AAAAAHHHHHHGGGGGGG!!!! (Warning: Whining/complaining)

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Allright, I'm not one to complain alot. I'm really a pretty patient guy generally, or at least I try to be. No, I don't like to wait, but who does when there is no good reason...

Well, I've been waiting for 11wks 2 days (not that I'm counting) for my BLEEPING PERMIT TO SHOW UP!!!

So maybe you're thinking "Ok, yeah, that's on the long side, but hey you live MA". And that's what I've been telling myself... until tonight.

I just got a call from the PD saying the state police lost my fingerprints (and those of 5 others from my town) and I need to go down and get fingerprinted again so they can resubmit, and why don't I come in next week.

I responded saying I'll come down right now so you can get it out of the way. While I'm there he tells me the whole waiting game is starting OVER!!!!!

My bet is I will have had to wait a total of 16+ weeks before it comes in.

AAAAAHHHHHHGGGGGGG!!!!

Thanks for listening.

Matt
 
"I just got a call from the PD saying the state police lost my fingerprints (and those of 5 others from my town) and I need to go down and get fingerprinted again so they can resubmit, and why don't I come in next week."

The STATE POLICE lost your fingerprints?

I doubt it. I VERY much doubt it. [roll]
 
Not just for Matt, but for everyone relating such wonderfully "amusing" tales of arrogance, abuse and/or total incompetence such as this, would you please identify the PDs involved so that the rest of us can avoid ever accidentally relocating to the city/town in question. Changing or omitting the names to protect the innocent is one thing, but why shouldn't the guilty be identified for all the world to see?

I'm with Keith on this one; I haven't heard this bad an example of "the dog ate my homework" since I last taught a freshman economics course.

Ken
 
Matt, this is something that GOAL would like to hear about. Would you give the staff at the GOAL office a call and fill them in on all the particulars?

The GOAL office phone number, in case you don't already have it handy, is (508) 393-5333. Select extension 201 or 203, and share your tale of woe with the staff.

Darius
 
so? My mother has been waiting over 110 days for her permit! Yet the legal waiting limit is 90 days! I sent a letter to Caroline Sawyer (director of firearms services in MA) and she told me to go inquire down at my local PD! Even though I told her I already did before I sent the letter!
 
Whoops! Over 120 days... or has it been 4 F*cking months yet? Man I cant wait to get out of this godamn state (not for a few more years though).
 
I think maybe you shouldn't have chosen to use this picture on your application!

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" I sent a letter to Caroline Sawyer (director of firearms services in MA) and she told me to go inquire down at my local PD!"

All Director Sawyer could tell you is whether CHSB received the app and, if so, its status. She has no authority over a chief delaying apps.

People who wait 4 months after the 40-day processing period are squandering their time AND their appeal rights.
 
It took Barnstable (Hyannis) near 5 months to renew my LTC.
After the 90 day grace period ended I called them up and asked what measures they had in place in the event that processing took longer than they anticipated and had not yet been returned after the 90 days ended.

After a moment of silence from the clerk she says "well just don't get arrested".

[roll]

Hey whatever, I finally got it, it's good for 6 years and my ass will be long gone before it's time for the next renewal fiasco. Mass is gonna be in rear view ASAP. [wink] Gone like yesterday [arrow]

C-
 
terrapin88 said:
It took Barnstable (Hyannis) near 5 months to renew my LTC.
After the 90 day grace period ended I called them up and asked what measures they had in place in the event that processing took longer than they anticipated and had not yet been returned after the 90 days ended.

C-
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Same here. I called frequently and harrassed them (in a good way). took 100 days
 
Were going to the police station tomorrow to settle this. There is a new chief (started working but a few days ago). Mabye he wont be an ass and will be really nice and help us (unlikely).
 
Scrivner,

With regard to the State Police losing firearms applicant fingerprints, having been one of the persons who processed them for five years, I can say that it does happen. Usually it is when the prints are mailed, sometimes the person opening the mail will leave one stuck in an envelope. Having said that, it has only happened very rarely.

Now what happens if it does ? Well the PD simply has to call Dan Hankard at the Identification Section and inquire and if the Identification Section has no record of receiving the prints, the State Police will expedite processing, meaning that they (sic) have in the past provided a 24 hour turnaround if requested on receipt of the reprints. This may have changed a little because now the prints have to go to the FIB IAFIS for a check too, but in any event, if the prints become lost while in State Police custody, the State Police will bend over backwards to make it right. Been there, done that. (sorry not a complete sentence)

What usually happens is that the local PD will lose them and blame the State Police. Sometimes we used to get fingerprint cards submitted to us that we three or four months old when we received them. They languished in someone's desk drawer or some departments have been known to accumulate them and send in a whole bunch at a time.

In any event, sending the State Police fingerprints has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH THE REST OF THE LICENSURE PROCESS and to say that someone has to start all over again is a cop-out by the cops. BTW the MSP Identification Section usually has a 14 day turnaround back to the local PD. This is about half the time required by law. Dan Hankard is very concientous and will go to great lengths to help the Police Departments in the Commonwealth.

Mark
 
I'm with Mark on this one!

MANY local PDs put NO PRIORITY on processing the paperwork for LTC/FIDs. They bury the applications for weeks/months and blame it on the state. The mere citizen buys it because they have no way to prove who is right and who is wrong. Remember there is NO PENALTY for the PD who sits on your application for 100 days!

This is why they tend to be more "responsive" to attorneys, but feed nothing but BS to their "subjects"!
 
Hi all,

Hope to see some of you today at the Marlboro show.

Question:

I recently went through the renewal process in my town on December 27th, 2005. They use the new system. The chief was very pleasant, I didn't need an appointment and just went in and sat down with him.

On his computer, he even pulled up the form I sent him when I moved to the town three years earlier which I know is required.

The only thing I found odd was he did not request another set of my fingerprints. He said they are already on file and it is not needed. IS this normal? Have others heard this before for renewal?

As my LTC class A ALP expires next week on the 31st I'm now stuck in the 90 day grace period but want to make sure an error may not have been made.

What do you all think?
 
LenS said:
I'm with Mark on this one!

MANY local PDs put NO PRIORITY on processing the paperwork for LTC/FIDs. They bury the applications for weeks/months and blame it on the state. The mere citizen buys it because they have no way to prove who is right and who is wrong. Remember there is NO PENALTY for the PD who sits on your application for 100 days!

This is why they tend to be more "responsive" to attorneys, but feed nothing but BS to their "subjects"!
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This exemplifies my local PD. Everytime I've talked with the guy he went on at length saying "you know, this isn't my job, I volunteered for this years ago and have been stuck with it since. I don't have to do this." and variants on this theme the whole time. LOTS of attitude, just not good attitude.

Matt
 
Weerwolv,

Once your intitial fingerprint cards are sent to the MSP they remain on file and your are assigned a tracking number which is the same as your license number but with the letter F and the town code before the numbers. When your renewal information comes in on a Form B (a form used by the Ident Section) it has your name, DOB and tracking number. We then run your prints, which are electronically stored in a special place in the AFIS computer. All the technician needs to do is enter the tracking number and the results of the search will be posted. If it is negative, then a letter goes to the department stating that. If it is positive (meaning that we have a "hit") the technician then goes into the AFIS computer and manually, visually checks your prints against those that the AFIS computer thinks that it has matched. Once it has been determined that the fingerprints match, the criminal card or cards is/are pulled and copies with a letter is sent back to the PD. Now since the IAFIS computer run by the FBI now looks at the prints, I am not sure what added wrinkle in the process now takes place, but it should not significantly impede your processing.

For those of you concerned about your Civil Rights (as we all should be) your Firearms Applicant fingerprints are NOT used when running either latent prints or criminal ten print cards through the computer, like I stated earlier, the Applicant prints are in a seperate place and are only searched against the criminal data base on command. This apparently is not true for all states, however, that use this system.

Mark

Mark
 
Ericman said:
Were going to the police station tomorrow to settle this. There is a new chief (started working but a few days ago). Mabye he wont be an ass and will be really nice and help us (unlikely).
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Ericman - so how was the new Chief??????? (inquiring minds, ya know?)
 

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