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A Novel Gun Control Strategy: Pressure Banks and Retailers

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  1. Yosemite Sam

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    A Novel Gun Control Strategy: Pressure Banks and Retailers. Article dated 9/10/19

    MORRISTOWN, N.J. — New Jersey intends to stop doing business with gun manufacturers and retailers that fail to adopt policies, like conducting background checks, to stop guns from falling into the wrong hands, becoming the first state to take such stringent action against the firearms industry.

    The state will also apply pressure on major financial institutions, seeking information from banks that do business with New Jersey about their relationships and policies involving gun makers and sellers.

    The state, which says it pays more than $1 billion in bank fees every year, could use the disclosure requirements to decide whether to continue doing business with financial firms.

    New Jersey estimates that it spends more than $70 million per year on firearms, supplies and ammunition for the State Police and other law enforcement agencies.

    taken matters into their own hands, cutting off banking and credit card services to gun retailers and stopping the lending of money to manufacturers who do not abide by age limits and background checks.


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    Now New Jersey has essentially decided to make its own rules to restrict the flow of guns, and officials said they hoped it would encourage other liberal states to follow their lead.

    Beside background checks, the state will also not do business with retailers who do not have policies prohibiting firearm sales to people with a history of mental illness or convictions involving domestic abuse, among other red flags.

    Though New Jersey already has strict rules around background checks and people who are forbidden from buying guns in the state, Mr. Murphy is seeking to expand those rules nationwide.

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    Gun makers and retailers seeking to sell to the state’s law enforcement agencies would have to abide by New Jersey’s policies even if they operate in states with less stringent gun laws.

    “Taxpayers are the top purchasers of firearms,” according to an executive order that Mr. Murphy is expected to sign. “The State should not be purchasing firearms, ammunition or equipment from vendors that place civilians and law enforcement in harm’s way by virtue of not adopting responsible practices related to firearms.”

    Mr. Murphy’s order applies to state troopers, prosecutor offices and local law enforcement agencies that make purchases through the state. It would not include other municipal police forces that buy firearms directly from manufacturers or retailers.

    New Jersey buys firearms, ammunition and related products from retailers and manufacturers based in the state and elsewhere around the country. The executive order would cover future contracts and does not need legislative approval.

    New Jersey’s action is likely to draw strong pushback from the gun industry and its allies, who have been swift to promise bans and boycotts of companies that have instituted policies aimed at the gun industry.

    “That’s something that the governor’s office has to consider,” said Alex Roubian, the president of the New Jersey Second Amendment Society, referring to the possibility of a boycott of New Jersey by firearms manufacturers. “Because if they’re going to put police officers’ lives in danger because of politics, that’s on the governor, not on the gun industry.”

    New Jersey’s action came on the same day that Congress was expected to debate various gun control measures, including restricting high-capacity magazines, though it was unclear whether the Trump administration would lend its support.

    strictest gun control laws, Mr. Murphy’s executive order seeks to take on an issue that the state, like other states with similar laws, struggles with — stemming the flow of illegal guns into New Jersey.

    Citing a study by the Brady Campaign, a gun-control organization, the governor’s office said that about five percent of dealers across the country were responsible for providing 90 percent of the guns used in crimes.

    New Jersey’s plan requires that retailers, among other steps, implement policies to “prevent, detect and screen for the transfer of firearms to straw purchasers or firearm traffickers.”

    Though the executive order does not provide details, the governor’s office said sellers could make sure that the name on the method of payment matches the name of a buyer or could limit the purchases of firearms to one per 30 days.

    Mr. Murphy’s plan would also seek to prevent the sale of firearms to “prohibited individuals,” which as defined by New Jersey is a broad list.

    many of the other big firms did not follow suit, in part, out of fear of a backlash from Trump administration regulators and conservative states.

    New Jersey’s requirement that financial firms disclose their ties to gun makers could provide the public with new and specific details that some firms have been reluctant to divulge.

    Mr. Murphy is hoping that other states, particularly those with large law enforcement budgets like New York, will join his effort. Last year, Mr. Murphy and Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo of New York formed a States for Gun Safety coalition that now counts eight states and Puerto Rico as members.

    Mr. Murphy, who has made gun control one of the core issues of his tenure, drew praise from national gun control advocacy groups for his initiative.

    “With this executive order Governor Murphy is blazing a new path for states that want gun manufacturers, retailers and financial institutions to take action to help end gun violence,” said John Feinblatt, president of Everytown for Gun Safety. “And we hope to see other governors quickly follow suit.”

    Andrew Ross Sorkin contributed reporting.

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  2. smokey-seven

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    Manufactures of ammo, parts and weaponry should just stop doing business with NJ. It will save the state 70 million a year.
     
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    As I recall something similar was attempted a few years ago and Barrett and other companies declared they would no longer do business with those states

    Hornady wont do business with NY State/etc anymore as a result of the recent infringments

    Barrett refuses to do business with some/parts of Kalifornia

    More in the Firearms Industry Should Follow Hornady’s New York Example

    On a personal level there are lots of companies that will allow you to pay with other means than credit cards to help better maintain privacy......banks collect an unbelievable amount of info on purchases when you use credit cards
     
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    State and local governments are one of the smallest markets for most firearms manufacturers, the government of CA and NJ could boycott all domestic makers and I doubt they'd notice:
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    Isn't that pretty much what has already happened with New York?

    Today, for our normal "Level 1" consumer transactions, banks don't get any more data from a purchase at a gun store than you'd expect -- there's the total dollar amount, date, time, card details, and which register it was rung up on. There's a merchant code, but gun stores are normally just coded as 5941 - "Sporting Goods Stores".

    With "Level 3" data, certain B2B/gov't transactions do submit line-by-line details on the purchase, but Level III isn't (yet) common on consumer purchases.
     
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    Ronnie Barrett is a southern gentleman with his own good set of values and a big pair of brass balls to back them. When my daughters grow up, I hope they marry men just like him. Hell, those kind of son-in-laws are real kinfolk. Jill and I will be Mom and Dad to them!
     
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    I see Red Lining is making a comeback. How original of the people that never liked the 14th amendment.
     
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    exactly right...
     
  9. Dennis in MA

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    I'd love for all of the majors to tell police depts to pound sand. Make em buy Hi Points or something. Or pay full-retail. "Sorry. Can't help ya broz. Maybe try some used Lorcins?"
     
  10. Pete85

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    Am I misunderstanding what NJ is saying here? They word it like it's some novel, cutting edge, genius idea, but in the end all they're saying is that they're not going to do business with retailers or manufacturers that don't obey existing laws? Just more grandstanding, making it look like they're beating down the firearms industry.
     
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    Article claims "New Jersey will stop doing business with gun manufacturers and retailers that fail to adopt policies that go beyond federal laws", specifically mentioning "buyers were limited to purchasing one firearm every 30 days" and "prevent the sale of firearms to ... buyers on a terrorist watch list kept by the FBI"

    The full text of the executive order is available at: https://nj.gov/infobank/eo/056murphy/pdf/EO-83.pdf
     
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    OMFG....when will this turd do something significant enough to get nominated for the darwin awards already
     

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