If you are low on funds, you can pickup a surplus Russian Mosin Nagant Bolt rifle for $100-$150. Ammo is super cheap, 440 rounds for $80.
For the handgun, any of the major brands will work. I personally recommend either a Glock 17 (mags are everywhere, so aren't glock 17's) or a Ruger SR9 if money is a concern right now. You want 9mm for the handgun since the ammo is so ubiquitous. If you have the money, add a 1911 in .45 in addition to a 9mm.

The US has reached the end of the road. Neither party will turn the bus headed toward a cliff around. One of those scenarios above WILL happen, it is no longer a question of If, but When. I am not God, I cannot say when.

Is this all very pessimistic? You betcha. History shows me no other alternatives and history has a way of repeating itself. So you must prepare for the worst (one of the above happening in your lifetime) and hope (or pray depending on your persuasion) for the best (that the above does not happen in your lifetime.).

I posted that several months before the election but I believe that most of it is still a good indicator of what will happen from a big picture POV. I did not include the possibility of combinations of the above 4 scenarios playing out. There are a lot of variables and I tried to simplify it for brevity.

I am of the opinion (especially after the election and this recent BS) that something bad regarding the state of the US is going to happen in my lifetime. The pessimist in me believes it will happen in the next 5 years or sooner at the rate we are going. The optimist believes the next 10-15 years, which is still kinda pessimistic lol.
 
I really don't see the left wing liberals in these states taking up arms. Those with arms will not fight the invaders but will join them. It could all be over in a matter of weeks.

I think most common New Englanders would incapacitate themselves via soiled under garments and anxiety attacks if they saw a convoy of southern boys in pickups rocking black rifles...
 
IF it goes down it wouldn't be full scale revolution. I see violent uprisings in certain areas. Armed resistance to gun confiscation. Police departments and government buildings being targeted. Wine things get to a certain level the few liberty minded politicians we have I office may take steps to remove the cancers in office that are causing the violence. Then they steer us back on track with what our forefathers wanted. Trials for those guilty of treason should then take place. I think there should also be a tax revolt.
 
I think the people left in the northeast wont have any guns left. By then itll have gotten so bad with so many anti laws that a lot of us will have moved. The ones left will have lost their guns due to running afoul of the vast network of laws that they continue to create. Any free thinking people will either be gone or jailed. Any free thinking states will secede. It will be the majority of the east against most of the west and south.

At this point Russia and china will throw money and arms and soldiers at one of the groups asking for land and a cut of future profits.

The united states will be divided up into little russia little china and communist us after the smoke settles. Back to bondage again and free thinking people will have to rise again.

In my opinion OB is already working this deal with the Chi coms and Russians. So if we fight assume we will be fighting them as well. And that pickup truck full of southern boys with AR's you speak of will be met with whats called a "UN resistance force" of russian and chinese soldiers armed with mini guns.
 
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And anyone that resists government in any fashion will be painted as an extremist radical by the complicit media. There will be no resistance.

Let me add to police stations and government buildings that media outlets would likely be targeted. Most of the violence would probably be confined to the more oppressed states. I don't see why there'd be much violence in Texas other than texans finally having the freedom to shoot invaders from the other side of the Rio Grand. In the more oppressed states there'd be an insurgence of freedom fighters from other states to help out.

No country is going to take advantage and invade. The UN may step in, but the U.S. has always been the teeth of the UN. Besides, 80-100 million gun owners makes on hell of a defense force. People on the fence may not support revolution, but they sure as hell wouldn't tolerate foriegn forces on our soil.
 
It will all hinge on the military personnel and what they do. With guys like mcCrystal saying the AWB is a good thing....kinda scary
 
It will all hinge on the military personnel and what they do. With guys like mcCrystal saying the AWB is a good thing....kinda scary

He's one man. Once you hit O-7 you're more of a politician anyway. I've spent a lot of time in the military and from the conversations I've had with fellow soldiers their loyalty is to the constitution and not the windbag in the oval office.
 
Southern boys in pickup trucks ...

There is no difference in the regional " toughness " of rural people.

A self reliant person in Maine , Alabama or Alaska is not the guy to screw with. People confuse city folk with Northerners. Austin , Denver , whatever ... Full of soft bodied weak minded socialists. Same as Boston.
 
he best tool for resisting the government would be the good old 30-06 with a high powered scope...

Bingo. What has not been discussed publicly is that an M1 Garand or an M1A/M14 are far more lethal than an AR15. An AR 15 is fine under 300 yards but that .30 round has an easy effective range of 600 yards with iron sights. The first "school shooting" in America took place in 1966 from the tower at UTexas using hunting rifles (.35 Remington IIRC). The shooter made a number of lethal shots a 500 yards. He killed 16 people. I personally think the reason why they have not noticed the M1 series of rifles is that they don't look scary and they are too expensive (at least the M1A) for most of the crazies to afford.

Oh, and what you are all forgetting is that we are running out of oil. Right now paying $3 a gallon of gas is a pain in the ass. That price jumps to $10 in the next decade and there are going to be a lot of poor, hungry people out there.
 
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I think most common New Englanders would incapacitate themselves via soiled under garments and anxiety attacks if they saw a convoy of southern boys in pickups rocking black rifles...

Particularly if the South adopts a take no prisoners policy. Putting them back into circulation after a war/revolution doesn't solve any problems. Tyrants must be excised.
 
It could all be over in a matter of weeks.

WWI was going to be over by Christmas, to.

From a Southerner born and bred, I'll just say this -
never underestimate the ability of a modern nationstate to spool up to fighting strength right quick.

It feels good before the war to have the hardscrabble tough, accurate mountain boys and the gallant cavaliers while most of the damnyankees couldn't hit the broadside of a barn.

.. until you find yourself looking at a never-ending stream of immigrants enlisted right off the boat, each handed a shiny new Boston Dynamics dron... I mean.... Springfield rifle.

The POTB have a way of shattering pretty illusions right quick.

Doesn't mean tuck tail - the Alamo was worth it.
Just don't fool yourself into thinking it'd be a lark.

Or a sure thing. What happens to human liberty if that roll of the dice fails?
If there's one thing everyone from Hannibal to Lee will attest - history is not a storybook.
One's own side don't always win. And losing tends to be permanent.
 
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Just to throw another consideration in here. Information is power. There would likely be a sophisticated cyber component to all this, and IMHO it would be critical to determining outcomes. You cannot disregard foreign (government or individual) opportunism in your calculus, either.
 
Southern boys in pickup trucks ...

There is no difference in the regional " toughness " of rural people.

A self reliant person in Maine , Alabama or Alaska is not the guy to screw with. People confuse city folk with Northerners. Austin , Denver , whatever ... Full of soft bodied weak minded socialists. Same as Boston.

I think many underestimate the rural areas of New England. Thanks to the moonbat infested urban centers who 'represent' the rest of us, the perception that Massachusetts as a whole is brimming with socialists is an easy one to make. Certainly, Western Massachusetts, Northwest Connecticut, Southern Vermont and Eastern New York are stocked themselves with sheep, (both real and metphor), but scratch below the surface and you'll find an army of entrenched, native Swamp Yankees who when poked like a bear, will come out swinging. I remember hanging out with some of my brothers friends in rural Alabama some years ago. We were chiding one another about our homeland. Bill was under the impression that because I was from Massachusetts that I must be from Boston. When I explained to him that I came from the mountains of Western Massachusetts, he looked puzzled - even more so when I explained that while the South certainly adopted the hillbilly moniker, that a trip to Weatern Massachusetts would reveal that not all of us New Englanders - even many in the infected urban regions, are the soft city types he imagined...
 
this is truly what i see coming soon to a theater near you
Disarm whitey then tell minorities there lot in life is whitey in the suburbs fault. Of course we need more laws and taxes to keep you safe in your happy 'burbs.
Don'tbuy the racewar, dont go to dorchester to hand out hugs either of course.
 
When I bought mine, it was with the intent to prevent that kind of thing.

I bought mine to defend against a tyrannical government. I know, even if I hunted it would be fun to hunt with a 30 round mag., but 30 rounds is not necessary. No, the mags. are to defend the family, the fellow patriots, and the nation.
 
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