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Lol 850 for a Glock, I know people try to sell them at that price but I did not know people actually pay that lol...
I have seen them. Someone is selling a gen 5 19 and I think it was 850$, which is insane to say the least but 550 $ for a gen 2 is just as crazy lolWhen I see Glocks in the classifieds they're not usually that high unless they have a lot of extras. The premium in Mass seems more like $100, not $200+.
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Maybe it was power of suggestion that swayed his decision ?
I wonder if he's going g43 for comfort and accuracy.
FFS the G43 is no more accurate than the P365, it just isn’t. If you can’t shoot a P365 accurately that’s on you, not the gun. You can go on all you want about how much “comfort” you get out of a fraction of a difference in size of a gun but if the G43 is the only one you’re comfortable shooting (and two people at the range agreed w you) then you need to learn to shoot better. I have a personal preference for the G17 over the M&P 9 full size over the VP9 but I can shoot all three of them accurately. Don’t shit on the 365 because the 43 has become your binkie. I have had a dozen people shoot my 365 at the range, mostly strangers, not one has complained about not being able to shoot the 365 in fact it’s been roundly praised. It’s not the gun it’s the shooter. It’s not the club it’s the golfer.
Bought a 365, nice grip, great sights, but for me, accuracy needs to improve. I had my friend try it, he put 3 rds through the same hole from 7 yds. I couldn't do it.
Put 150- 180 rds through, not a hiccup, runs flawlessly. Is it a great gun? I think so.
The big advantage I see is the carry profile versus the G26. It feels much lighter and carries much smaller than the G26. I can see why so any buy it.
I still posted it for sale here.
I guess I am your polar opposite when it comes to handguns. I have tried so hard to love glocks. I just can not. I hate everything about them. Grip angle, trigger, feel in my hand.
I totally respect the platform, recognize the well deserved reputation and understand the brand loyalty. But I love Sigs. I have big hands and they just feel right to me, and I shoot them very well. I carried a 229 in 40 for a decade because the only other gun I liked was a 1911.
But I get it. Some people love Glocks. It's ok to be wrong.
The thing with the Glock vs Sig is, SIG is innovating. Glock is basing all their guns on the same blueprint, so yeah, they don't have as much bugs to fix as SIG with brand new designs. Glock's idea of innovation is to take an existing slide and to put it on a slightly modified already existing frame, and to come up with an arbitrary number for a name. Their last real innovation was the .45 GAP. That was what? 10-12 years ago? I can appreciate a company that does quite a bit of R+D. Let me know when Glock comes out with their own line of suppressors, optics, or starts making squad weapons for .mil, or anything military for that matter. They're reliable, no doubt. I own a 17 with an RMR and a 26 (which doesn't feed a single round out of a Magpul magazine, btw). But they're not the bee's knees, and they're uglier than Hillary Clinton before her make up.
No one-handed slide manipulations and it requires tools for field stripping? Is that funky uni-sight worth it? Never used one. Is it comparable to a red dot?
Your best bet may be the g43, I shoot it much better and it's closer in size to the 365 than the g26. Plus the g43 you can fully trust operationally.
I will have a G43 tomorrow
Why not the G43X?
The size of the grip. Same as a G19, so .... but we'll see
Thanks for that. I will be stopping at KTP next Thursday and I will check out the 43XI have a G19 and G43X. While the length may be the same, the G19 feels fat in my hand, while the G43X feels nearly perfect.
The longer grip is certainly harder to conceal but it's worth it for 4 more rounds and much better feel in the hand.
Why not the G43X?
I have seen them. Someone is selling a gen 5 19 and I think it was 850$, which is insane to say the least but 550 $ for a gen 2 is just as crazy lol
I know this isn't directed toward me.
Im thinking about getting the 43x frame, so i can switch back and forth depending on what im feeling that day. Just a slide swap and grab the proper loaded mags.
It's not like Glock has never had a gun returned.
The thing with the Glock vs Sig is, SIG is innovating. Glock is basing all their guns on the same blueprint, so yeah, they don't have as much bugs to fix as SIG with brand new designs. Glock's idea of innovation is to take an existing slide and to put it on a slightly modified already existing frame, and to come up with an arbitrary number for a name. Their last real innovation was the .45 GAP. That was what? 10-12 years ago?
I can appreciate a company that does quite a bit of R+D. Let me know when Glock comes out with their own line of suppressors, optics, or starts making squad weapons for .mil, or anything military for that matter.
FFS the G43 is no more accurate than the P365, it just isn’t. If you can’t shoot a P365 accurately that’s on you, not the gun. You can go on all you want about how much “comfort” you get out of a fraction of a difference in size of a gun but if the G43 is the only one you’re comfortable shooting (and two people at the range agreed w you) then you need to learn to shoot better. I have a personal preference for the G17 over the M&P 9 full size over the VP9 but I can shoot all three of them accurately. Don’t shit on the 365 because the 43 has become your binkie. I have had a dozen people shoot my 365 at the range, mostly strangers, not one has complained about not being able to shoot the 365 in fact it’s been roundly praised. It’s not the gun it’s the shooter. It’s not the club it’s the golfer.
They have a cool PCC and one pistol (the 365) that are pretty innovative. The rest of the stuff they make has plenty of
competition, and is sometimes done better by others.
Just a random observation. But the same can be done with the P365 and P365 Max or whatever its called.
I would have to disagree with this. The P210 was/is really in a class of it's own when it was introduced. The 220 was a huge improvement in the semi auto market and was a drop dead reliable, serious side arm that was really a game changer for people that didn't trust semi's and clung to revolvers because of their dependability. The same is true of the 225/228/226.
There rifles have long been recognized as some of the best in the world, and the introduction of a line of airsoft products that offer the same nomenclature and trigger pulls etc of their center fire products, for training, is brilliant.
Sig does farm out some of the optics, but suppressors they make themselves and were recently given a contract for military use. And we all know they are now making their own line of ammo.
There is no one in the industry that offers such a wide variety of products. When you actually see a current list of all they offer it is pretty impressive, and most of them are of above average quality. Past and present, 550- 556-716-516-MCX -MPX and on and on. P series pistols, 1911's, full size to ultra compact handguns, ammo, optics, supressors etc. And lets not forget training, education and research.
Like I said, the folks at Sig are not sitting still. There are some great gun makers out there. CZ, Glock, H&K, S&W, but I think Sig leads the pack. Is every product tops in it's class? No. But they are usually contenders.
There are a few decent 9mm subcompact/ micro pistols XDS, G43, PPS, 938, PM9, LC9 etc. There is only one that is 10+1
SIG Sauer - Wikipedia.
Product list at bottom.
Not in Mass unfortunately. The XL frame only works with 12 round mags.
And while the P365 has extended mags that are equivalent to a G43X (longer grip) those are also 12 round only. You can buy 3rd party mag extensions but they get mixed reviews.
I would have to disagree with this. The P210 was/is really in a class of it's own when it was introduced. The 220 was a huge improvement in the semi auto market and was a drop dead reliable, serious side arm that was really a game changer for people that didn't trust semi's and clung to revolvers because of their dependability. The same is true of the 225/228/226.
Perhaps I worded my post wrongly- when I meant innovative- I meant now. Glock isn't very innovative, either, by making guns they should have made 10 years ago. Sig isn't doing anything earth shattering, though, outside of stuff like the P365 or the MPx. The stuff they did 30 years ago, great, fine, that was then. Sig has some standout products but nothing earth shattering, and their lack of QC is kind of disturbing, although it HAS gotten better in the past decade, but still can be somewhat lacking. It's not the same company in that regard as it was back in the day. Even in the early 2000s you could buy a Sig and getting a f***ed up gun was an anomaly, and over time it has become less so. And before that, even standard P series pistols were considered on par with companies like HK, etc... but I don't think they're playing in that wheelhouse anymore. They've schloqued out in a lot of ways, much like Krapber, Smith, and likely some others.
I'll probably buy more Sig products, maybe even a 365 eventually. But most of their stuff I just kinda shake my head at and go "meh, whatever". I do like the fact that they actually had the balls to start making ammo, and depending on where you find it, it can be at a reasonable price. Their 10mm practice ammo is actually loaded much hotter than most, too, which is a pleasant surprise.
ETA: I am kinda pissed though that when I bought my Legion the "Cigar Ashtray" option disappeared from the legion club site, though.... I think Canndo managed to snag one of those, though.... it was nice, made out of a chunk of aluminum or something. I wanted to be able to say I had a $1200 ashtray.
-Mike