American Bar Assoc Resolution to Ban Guns on Campus

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”Resolution 603, adopted by the ABA House of Delegates at its midyear meeting in February 2023, urges state and local governments to enact laws and regulations banning guns on college campuses, or at least to permit higher education institutions to restrict the presence of firearms on their own campuses...

First, college students are more at risk for suicide than most other segments of the population, and access to firearms substantially increases both the likelihood of a suicide attempt and the likelihood that a suicide attempt will be fatal (the footnotes cite many sources to support these propositions about the association between firearm access and suicide). Second, college campuses already have an unfortunate prevalence of interpersonal violence, such as sexual assault and intimate partner violence, and easy access to firearms escalates the frequency and severity of such violence. Third, the increased presence of firearms on campus is likely to raise the incidence of other campus crimes, accidental shootings (especially on campuses with widespread alcohol and drug abuse), and thefts of firearms (college students are generally not careful about safe storage of weapons)…

“Forcing guns onto college campuses also inhibits the free exchange of ideas in the classroom by making students and faculty feel less safe to express their views”…“There is no credible evidence to suggest that students carrying guns will reduce violence on college campuses. Instead, evidence suggests that permissive concealed gun carrying generally will increase crime and place students at risk.”


“Forcing guns onto college campuses” LOL 😂 Isn’t restricting the exercise of a civil right by force of law the question?

”There’s no credible evidence” - meaning, we’ve seen and reject evidence disagreeing with our gun prohibitionist desires.
 

”Resolution 603, adopted by the ABA House of Delegates at its midyear meeting in February 2023, urges state and local governments to enact laws and regulations banning guns on college campuses, or at least to permit higher education institutions to restrict the presence of firearms on their own campuses...

First, college students are more at risk for suicide than most other segments of the population, and access to firearms substantially increases both the likelihood of a suicide attempt and the likelihood that a suicide attempt will be fatal (the footnotes cite many sources to support these propositions about the association between firearm access and suicide). Second, college campuses already have an unfortunate prevalence of interpersonal violence, such as sexual assault and intimate partner violence, and easy access to firearms escalates the frequency and severity of such violence. Third, the increased presence of firearms on campus is likely to raise the incidence of other campus crimes, accidental shootings (especially on campuses with widespread alcohol and drug abuse), and thefts of firearms (college students are generally not careful about safe storage of weapons)…

“Forcing guns onto college campuses also inhibits the free exchange of ideas in the classroom by making students and faculty feel less safe to express their views”…“There is no credible evidence to suggest that students carrying guns will reduce violence on college campuses. Instead, evidence suggests that permissive concealed gun carrying generally will increase crime and place students at risk.”


“Forcing guns onto college campuses” LOL 😂 Isn’t restricting the exercise of a civil right by force of law the question?

”There’s no credible evidence” - meaning, we’ve seen and reject evidence disagreeing with our gun prohibitionist desires.
Beacause easy access to firearms is a big red flag, what about all the firearms that aren’t involved in violence ? This argument sounds very similar to white people saying that since sooo many blacks are violent , we should ban blacks from college. its racist to think that way in both examples !
 
It’s interesting that the ABA considers legally possessed guns on campus as adding fuel to the flames of rampant use of prohibited alcohol and drugs. If they just double-banned the use of prohibited alcohol and drugs, college CCW wouldn’t be such an issue?

It should be easy to test - in the laws in the 16 states that already say “no guns on campus” you just add alcohol and drugs so the laws says “no guns, alcohol or drugs on campus.” Three problems solved! Then, if the courts reverse the gun bans, they still have effective alcohol & drug bans 😉
 
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First, college students are more at risk for suicide than most other segments of the population, and access to firearms substantially increases both the likelihood of a suicide attempt and the likelihood that a suicide attempt will be fatal

If that's the case, they should tear down all buildings on college campuses that are over two stories high.
 
If that's the case, they should tear down all buildings on college campuses that are over two stories high.
Wouldn't it be better to address the reason WHY college students are a high suicide risk group instead of everything else? Or, maybe before taking ANY other actions??

Oh, right, I'm trying to use LOGIC in this. I forgot that logic is just another four lettered word to these jackwaffles.
 
Beacause easy access to firearms is a big red flag, what about all the firearms that aren’t involved in violence ? This argument sounds very similar to white people saying that since sooo many blacks are violent , we should ban blacks from college. its racist to think that way in both examples !
I'd go for a ban on progressives. That would be exceedingly useful, IMHO.
 
Does that mean the lawyers won't carry on campus either? There is a reason they walk around the metal detectors at the courthouse.
 

”Resolution 603, adopted by the ABA House of Delegates at its midyear meeting in February 2023, urges state and local governments to enact laws and regulations banning guns on college campuses, or at least to permit higher education institutions to restrict the presence of firearms on their own campuses...

First, college students are more at risk for suicide than most other segments of the population, and access to firearms substantially increases both the likelihood of a suicide attempt and the likelihood that a suicide attempt will be fatal (the footnotes cite many sources to support these propositions about the association between firearm access and suicide). Second, college campuses already have an unfortunate prevalence of interpersonal violence, such as sexual assault and intimate partner violence, and easy access to firearms escalates the frequency and severity of such violence. Third, the increased presence of firearms on campus is likely to raise the incidence of other campus crimes, accidental shootings (especially on campuses with widespread alcohol and drug abuse), and thefts of firearms (college students are generally not careful about safe storage of weapons)…

“Forcing guns onto college campuses also inhibits the free exchange of ideas in the classroom by making students and faculty feel less safe to express their views”…“There is no credible evidence to suggest that students carrying guns will reduce violence on college campuses. Instead, evidence suggests that permissive concealed gun carrying generally will increase crime and place students at risk.”


“Forcing guns onto college campuses” LOL 😂 Isn’t restricting the exercise of a civil right by force of law the question?

”There’s no credible evidence” - meaning, we’ve seen and reject evidence disagreeing with our gun prohibitionist desires.
The communists have infiltrated the law schools, which is incredibly dangerous. Those law students will become politicians, judges, and district attorneys. They are already making a mess of things in our country.
 
The ABA continues its death spiral
If only they would die! But they won’t, unfortunately…

How did the Am Bar Assoc, Am Medical Assoc, and countless other professional organizations swing Liberal/Progressive?

A casual search finds many articles on the racist past of ABA, AMA, etc. - they should be “dismantled” along with other racist institutions, but the anti racists are fine with just mea culpa resolutions, all but eliminating law & med school entrance exams and credentialing exams, etc. Thank God for the Federalist Society!


 
If only they would die! But they won’t, unfortunately…

How did the Am Bar Assoc, Am Medical Assoc, and countless other professional organizations swing Liberal/Progressive?

A casual search finds many articles on the racist past of ABA, AMA, etc. - they should be “dismantled” along with other racist institutions, but the anti racists are fine with just mea culpa resolutions, all but eliminating law & med school entrance exams and credentialing exams, etc. Thank God for the Federalist Society!


I expect part of the problem is that outsiders are convinced to still give credence by propagandists disguised as journalists. Couple that with free admission for recent graduates and they can claim continued relevance, even though folks in industry increasingly refuse to renew.

It feels like a solution would be to refuse to hire anyone who maintains a membership...
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I expect part of the problem is that outsiders are convinced to still give credence by propagandists disguised as journalists. Couple that with free admission for recent graduates and they can claim continued relevance, even though folks in industry increasingly refuse to renew.

It feels like a solution would be to refuse to hire anyone who maintains a membership...
Given a choice between top lawyers, top doctors, etc., I’d take the non-Progressive ones, if I could find that aspect of their character out. The counterproductive nature of Affirmative Action in admissions leaves me to consider any professional who is a white male, that graduated from a 1st/2nd tier school, has to be the best, as they got no "White Privilege" in admissions. Even the "legacy" admissions came from a family that sent them to top prep/college before they got into their Daddy’s school.

Fair or not, I’d consider young minority doctors to be of lesser caliber than older "foreign" doctors who had to take a residency (and some times Med School) all over again to be licensed in the US. Young minority lawyers? Only if I was broke and got a public defender…
 
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The International Clown Organization (aka The Posse) resolves that all lawyers, including judges, should be required to wear big-ass floppy shoes in court. Because this is in our wheelhouse.


Can anyone stay in their own F'ing lane anymore?
 
It’s interesting that the ABA considers legally possessed guns on campus as adding fuel to the flames of rampant use of prohibited alcohol and drugs. If they just double-banned the use of prohibited alcohol and drugs, college CCW wouldn’t be such an issue?

It should be easy to test - in the laws in the 16 states that already say “no guns on campus” you just add alcohol and drugs so the laws says “no guns, alcohol or drugs on campus.” Three problems solved! Then, if the courts reverse the gun bans, they still have effective alcohol & drug bans 😉
ATF that stuff and see if it changes things. I like it. The double ban is a good point to track.

Obviously making illegal actions more illegal is the way to fix the world!
 
Does that mean the lawyers won't carry on campus either? There is a reason they walk around the metal detectors at the courthouse.
There is a reason, but it is not what you think it is. Many of the people in the courthouse that walk around the metal detectors are courthouse employees/ADAs. They are allowed to. Lawyers who do not have an access badge are given the courtesy to bypass screening, but may not carry in the courthouse. MA courts have courtesy security lock boxes where a lawyer (and perhaps others) may store their firearms while in the courthouse. It is my experience that these boxes are rarely used. Out of all the courts that I've been in, only the Edward Brooke courthouse in Boston had people carrying other than myself.
 
First, college students are more at risk for suicide than most other segments of the population,
Second, college campuses already have an unfortunate prevalence of interpersonal violence, such as sexual assault and intimate partner violence
(especially on campuses with widespread alcohol and drug abuse
^^^ Not quotes from MaverickNH but from the article.

From their own words in the article. I will say remote learning is much safer than going to a college campus with that many issues.
 
^^^ Not quotes from MaverickNH but from the article.

From their own words in the article. I will say remote learning is much safer than going to a college campus with that many issues.
"Prove us wrong" say the lawyers! Who offer no proof they are right… They don’t have to, ’cause guns ‘r bad.
 
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