A Word on The NRA

Go educate the over 20K that showed up in Virginia, most of them armed, to protest and didnt shoot anyone.

Go educate every Sheriff that said f*ck you to the State.

There is plenty of unity. There certainly is more unity than on the Liberal side.

Liberals have the backing of several billionaires, they bus trouble makers and welfare queens to their parades, which is why there are always fights and trouble. Without them busing people, they would get 100 people with luck.

Liberals might seem united, but they are far from it.

This is a forum and people disagree all the time. It is what it is. But dont assume that there isn't unity.

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When Monadnock needed money to fight the town, people here donated.

When Granby needed money to fight the town, people here donated.

When GOAL or Comm2A need money, people here donate.

When a fund was set up to protect gun stores, people here donated.

There are way too many examples for me to list them all, those are just a few. So, dont come here and talk about unity.
Yes!
Lord love an optimist! I'm going to give to EVERYBODY including GOA, GOAL, etc. Seriously is JFPOF still around?

BTW.........Why haven't some of you gone to CMP and bought am M1 Garand yet to help fund and organize youth shooting sports?
 
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Go educate the over 20K that showed up in Virginia, most of them armed, to protest and didnt shoot anyone.

Go educate every Sheriff that said f*ck you to the State.

There is plenty of unity. There certainly is more unity than on the Liberal side.

Liberals have the backing of several billionaires, they bus trouble makers and welfare queens to their parades, which is why there are always fights and trouble. Without them busing people, they would get 100 people with luck.

Liberals might seem united, but they are far from it.

This is a forum and people disagree all the time. It is what it is. But dont assume that there isn't unity.

Edit:

When Monadnock needed money to fight the town, people here donated.

When Granby needed money to fight the town, people here donated.

When GOAL or Comm2A need money, people here donate.

When a fund was set up to protect gun stores, people here donated.

There are way too many examples for me to list them all, those are just a few. So, dont come here and talk about unity.

Great we can agree to disagree.
Virginia went well- have we won in Virginia? Does it look like we will?
How about the many states that have introduced red flag bills since Jan 20?
We have no power hungry billionaires on our side-the best we have is Trump - wishy washy on the 2nd at best.
Liberals have the colleges and the schools, they have taught the younger generations that Socialism is better than Capitalism, and our young people believe it. We pay them to teach our children.
They have the main stream media, they have Hollywood.
They have the new technology platforms like Google, Face Book and YouTube that will censor us but not themselves.
They have the FBI and the other alphabet agencies.
We have a 2 tier justice system, we know our side will go to jail, but democrats are not even charged.
They have more than half of the House of Representatives that just tried a coup attempt to remove the President.
Look what they did to Brett Kavanaugh.
They have Massachusetts, Conn, California, New York and others. We worry about not breaking their unconstitutional laws.

There are many more examples.

I think they demonstrate unity pretty well. But I guess I shouldn't say that here.
 
Great we can agree to disagree.
Virginia went well- have we won in Virginia? Does it look like we will?
How about the many states that have introduced red flag bills since Jan 20?
We have no power hungry billionaires on our side-the best we have is Trump - wishy washy on the 2nd at best.
Liberals have the colleges and the schools, they have taught the younger generations that Socialism is better than Capitalism, and our young people believe it. We pay them to teach our children.
They have the main stream media, they have Hollywood.
They have the new technology platforms like Google, Face Book and YouTube that will censor us but not themselves.
They have the FBI and the other alphabet agencies.
We have a 2 tier justice system, we know our side will go to jail, but democrats are not even charged.
They have more than half of the House of Representatives that just tried a coup attempt to remove the President.
Look what they did to Brett Kavanaugh.
They have Massachusetts, Conn, California, New York and others. We worry about not breaking their unconstitutional laws.

There are many more examples.

I think they demonstrate unity pretty well. But I guess I shouldn't say that here.

The NRA is still big gay.
 
We don't have the unity it will take to defeat the left.
If the 80 or so million gun owners would have unity in "shall not be infringed" we wouldn't be where we are today. Unfortunately there are those that support infringements and the NRA is an organization that has and does support infringements and by doing so they've created division among those that actually support the 2A and those that support infringements.
 
He allegedly expensed them right? Have you seen his expense reports? Doesn't really matter does it? You would rather burn down the barn than work to fix its problems.

Maybe you're jealous that you don't have a seven figure income. Maybe you hold the fallacy that their value in our fight is zero. You can think that, but get out of the way and stop working against your own people. You surely benefit from the victories they win don't you?

I hate when people skinflint 30 bucks per year and use current problems as the excuse. Those same people probably have zilch even before then.

We're on the same team!

Following your metaphor, if the NRA is the barn, then it is burning because Wayne LaPierre is the owner and he happens to be an arsonist. I'm not willing to waste any more of my money buying buckets for the bucket brigade. When new ownership takes over and begins the needed "gut" rehab, I'll be happy to contribute to the project.

For the record, I am a Life member. Every fundraising appeal I get from them is returned with the polite reply of "No more contributions from me until Wayne is replaced."
 
Great we can agree to disagree.
Virginia went well- have we won in Virginia? Does it look like we will?
How about the many states that have introduced red flag bills since Jan 20?
We have no power hungry billionaires on our side-the best we have is Trump - wishy washy on the 2nd at best.
Liberals have the colleges and the schools, they have taught the younger generations that Socialism is better than Capitalism, and our young people believe it. We pay them to teach our children.
They have the main stream media, they have Hollywood.
They have the new technology platforms like Google, Face Book and YouTube that will censor us but not themselves.
They have the FBI and the other alphabet agencies.
We have a 2 tier justice system, we know our side will go to jail, but democrats are not even charged.
They have more than half of the House of Representatives that just tried a coup attempt to remove the President.
Look what they did to Brett Kavanaugh.
They have Massachusetts, Conn, California, New York and others. We worry about not breaking their unconstitutional laws.

There are many more examples.

I think they demonstrate unity pretty well. But I guess I shouldn't say that here.

All good points and I agree regarding unity and strength of the left. Probably many on the forum would agree.

So... Regarding unity, how does trashing other 2A supporters work? Why bash those who prefer to send their cash to support leaner, more local organizations or those who prefer to donate directly to clubs / organizations under attack?

If I were to be harsh regarding the NRA, I would say that it has evolved partially into a scam for a small, elitist group of carpetbaggers to line their pockets via tapping into the fears of the change-averse and low information membership. Total lack of accountability is magnifying the increasing levels of cronyism and self-serving decision-making, while allowing those in control to crush any attempts to clean house. The NRA can claim a few legislative victories, or at least cite successful legislation in part supported by the NRA, but how much more effective could they be without the WLP, Ack Mack, and other shenanigans? Could those victories expand beyond only the most gun-friendly states in the union? Does the NRA only join fights that would be won regardless of NRA involvement?

But I'm not harsh, so I won't say that.
 
I want the NRA to survive for one simple reason: they're the big boogieman that the anti-gunners point at and scream about, while groups like SAF actually get the work done.

Yes, please let them continue being a distraction. But I won't give a cent to Wayne's Suit Fund.

@10thSFFD, your golfing and expensive cars and nice clothes metaphor would be analogous to the NRA if you were the one doing the wining and dining and enjoying the expense account after your co-workers brought in the accounts and won the battles.
 
All good points and I agree regarding unity and strength of the left. Probably many on the forum would agree.

So... Regarding unity, how does trashing other 2A supporters work? Why bash those who prefer to send their cash to support leaner, more local organizations or those who prefer to donate directly to clubs / organizations under attack?

If I were to be harsh regarding the NRA, I would say that it has evolved partially into a scam for a small, elitist group of carpetbaggers to line their pockets via tapping into the fears of the change-averse and low information membership. Total lack of accountability is magnifying the increasing levels of cronyism and self-serving decision-making, while allowing those in control to crush any attempts to clean house. The NRA can claim a few legislative victories, or at least cite successful legislation in part supported by the NRA, but how much more effective could they be without the WLP, Ack Mack, and other shenanigans? Could those victories expand beyond only the most gun-friendly states in the union? Does the NRA only join fights that would be won regardless of NRA involvement?

But I'm not harsh, so I won't say that.

The NRA is part of the "SWAMP", we obviously know that and object to our money being mishandled.
Like it or not, an organization with millions of dollars becomes corrupted, not because it is a political entity, but because people run it. The people in charge have become greedy and corrupted, just like the federal government and government at all levels.
Who do we trust? Who can we trust?
Frankly, outside of my wife and one true friend, I don't trust anyone. (but that might be harsh)
So, does my trying to convince other gun owners to support the NRA with $30 a year, mean they are being "trashed" ?.....

We are becoming the minority in this country.
Trump has taken on the swamp with some good success, but he has not, and will not be able to "drain the swamp".
If we can muster up some "unity" Trump might be president in 2020.
What happens after Trump? Will the swamp just fill up again to Obama levels?

If Virginian conservative voters were "united" things would be different in Virginia! 20% voter turnout in some areas. (but that might be harsh)

Will the extra $30 be better sent to GOA? Maybe
I would suggest $30 to the NRA and $30 to GOA and $30 to GOAL (and $30 to all the rest), would be the better bet.
Would it be better to have no NRA in the future because they spent my money on BS? ....... I argue NO! (but that might be harsh)

We are now firmly entrenched in the roaring "2020"s!
Every democrat running for president wants to take our guns and our rights.

These are serious questions:
Who is our leader? (we don't have one)
What is our plan? (we don't have one)(or it's fragmented at best)
I know $30 is not short money to everyone, but it is to me, and I would bet it is to many others on this forum, as well!

When the "dinosaur" is dead, will we be "triumphant" because we defeated Wayne LaPierre?
Or are we just helping to defeat ourselves? (but that might be harsh)
 
Train the dinosaur to defend 2A at all costs and then by all means let the dinosaur lobby. DC loves dinosaurs. But don’t let the untrained dinosaur speak for all gun owners, or gun ownership in general.
 
And for as much as some of us shit on the NRA I don’t know that anyone wants them disbanded, they just need to be modernized and reformed. Hell, I’d prop up an empty WLP suit with a scarecrow inside and trot it out for special events if it meant staying inside the left’s collective head.
 
The NRA is part of the "SWAMP", we obviously know that and object to our money being mishandled.
Like it or not, an organization with millions of dollars becomes corrupted, not because it is a political entity, but because people run it. The people in charge have become greedy and corrupted, just like the federal government and government at all levels.
Who do we trust? Who can we trust?
Frankly, outside of my wife and one true friend, I don't trust anyone. (but that might be harsh)
So, does my trying to convince other gun owners to support the NRA with $30 a year, mean they are being "trashed" ?.....

We are becoming the minority in this country.
Trump has taken on the swamp with some good success, but he has not, and will not be able to "drain the swamp".
If we can muster up some "unity" Trump might be president in 2020.
What happens after Trump? Will the swamp just fill up again to Obama levels?

If Virginian conservative voters were "united" things would be different in Virginia! 20% voter turnout in some areas. (but that might be harsh)

Will the extra $30 be better sent to GOA? Maybe
I would suggest $30 to the NRA and $30 to GOA and $30 to GOAL (and $30 to all the rest), would be the better bet.
Would it be better to have no NRA in the future because they spent my money on BS? ....... I argue NO! (but that might be harsh)

We are now firmly entrenched in the roaring "2020"s!
Every democrat running for president wants to take our guns and our rights.

These are serious questions:
Who is our leader? (we don't have one)
What is our plan? (we don't have one)(or it's fragmented at best)
I know $30 is not short money to everyone, but it is to me, and I would bet it is to many others on this forum, as well!

When the "dinosaur" is dead, will we be "triumphant" because we defeated Wayne LaPierre?
Or are we just helping to defeat ourselves? (but that might be harsh)

NRA, ALL THE GAY!
 
I’m an NRA Benefactor member and at one time Golden Eagle but not an NRA koolaid drinker and haven’t sent money for a long time. I’m tired of the continuous sky is falling letters from them just to get money that goes where? I do like their training and education side.

Right now I see their main purposes as taking body blows from the anti gun crowd that just has eyes for the NRA.
 
The NRA is part of the "SWAMP", we obviously know that and object to our money being mishandled.
Like it or not, an organization with millions of dollars becomes corrupted, not because it is a political entity, but because people run it. The people in charge have become greedy and corrupted, just like the federal government and government at all levels.
Who do we trust? Who can we trust?
Frankly, outside of my wife and one true friend, I don't trust anyone. (but that might be harsh)
So, does my trying to convince other gun owners to support the NRA with $30 a year, mean they are being "trashed" ?.....

We are becoming the minority in this country.
Trump has taken on the swamp with some good success, but he has not, and will not be able to "drain the swamp".
If we can muster up some "unity" Trump might be president in 2020.
What happens after Trump? Will the swamp just fill up again to Obama levels?

If Virginian conservative voters were "united" things would be different in Virginia! 20% voter turnout in some areas. (but that might be harsh)

Will the extra $30 be better sent to GOA? Maybe
I would suggest $30 to the NRA and $30 to GOA and $30 to GOAL (and $30 to all the rest), would be the better bet.
Would it be better to have no NRA in the future because they spent my money on BS? ....... I argue NO! (but that might be harsh)

We are now firmly entrenched in the roaring "2020"s!
Every democrat running for president wants to take our guns and our rights.

These are serious questions:
Who is our leader? (we don't have one)
What is our plan? (we don't have one)(or it's fragmented at best)
I know $30 is not short money to everyone, but it is to me, and I would bet it is to many others on this forum, as well!

When the "dinosaur" is dead, will we be "triumphant" because we defeated Wayne LaPierre?
Or are we just helping to defeat ourselves? (but that might be harsh)


OK, good reply. I'll admit that we are better off with the NRA than without it. I certainly hope the NRA finally wakes up and cleans house. Even if the new leadership is not ideal, I'm back 'in' as soon as WLP is gone. Keep in mind I have had a problem with his 'leadership' from day one, so the latest expenses shenanigans are only a small part of why I have a problem with the guy.

Assuming facts correct, 20% voter turnout in some VA districts is shameful. Doesn't take too many dead people to throw the vote under such circumstances.
 
I can understand the dissatisfaction with the NRA, but the power of their lobby is not to be underestimated. We cannot afford to lose the NRA, and we need to rebuild the NRA management . I don't have a clue how to do that. United we stand divide we fall.
 
Great we can agree to disagree.
Virginia went well- have we won in Virginia? Does it look like we will?
How about the many states that have introduced red flag bills since Jan 20?
We have no power hungry billionaires on our side-the best we have is Trump - wishy washy on the 2nd at best.
Liberals have the colleges and the schools, they have taught the younger generations that Socialism is better than Capitalism, and our young people believe it. We pay them to teach our children.
They have the main stream media, they have Hollywood.
They have the new technology platforms like Google, Face Book and YouTube that will censor us but not themselves.
They have the FBI and the other alphabet agencies.
We have a 2 tier justice system, we know our side will go to jail, but democrats are not even charged.
They have more than half of the House of Representatives that just tried a coup attempt to remove the President.
Look what they did to Brett Kavanaugh.
They have Massachusetts, Conn, California, New York and others. We worry about not breaking their unconstitutional laws.

There are many more examples.

I think they demonstrate unity pretty well. But I guess I shouldn't say that here.

None of this matters until the "conservative" SCOTUS agrees to hear the cases and stop dodging them.

But these piece of shit won't hear the cases, and when they do they write the ruling like it's a mystery novel written by the Riddler.

I can understand the dissatisfaction with the NRA, but the power of their lobby is not to be underestimated. We cannot afford to lose the NRA, and we need to rebuild the NRA management . I don't have a clue how to do that. United we stand divide we fall.

What have they done recently that is actually meaningful?
 
None of this matters until the "conservative" SCOTUS agrees to hear the cases and stop dodging them.

But these piece of shit won't hear the cases, and when they do they write the ruling like it's a mystery novel written by the Riddler.


Agreed - We will see if they are "conservative" - If not we are screwed.
Unfortunately ----- I think SCOTUS is part of the swamp.
Maybe RBG will help us out and have finally take the gas pipe.
 

maybe maybe maybe. Road to hell. Meanwhile they keep passing police state bullshit rulings while we all sit here with our fingers crossed that if they get more power we might get a 2A win.

Not a path I am comfortable with. Because I know they will keep ramming bullshit draconian rulings up my ass and I doubt they will ever come out with a ruling on 2A that I'd be happy with.
 
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