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Welfare is 7-8% of the total state budget so it's not as bad as you think, but the system definitely does need to be overhauled to kick off the leaches and career welfare bums. They shouldn't be able to spend the money on anything other than basic living expenses. The amount of money they receive is actually pretty minimal, it's like living on SSI or disability. There are a lot of rules to follow and there is a fraud prevention team but it costs money to enforce so they can only do so much. Most of these folks game the system by not reporting additional "family" income. Maybe they're working under the table or claiming to have only one income from a crappy part-time job but the boyfriend is also living there and contributing to the household. Also, keep in mind that there are multiple agencies and types of benefits that all have different rules. Massachusetts is VERY loose with food stamp eligibility requiremants so nearly anyone can get them so there's more abuse of system. On the other hand, benefits like Section 8 (rental assistance), AFDC (Aid to Families with Dependent Children) have stricter rules and are harder to abuse. If it makes you feel any better, a single male with no children can't get sh!t. Food stamps and a cot at the shelter are about all.

Also, the amount of waste in the federal budget for military and defense should outrage you way more.
 

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Welfare is 7-8% of the total state budget so it's not as bad as you think, but the system definitely does need to be overhauled to kick off the leaches and career welfare bums. They shouldn't be able to spend the money on anything other than basic living expenses. The amount of money they receive is actually pretty minimal, it's like living on SSI or disability. There are a lot of rules to follow and there is a fraud prevention team but it costs money to enforce so they can only do so much. Most of these folks game the system by not reporting additional "family" income. Maybe they're working under the table or claiming to have only one income from a crappy part-time job but the boyfriend is also living there and contributing to the household. Also, keep in mind that there are multiple agencies and types of benefits that all have different rules. Massachusetts is VERY loose with food stamp eligibility requiremants so nearly anyone can get them so there's more abuse of system. On the other hand, benefits like Section 8 (rental assistance), AFDC (Aid to Families with Dependent Children) have stricter rules and are harder to abuse. If it makes you feel any better, a single male with no children can't get sh!t. Food stamps and a cot at the shelter are about all.

Also, the amount of waste in the federal budget for military and defense should outrage you way more.
How much would the Commonwealth be spending on welfare if they got rid of the fraud? I bet it would be below 5%
The Commonwealth points to stories like this...https://www.bostonherald.com/2019/08/06/weed-whackers-state-thwarts-34-cases-of-people-trying-to-buy-pot-with-tax-funded-ebt-cards/ on how they are cracking down. How about making the cards for food only, no cash withdrawals. Also crack down on the stores that are enabling this bullshit, I don't know how many times I have been in Market Basket and seeing someone take out a SNAP card from their wallet while it's stuffed with cash.
 

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I remember reading somewhere that there are people living in PR that came here just to get EBT etc and then go back to PR and live.
MA doesn't have a requirement for time of residency in the state before being eligible for benefits. A lot of states require someone to be a resident for 30 days, 60 days, etc. but I have no idea what the specifics are. MA just lets people fly right in from wherever and go straight to the welfare office. They collect their benefits, hang around for a while and then go back to Puerto Rico and continue to receive benefits fora few months until they fail to show up for their appointment and get booted off.

Some people even collect benefits in multiple states because the computer system is a POS and not all interconnected like you'd expect. States use their own software so the networks can't even "talk" to each other to flag the violators.
 

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Of course poeople are spending their money on what they want.
If the gov. gives people money, there is no way they can truly regulate how it is spent, and trying to do so means defining to the "t" what can and cannot be bought.
At that point, do not give money, give the goods, food etc...
And if someone wants to parlay their gov. cheese into a pack of cigarettes are we going to start watching them eat?
The best regulation would be perhaps new guidlines to gain and keep eligibility for said programs. But these will still be manipulated.
At the end of the day we are either OK with people being given tax money for their own expenses, or we are not.
Regulation after the money is out is a dog chasing it's tail.
 

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How much would the Commonwealth be spending on welfare if they got rid of the fraud? I bet it would be below 5%
The Commonwealth points to stories like this...https://www.bostonherald.com/2019/08/06/weed-whackers-state-thwarts-34-cases-of-people-trying-to-buy-pot-with-tax-funded-ebt-cards/ on how they are cracking down. How about making the cards for food only, no cash withdrawals. Also crack down on the stores that are enabling this bullshit, I don't know how many times I have been in Market Basket and seeing someone take out a SNAP card from their wallet while it's stuffed with cash.
And if got rid of welfare altogether - and went back to private charities (the way it used to be) - then the amount spent by the government would be ZERO %.

The whole "if we eliminate fraud - it will all be under control!!" - is just fantasy land unicorn-riding bullshit.

When you say things like this - you're starting from the wrong base argument. IT WILL NEVER BE UNDER CONTROL - start from there, because THAT is the truth.

Government run "welfare" programs are ALWAYS out of control - largely by design, but also just because of the very nature of the people involved in them. First you have all of the people who go for government welfare - instead of trying to take care of themselves or get help from family or friends. Then you have the people running the whole thing. They simply have no skin in the game - and the more they give away to people the longer they keep their government office job and build up that retirement fund.

People who argue that the government should run "welfare" are either clueless idiots - or they're enemy agents who are actively trying to destroy society.
 

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How much would the Commonwealth be spending on welfare if they got rid of the fraud? I bet it would be below 5%
The Commonwealth points to stories like this...https://www.bostonherald.com/2019/08/06/weed-whackers-state-thwarts-34-cases-of-people-trying-to-buy-pot-with-tax-funded-ebt-cards/ on how they are cracking down. How about making the cards for food only, no cash withdrawals. Also crack down on the stores that are enabling this bullshit, I don't know how many times I have been in Market Basket and seeing someone take out a SNAP card from their wallet while it's stuffed with cash.
Absolutely. I'm all for feeding people who are truly needy but we need to boot the leaches. There should be a photo on the card so they can't sell it to someone else and it should only be accepted for specific things like food and maybe local utilities like gas and electric. The ATM feature is total BS.
 

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Absolutely. I'm all for feeding people who are truly needy but we need to boot the leaches. There should be a photo on the card so they can't sell it to someone else and it should only be accepted for specific things like food and maybe local utilities like gas and electric. The ATM feature is total BS.
 

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The libtards that issue these cards have to know WHO is using them and where. Why don't we the taxpayer get to know if and when the "poor person" gets disciplined for the fraud? I suspect that making that info public might expose the fact that many are illegals or legals who have under the table jobs or are drug dealers. Not anything the libs want the taxpayers to learn about.
 

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Bottom line has already been answered in an earlier post, NOTHING will ever be fixed because it keeps the voter base begging for more. Appease the lazy and they will vote for you.
 

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How much better off would we taxpayers all be if the state budget were 7-8% smaller? And counting only welfare is underestimating the burden: EBT (food stamps) is usually not part of it, nor is Medicaid, nor is uncompensated emergency room services, nor is the cost of criminal behavior among the welfare-grifting class. Nor the use of public schools as daycare and food distribution facilities.

See how many children are born to unwed mothers, often by multiple "fathers"? Welfare has destroyed the concept of family among the grifting class, and also destroyed any pride or genuine masculinity among the males, who then turn to crime and violence to validate themselves. BTW, this is not a phenomenon of race. It is the result of systematic destruction of the culture began by Lyndon Johnson and his allies in the 1960s. and the socialist Left since then, exacerbated by demographic corrosion. The movie, Idiocracy, was not supposed to be a prophecy, but it is turning out that way.

Only a return to our original, 18th century concept of legitimate government functions can prevent the collapse of our society.
 

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2019 Annual budget = $41B
8% = $3.28B

B = Billion

That's at least as bad as I thought.

Massachusetts population = 6.9 million

I did some quick searching and there are supposedly 4 million ACTUAL taxpayers in MA.

$3.28 billion / 4,000,000 = $820.00

So on the average - every single actual taxpayer is forking over $820 for just WELFARE every year.

The way these things work is that (obviously) if you make more money - you pay more taxes. So if you're not a low income wage earner , you can probably double that amount.

So welfare is probably costing me $1600 a year.

That's money I'd rather spend on my own child - instead of the child of some illegal immigrants.
 

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How much would the Commonwealth be spending on welfare if they got rid of the fraud? I bet it would be below 5%
The Commonwealth points to stories like this...https://www.bostonherald.com/2019/08/06/weed-whackers-state-thwarts-34-cases-of-people-trying-to-buy-pot-with-tax-funded-ebt-cards/ on how they are cracking down. How about making the cards for food only, no cash withdrawals. Also crack down on the stores that are enabling this bullshit, I don't know how many times I have been in Market Basket and seeing someone take out a SNAP card from their wallet while it's stuffed with cash.
Why can't they just look at the statements for each user and just cut off anyone using it to buy hotels and crap they're not supposed to?

cause they want people to abuse it, so the program grows bigger.

Every government program's goal is to grow itself.
 

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Why can't they just look at the statements for each user and just cut off anyone using it to buy hotels and crap they're not supposed to?

cause they want people to abuse it, so the program grows bigger.

Every government program's goal is to grow itself.
Why couldn't the Registry pull licenses from drunk drivers? Because it would require actual work.
 

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How much better off would we taxpayers all be if the state budget were 7-8% smaller? And counting only welfare is underestimating the burden: EBT (food stamps) is usually not part of it, nor is Medicaid, nor is uncompensated emergency room services, nor is the cost of criminal behavior among the welfare-grifting class. Nor the use of public schools as daycare and food distribution facilities.

See how many children are born to unwed mothers, often by multiple "fathers"? Welfare has destroyed the concept of family among the grifting class, and also destroyed any pride or genuine masculinity among the males, who then turn to crime and violence to validate themselves. BTW, this is not a phenomenon of race. It is the result of systematic destruction of the culture began by Lyndon Johnson and his allies in the 1960s. and the socialist Left since then, exacerbated by demographic corrosion. The movie, Idiocracy, was not supposed to be a prophecy, but it is turning out that way.

Only a return to our original, 18th century concept of legitimate government functions can prevent the collapse of our society.
You should see the thread I started. :)

 
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That is exactly why democrats changed it. They felt people were being stigmatized by showing they rely on the govt for a handout. My position is if you feel that bad then don’t take the handout! The system now is just a free cash system. I rented to a non married couple, they were flush with cash with the EBT system. Plus free rent because she had all the kids and he just lived there unknown to the Govt. friggin ridiculous, although section 8 rent is never late 😉
My wife saw the abuse firsthand. While Jill was getting her monthly pedicure, for which she pays cash, a woman sitting next to her put the pedicure fee and tip on an EBT card, then drove away in a late-model Acura. Jill wrote down the license plate and reported it to the welfare authorities. Whether they actually followed up with an investigation is unknown.
 

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My wife saw the abuse firsthand. While Jill was getting her monthly pedicure, for which she pays cash, a woman sitting next to her put the pedicure fee and tip on an EBT card, then drove away in a late-model Acura. Jill wrote down the license plate and reported it to the welfare authorities. Whether they actually followed up with an investigation is unknown.
I can tell you the answer to that.
 

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My wife saw the abuse firsthand. While Jill was getting her monthly pedicure, for which she pays cash, a woman sitting next to her put the pedicure fee and tip on an EBT card, then drove away in a late-model Acura. Jill wrote down the license plate and reported it to the welfare authorities. Whether they actually followed up with an investigation is unknown.
She should have given the information to Howie Carr, the Commonwealth won't bother unless there is heat on them.
 

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My wife saw the abuse firsthand. While Jill was getting her monthly pedicure, for which she pays cash, a woman sitting next to her put the pedicure fee and tip on an EBT card, then drove away in a late-model Acura. Jill wrote down the license plate and reported it to the welfare authorities. Whether they actually followed up with an investigation is unknown.
Should have followed the woman to wherever she went next - and stole her car , took it for a joyride - and then stripped it.

That's what welfare recipients have done to a couple of my cars.
 
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A friend of mine owned a

3 family in Lowell, he had a section 8 tenant who played those games, he fixed all the supposed problems and then went into the tenants apartment and told them to leave, they refused so he tossed the couch through the 2nd floor window and told them that they were next. He spent a few months in jail but got the tenants out. He said it was worth it.
Probably wouldn't be worth it if he was a LTC holder. The "suitability" clause would allow the issuing department to revoke the LTC or refuse to renew it.
 

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She should have given the information to Howie Carr, the Commonwealth won't bother unless there is heat on them.

Yeah, or just post it on the internet. Follow the woman around and see what she spends money on using the EBT card - and then post that shit all up online. With some help you could probably identify who she was (just post a pic and the license plate - somebody will figure it out) - and then all of her shennanigans will be all over Twitter.

Probably the most effective thing you could to dump a load of shit in her lap.
 
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Should have followed the woman to wherever she went next - and stole her car , took it for a joyride - and then stripped it.

That's what welfare recipients have done to a couple of my cars.
Jill is a proper southern lady. She was raised right and would never stoop to the same level of those scumbags who rip off taxpayer funded giveaway programs.
 

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Jill is a proper southern lady. She was raised right and would never stoop to the same level of those scumbags who rip off taxpayer funded giveaway programs.
That is how my wife is, me on the other hand doesn't mind rolling around in the mud with the scum.
 

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I was driving for uber and a passenger was telling me how great it was that she could use ebt for uber and then asked me to stop so she could get cigarettes, I told her no and she demanded that I stop. I stopped, she got out and I drove off. I bet she was pissed but I was paid.
 

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Welfare is 7-8% of the total state budget so it's not as bad as you think, but the system definitely does need to be overhauled to kick off the leaches and career welfare bums. They shouldn't be able to spend the money on anything other than basic living expenses. The amount of money they receive is actually pretty minimal, it's like living on SSI or disability. There are a lot of rules to follow and there is a fraud prevention team but it costs money to enforce so they can only do so much. Most of these folks game the system by not reporting additional "family" income. Maybe they're working under the table or claiming to have only one income from a crappy part-time job but the boyfriend is also living there and contributing to the household. Also, keep in mind that there are multiple agencies and types of benefits that all have different rules. Massachusetts is VERY loose with food stamp eligibility requiremants so nearly anyone can get them so there's more abuse of system. On the other hand, benefits like Section 8 (rental assistance), AFDC (Aid to Families with Dependent Children) have stricter rules and are harder to abuse. If it makes you feel any better, a single male with no children can't get sh!t. Food stamps and a cot at the shelter are about all.

Also, the amount of waste in the federal budget for military and defense should outrage you way more.
Dude, what do they call "welfare" in the Outer Space?
 
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