After Everything Else, Now I'm a Diabetic Also

[Roadglide]

Echoing what a lot have already said but two weeks of wearing a continuous glucose monitor opened my eyes. Juice and cereal were two of the worst. One glass of orange juice is the equivalent of something like eating five oranges without the fiber. I ate cheerios with oat milk. Spike through the roof. Oat milk causes huge spikes. My breakfast looks more like dinner now. Chicken and broccoli this morning.

 

[IPSC_DRL]

I'm typing this as I sit in the exam room waiting to meet my new doc.

I have been trying to cut out the carbs & sugars that I crave. I also quit drinking.

Been eating lean meat, veggies, & protein.

Dropped some weight but had a hard time sleeping.
We'll see what she says.

Rock, just stay far away from CCH .
Go to Boston if you really need medical care.

 

[Rockrivr1]

Echoing what a lot have already said but two weeks of wearing a continuous glucose monitor opened my eyes. Juice and cereal were two of the worst. One glass of orange juice is the equivalent of something like eating five oranges without the fiber. I ate cheerios with oat milk. Spike through the roof. Oat milk causes huge spikes. My breakfast looks more like dinner now. Chicken and broccoli this morning.

Same. What I don't get is the upward spike in sugar in the morning even though all I've had is coffee. Seems anything can spike sugar. What kills me is you have to really careful of what you may have as a snack after dinner. If not careful the damn monitor goes off in the middle of the night.

 

[Rockrivr1]

Rock, just stay far away from CCH .
Go to Boston if you really need medical care.

Yeah, I was in Falmouth Hospital, which I think is pretty much the same thing. The wife preaches Boston all the time. Her favorite is Newton-Wellesley Hospital, but they've been having problems recently.

 

[Roadglide]

Same. What I don't get is the upward spike in sugar in the morning even though all I've had is coffee. Seems anything can spike sugar. What kills me is you have to really careful of what you may have as a snack after dinner. If not careful the damn monitor goes off in the middle of the night.

I found weird spikes while asleep and it always went up first thing when I woke up. It hurts my brain to try to understand this stuff completely. I know cortisol a levels have an effect on it. If you really want to blow your mind look into carb back loading diets.

 

[Spanz]

OK. First takeaway from this whole post! Thank you.



I've never seen "avocado oil" in the stores.

Def in Whole Foods.
Sometimes i see them at market basket too.

bring your wallet

 

[Prepper]

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Def in Whole Foods.
Sometimes i see them at market basket too.

bring your wallet

That avocado "blend" is probably canola oil, avoid that. The other 2 bottles are good though.

 

[Spanz]

I found weird spikes while asleep and it always went up first thing when I woke up. It hurts my brain to try to understand this stuff completely. I know cortisol a levels have an effect on it. If you really want to blow your mind look into carb back loading diets.

weird stuff happens at night.
woke up to pee at 1:30 am, and as soon as my feet hit the floor my blood sugar spiked up to 155, and stayed up.


its kind of driving me nuts. a lot has to do with if you had any snacks after dinner time, you body stores all that glucose in your lliver. it really helps to stick to a strictly keto diet, which i do admit to cheating on

 

[Rockrivr1]

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Def in Whole Foods.
Sometimes i see them at market basket too.

bring your wallet

OK, if we are going down this rabbit hole, lets talk about the real diabetic killer. Alcohol! A beer or spirits will spike you faster than any cooking/baking oil.

 

[Prepper]

Gatorade has come out with a "No Sugar" option for their drink. When needed I drink that. It tastes pretty much the same as the full sugar one. Kinda like a Diet Coke of Gatorade.

Fake sugar is worse than real sugar. If you really need a drink that isn't water or coffee/tea without sugar, try LMNT. It tastes great and has no real or fake sugars, not even stevia.

Another possibility is seltzer water.... read ingredients carefully to make sure they don't sneak sugar in there. They have flavors but I like to avoid flavors since who knows what that stuff actually is.

 

[NHCraigT]

I joined the club a few weeks ago.

Working on food changes now....

 

[Rockrivr1]

Fake sugar is worse than real sugar. If you really need a drink that isn't water or coffee/tea without sugar, try LMNT. It tastes great and has no real or fake sugars, not even stevia.

Another possibility is seltzer water.... read ingredients carefully to make sure they don't sneak sugar in there. They have flavors but I like to avoid flavors since who knows what that stuff actually is.

Yeah, I know. I have moved away from Gatorade, mostly, and have been drinking Smart Water. Though it's not cheap.

 

[Spanz]

OK, if we are going down this rabbit hole, lets talk about the real diabetic killer. Alcohol! A beer or spirits will spike you faster than any cooking/baking oil.

that is entirely individual.
if i have a few whiskey drinks, my blood sugar goes DOWN slightly.
easily explained: you liver can either process alcohol, or shoot out glucose. when it sees alcohol in your blood it panics, works ONLY on removing the alcohol, and completely gives up trying to inject glucose into your bloodstream.

but the effect varies person to person. And I do NOT do sugary mixed drinks, whiskey, and maybe some flavored bitters and an orange peel.

 

[Rockrivr1]

that is entirely individual.
if i have a few whiskey drinks, my blood sugar goes DOWN slightly

Could be as I don't drink hard spirits that often, but last time I did I had small spike. On the other hand, if I have a Guiness (my favorite beer!) I've spiked up over 300. That is some serious increase. Though I haven't stopped drinking Guiness though, just more of a weekend thing now.

 

[PaulR]

Lots of interesting comments and advice. For which I am grateful.

One of the things I am trying to change is my pattern of eating. Over the past years I have ended to eat smaller meals, but picked up the habit of grazing through the day. I have cut back on eating between meals (mostly) and working on eating three healthy meals a day, with two small, healthy inbetween meal snacks, again, healthy. And not eating after the evening meal.

The other is bread. Bread is one of the oldest and most widespread foods in the world. Just about every group ofpeople have some form of bread. It is so ubiquitous that we eat it almost without thinking. Trying to work out how to handle that in a way that works for me. Not for someone else.

Bread is laden with a chemical shit storm these days.
That's the other half of the reason.
Go fresh/local Sourdough if you must.

 

[Spanz]

Could be as I don't drink hard spirits that often, but last time I did I had small spike. On the other hand, if I have a Guiness (my favorite beer!) I've spiked up over 300. That is some serious increase. Though I haven't stopped drinking Guiness though, just more of a weekend thing now.

in that same graph above, i did have a full tall can of guiness with supper. my blood sugar went to maybe 140 before the meds kicked in and it dropped to ~90 until i fell asleep.

now it if did four guinesses.....that might have overloaded things, but more because of the carbs in the wheat making the beer, than the alcohol

 

[Prepper]

Bread is laden with a chemical shit storm these days.
That's the other half of the reason.
Go fresh/local Sourdough if you must.

If someone must have bread, try Ezekiel bread. You'll find it in the frozen section. It is kind of bland not toasted, but toast it and it is pretty good. I won't claim it won't spike blood sugar though.... but it is better than wonder bread at least.

 

[Spanz]

i will mention one thing i learned the hard way. if the doctor ever gives you antibiotics, watch your blood sugar carefully. Some antibiotics change the effective dose of the diabetes meds you take, often supercharging them. So you end up with low blood sugar events and can not figure out why! Its the antibiotics. they really screw up metformin, for instance

 

[grey]

That avocado "blend" is probably canola oil, avoid that. The other 2 bottles are good though.

I use that stuff. "100% pure avocado oil" is possibly blended? I hope not. I thought i was doing pretty well

 

[TJ4]

If someone must have bread, try Ezekiel bread. You'll find it in the frozen section. It is kind of bland not toasted, but toast it and it is pretty good. I won't claim it won't spike blood sugar though.... but it is better than wonder bread at least.

When Pigs Fly breads typically have 3 or 4 ingredients, and no added soy or high fructose corn syrup. That’s not to say the flour isn’t loaded with pesticides or whatever else has leeched into our food supply, but, just going off of ingredients, if you’re going to eat bread, the list of ingredients should be short and simple.

I’ve seen quite a few nutritionists and medical doctors on Rogan, Ryan, Peterson, and Tucker, and though they may disagree on the best diet plans, they all seem to agree on one thing: your food shouldn’t contain any ingredients that your grandparents or great grandparents wouldn’t recognize.

 

[Prepper]

I use that stuff. "100% pure avocado oil" is possibly blended? I hope not. I thought i was doing pretty wreal!

No that one is good.... go look at the photo, middle bottle says avocado blend. Blend is the key word here, not avocado.

 

[Spanz]

That avocado "blend" is probably canola oil, avoid that. The other 2 bottles are good though.

you can not read it in that picture well, but it is 50% avacado, and 50% ev olive oil.
NOTE the particular brands, and what the label says.


IF it says MADE IN AMERICA, you are good.
if it says OLIVE OIL FROM INTERNATIONAL SOURCES, stay away. the entire EU can not be trusted, at all


i had been buying helman's olive oil mayo, until i read the label and it was a small amount of olive oil, and the rest were seed oils.

 

[Spanz]

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[NHKevin]

you can not read it in that picture well, but it is 50% avacado, and 50% ev olive oil.
NOTE the particular brands, and what the label says.


IF it says MADE IN AMERICA, you are good.
if it says OLIVE OIL FROM INTERNATIONAL SOURCES, stay away. the entire EU can not be trusted, at all


i had been buying helman's olive oil mayo, until i read the label and it was a small amount of olive oil, and the rest were seed oils.

This stuff is excellent:

Home

 

[Golddiggie]

Bread is laden with a chemical shit storm these days.
That's the other half of the reason.
Go fresh/local Sourdough if you must.

Just another reason why I make my own bread these days.

As for the oil comments (just caught up on the thread). I use EVOO for almost everything these days. I have a non-stick pan to make eggs in for those mornings. Otherwise, EVOO for everything else cooked inside. I can a pure canola oil spray that I use on the BGE grate when grilling. I also use 2oz in my bread recipe (EVOO) anD it comes out great. Since I also use EVOO for my salad dressing, it just makes sense (to me at least) to only get that. Not going to buy multiple different oils for things. If you're smart enough you can use EVOO for pretty much everything. I even use it when making taco meat (93% lean ground turkey) to saute some onions first. Knowing WHEN to add the oil to the pan is critical. After enough decades cooking, you just know.

 

[Spanz]

Just another reason why I make my own bread these days.

As for the oil comments (just caught up on the thread). I use EVOO for almost everything these days. I have a non-stick pan to make eggs in for those mornings. Otherwise, EVOO for everything else cooked inside. I can a pure canola oil spray that I use on the BGE grate when grilling. I also use 2oz in my bread recipe (EVOO) anD it comes out great. Since I also use EVOO for my salad dressing, it just makes sense (to me at least) to only get that. Not going to buy multiple different oils for things. If you're smart enough you can use EVOO for pretty much everything. I even use it when making taco meat (93% lean ground turkey) to saute some onions first. Knowing WHEN to add the oil to the pan is critical. After enough decades cooking, you just know.

these healthy oils ARE expensive.
but i use one of these things. it sprays on a very thin layer of oil onto the pan, and it seems to go for months without needing to be refilled. def saves on the amount of oil i have to buy.

Amazon.com

i just keep it filled with the avacado oil, which has a high smoke point

 

[Golddiggie]

@Spanz yeah, the good oils ain't cheap. Especially when you go through it like I do. The spray can I get for grilling is just oil without any propellants added, which is good. I don't get the version made for grilling due to what's added.

I have a couple of those Misto items from years ago. They're not the best when it comes right down to it. Don't use enough sprayed oil to get something else at this time.

Not a fan of avacado, so not going to get that oil.

I end up getting a 48oz bottle of EVOO about every 3-4 weeks at this point. I'd rather get it that often than have any hanging around for too long.

 

[42!]

Another possibility is seltzer water.... read ingredients carefully to make sure they don't sneak sugar in there. They have flavors but I like to avoid flavors since who knows what that stuff actually is.

Make your own. I picked up a 5lb food grade bottle, gauges, valves, hoses, and bottle adaptor about 8 years ago for about $150, haven't refilled the bottle yet. I use filtered water and sometimes add flavor extracts, and I know exactly what's in it. You can get all the stuff from a home brewing site, but I'd get the tank locally. And don't get the plastic bottle adaptor, get the metal one. Plastic you'll end up replacing every year, metal is a one time purchase.

 

[45Badger]

I joined the club a few weeks ago.

Working on food changes now....

Welcome. I just had my 3 month check in. A1C back to normal!

Cut out most of the stuff I love (high quality cookies, donuts, pies, brownies, ice cream, bourbon). Eating a few more veggies. Moderated starches like rice/potatoes. Stay very hydrated. Working out 4-5 days per week. Lost about 12 pounds.

Challenge will be to stay on this track. There is little joy without desserts. Fresh pineapple and dates are no substitute for a good blueberry pie or my wife’s brownies and pumpkin cookies…..

 

[45Badger]

Are seed oils toxic? The answer is complicated, according to research

Robert F. Kennedy Jr., who is expected to clear the final hurdles in his confirmation as health secretary, has proclaimed that widely used cooking oils such as canola oil and soybean oil are toxic. But research shows that the health effects of seed oils are more nuanced than headlines and social...

www.pbs.org

BTW: "Canola" is a brand - the seed itself is rapeseed. It's the seed of a brassica.

It’s hard to market “rape oil”. Canola is a generic term meant to infer canadian oil. Canada produces a ton of it. Europe grows a decent amount, along with sunflower.