'Am I going to jail?' Shocking moment a SIX-YEAR-OLD girl is committed to a mental health facility

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'Am I going to jail?' Shocking moment a SIX-YEAR-OLD girl is committed to a mental health facility without her parents' permission where she was sedated and kept from her mom for TWO DAYS because her school said she was 'out of control'
  • Police bodycam footage has emerged showing Nadia Falk, six, being escorted from her elementary school in Jacksonville, Florida, by a group of cops
  • Her mother Martina expressed her pain at seeing her daughter being taken away
  • Nadia was said to have been heavily sedated, isolated and held for 48 hours
  • She was claimed to have been throwing things and attacking school staff
  • Sympathetic cops questioned why they had been called out
  • The officers said that Nadia seemed pleasant, calm and co-operative
  • The six-year-old was committed under the Baker Act, a Florida law
  • The act allows involuntary detention for people impaired by mental illness
  • Love Grove Elementary School is investigating the incident
Police bodycam footage has emerged of the moment a six-year-old girl was escorted from her elementary school in Florida by a group of cops before being committed to a mental health facility without her parents' permission because she had a 'tantrum'.

On February 4, six-year-old Nadia Falk was taken to a mental health facility without her mother's permission after staff at Love Grove Elementary School called social workers claiming the girl, who has ADHD and a personality disorder, was throwing things and harming staff.

Nadia was taken to a mental health facility where she was sedated and held for 48 hours without seeing her mother, Martina.

Now, Martina is speaking out about the horrifying ordeal and questions over why the child was treated so harshly are being asked.


Could this happen in Massachusetts?

Will she now be a PP (Prohibited Person) with regards to gun rights?

Would this have happened to a white child?
 

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Lol, I've seen bad kids acting badly. The parents should get a short stay as well. I say good riddance...
Oh, I don't have any kids...
 

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1. There is no such BULLSHIT act here like that... Maybe a CHINS warrant is close, but not really.

2. You can section 12 someone, but unless the kid is trying to kill themselves, it's not really applicable.

3. f*** everyone that was involved in that decision.
 

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That's horrible. I feel bad for the little girl. The state should not be able to do that without a parent's consent.

But I'm going to play devil's advocate for a second.

What if she was acting out violently by throwing chairs and stainless steel water bottles. (Which most kids carry). She would be putting herself and other children in serious danger. I don't know if that is the case here.

What If the School explained the violent and disruptive behavior to the parent And they did nothing. What is the school supposed to do?
I know of A situation where there was a child exhibiting similar behavior.
The teacher could not teach because of constant outburst and throwing of objects. Several of the parents would not send their child to class. For the fear that their child would be injured by the other students throwing of chairs and water bottles. This went on for entire week till that child was removed.
 

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That's horrible. I feel bad for the little girl. The state should not be able to do that without a parent's consent.

But I'm going to play devil's advocate for a second.

What if she was acting out violently by throwing chairs and stainless steel water bottles. (Which most kids carry). She would be putting herself and other children in serious danger. I don't know if that is the case here.

What If the School explained the violent and disruptive behavior to the parent And they did nothing. What is the school supposed to do?
I know of A situation where there was a child exhibiting similar behavior.
The teacher could not teach because of constant outburst and throwing of objects. Several of the parents would not send their child to class. For the fear that their child would be injured by the other students throwing of chairs and water bottles. This went on for entire week till that child was removed.
While wrapping up my business degree I worked for a school district as a sub and aid. Mostly I worked as an aid, either with kids way behind, way ahead, or sometimes with behavioral issues. At the main school I worked at, they had a EMH program (educable mentally handicapped) that partially integrated special needs kids in a general program. Of those I worked with, 19 of 20 kids were wonderful. Challenging, but wonderful and well deserving of attending a 'regular' school. One was badly spoiled on top of being immensely difficult and occasionally violent. She needed to be removed from the program but even on her worst day, you don't do that with cops and you sure has hell don't take the kid from parents and have that kid committed.

I hope that school and all involved face serious consequences.
 

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I agree , I also don't know the circumstances. Most elementary schools are not equipped to handle that type of student.

In my district first grade on there is one teacher no aid.
What if the School made repeated attempts to place that child into a school for children with behavioral issues. Similar to the school you worked in. And the parent ignored those requests. Just kept sending their child to school. Ignoring recommendations from staff.
Just saying. I cannot pass judgment until I know all the facts.
 

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That's horrible. I feel bad for the little girl. The state should not be able to do that without a parent's consent.

But I'm going to play devil's advocate for a second.

What if she was acting out violently by throwing chairs and stainless steel water bottles. (Which most kids carry). She would be putting herself and other children in serious danger. I don't know if that is the case here.

What If the School explained the violent and disruptive behavior to the parent And they did nothing. What is the school supposed to do?
I know of A situation where there was a child exhibiting similar behavior.
The teacher could not teach because of constant outburst and throwing of objects. Several of the parents would not send their child to class. For the fear that their child would be injured by the other students throwing of chairs and water bottles. This went on for entire week till that child was removed.
Then you expel the kid.
Taking it beyond that is stepping way , way over the line.
 
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How the hell can grown adults not be able to control a child at the age of six?
I know in MA, you have to call a restraint team in, you can't physically touch them yourself.
I say bullshit, if a child is using violent behavior, I control them to protect the other children and myself. A nice gentle bear hug would work wonders. If needed, a little more gentler, until my non verbal message was heard loud and clear. Unfortunately, I would also lose my job and get sued by the incompetent mother and father, if there was one.
In this situation, once the police showed, no further physical or chemical restraint looked like it was needed.
The poor girl, everybody has failed her in this situation.
 
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How the hell can grown adults not be able to control a child at the age of six?
I know in MA, you have to call a restraint team in, you can't physically touch them yourself.
I say bullshit, if a child is using violent behavior, I control them to protect the other children and myself. A nice gentle bear hug would work wonders. If needed, a little more gentler, until my non verbal message was heard loud and clear. Unfortunately, I would also lose my job and get sued by the incompetent mother and father, if there was one.
In this situation, once the police showed, no further physical or chemical restraint looked like it was needed.
The poor girl, everybody has failed her in this situation.
On the other side of the fence incompetent educators and assistants incorrectly use force and restraint against genuinely mentally ill kids all the time.
 
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How the hell can grown adults not be able to control a child at the age of six?
I know in MA, you have to call a restraint team in, you can't physically touch them yourself.
I say bullshit, if a child is using violent behavior, I control them to protect the other children and myself. A nice gentle bear hug would work wonders. If needed, a little more gentler, until my non verbal message was heard loud and clear. Unfortunately, I would also lose my job and get sued by the incompetent mother and father, if there was one.
In this situation, once the police showed, no further physical or chemical restraint looked like it was needed.
The poor girl, everybody has failed her in this situation.
My wife is a teacher's aide. She can NOT touch a child to discipline them. She was at a middle school for one year, the kids were as big as she if not bigger. Several fights broke out in her area, all she could do is call the principal. She moved to a different school and swore we'd never send our kids to that school.

I know for a fact that schools are loathe to 'expel' someone (at least down here) because it affects the school's 'score' when it comes to whoever is in charge of scoring them. My wife sat in the class of the kids that should have been expelled. Without the ability to discipline the kids and the inability to expel them, I'm not sure what anyone can do when the parents don't give two quacks about their own kid.

As for the school's score, how much lower can you go than "F" at that point?
 

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On the other side of the fence incompetent educators and assistants incorrectly use force and restraint against genuinely mentally ill kids all the time.
Part of the problem IMHO is all this "progressive" douchebaggery about trying to integrate f***ed up kids into normal classrooms. No, nobody wants their kid to be in the special ed room, but guess what, schools did that for a long time and magically you didn't have cops coming to schools all the time, because the teachers that work in those classrooms are better trained to
deal with mental illness. This ham fisted "integration" stuff is often not done right and is not fair to the teachers or for that matter, the students. In between the establishment and government, both entities have been selling the truly mentally ill down the river for decades, because they can get away with screwing them, due to basically being invisible until one of them
shoots up a school or something, and even then the people are still invisible because moonbats waste all the airtime braying about guns without wanting to ask the obvious question of how junior came to be psychologically in such a way that they'd want to kill their classmates....

Yes some of the old school looney bins were terrible places. I get that. But there has to be a better option than gladhanding parents, throwing a bunch of pills at them and giving their kid a monthly therapy sesh thinking that magically everything will be OK as a result.... Hell, some mentally ill kids are getting even less than that.


-Mike
 

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That's horrible. I feel bad for the little girl. The state should not be able to do that without a parent's consent.

But I'm going to play devil's advocate for a second.

What if she was acting out violently by throwing chairs and stainless steel water bottles. (Which most kids carry). She would be putting herself and other children in serious danger. I don't know if that is the case here.

What If the School explained the violent and disruptive behavior to the parent And they did nothing. What is the school supposed to do?
I know of A situation where there was a child exhibiting similar behavior.
The teacher could not teach because of constant outburst and throwing of objects. Several of the parents would not send their child to class. For the fear that their child would be injured by the other students throwing of chairs and water bottles. This went on for entire week till that child was removed.
I have two severe special needs children, one is 15, very violent (most self-injury but has injured teachers/caregivers inadvertently when throwing stuff or thrashing about). She’s covered from head to toes in bruises and lives in a group home run by her special school. They have restraint & hold protocols, the staff wear arm guards, helmets, etc (not all of them do, not all the time). My kid has a soft wrap around helmet w face guard clipped yo her backpack. Whenever they implement a hold they are required to call us and email us a report (which gets filed w the state). Sometimes we’ll go a month w no call, sometimes we get a call daily for a week. My significant other is a severe special needs certified teacher, she’s trained.

How in f***s name can’t these trained educators manage a goddamned six year old? And how about trained police? They can’t restrain a 6 year old long enough for it to calm down or until a teacher/parent can get control of the situation?

There was a story not long ago in Attleboro, a 20something year old special need man was thrashing about at the special needs facility, hit a staffer. This guy was severely cognitively delayed, he watched Elmo & other kids shows, a toddler in an adults body, much like one of my kids. He was arrested for assault. The judge immediately threw out the case based on his obvious condition/disability... and the DA actually appealed the judge’s decision. put the family through hell until finally the appeal was denied.

Then there’s Justina Pelletier. It’s always in the back of my mind if we get stopped or are in a public place and my child gets out of control, particularly whens she’s w the staff or their mom. When the staff take her out in public, which is rare and for very short trips, the put a belt on her w handles in case they need to hold on to her.
 
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