This man has a rare commodity, COMMON FRIGGING SENSE!
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I hope the Maine Legislature feels the same way!
Check out the guy's e-mail address. He's most definitely a shooter, and likes Romanian AK type rifles. Can't say I blame him for it (liking them), or writing the letter, either.
But of course Mass is going to blame other states, the strict gun laws aren't working, so the guns have to be coming in from elsewhere, right? I mean, you know, if your chosen solution fails, it must be something else, since the solution just couldn't be wrong, right? [roll]
The only thing that surprises me to this day is WHY do so many gun owners choose to live in a Socialist State, when they are free to move.
But of course Mass is going to blame other states, the strict gun laws aren't working, so the guns have to be coming in from elsewhere, right? I mean, you know, if your chosen solution fails, it must be something else, since the solution just couldn't be wrong, right? [roll]
The only thing that surprises me to this day is WHY do so many gun owners choose to live in a Socialist State, when they are free to move.
There's more to life than guns ![[wink]](/xen/styles/default/xenforo/smilies.vb/002.gif "Wink [wink]")
and the ties we have are hard to break. I can only hope and pray that Kerry/Kennedy get their asses whooped and the Mass House and Senate get cleaned out the next time around.
Maybe, just maybe enough pissed off people will make their voices heard for a change.
and the ties we have are hard to break. I can only hope and pray that Kerry/Kennedy get their asses whooped and the Mass House and Senate get cleaned out the next time around.Maybe, just maybe enough pissed off people will make their voices heard for a change.
As far as the freedom to move out of this state, the thing is $$$. You need to have some before you can move. I am free to move to any state I want to, the problem is the means to be able to support myself during and after the move.
I have 'voted with my feet' a number of times for differing reasons. But I agree with Skald. With family, work, school and community ties to consider, it isn't always do-able right now.
Got stuck in Utah for 4-1/2 years once... Whmmm. Why does that last line remind me of the old indian sage in "Cowboy Blue"? Anyway, Utah was a GREAT gun state, but it had other difficulties.
Got stuck in Utah for 4-1/2 years once... Whmmm. Why does that last line remind me of the old indian sage in "Cowboy Blue"? Anyway, Utah was a GREAT gun state, but it had other difficulties.
There are other factors involved than just guns. I actually like Massachusetts specifically and New England in general. First, I like the people of this region very much and I find the generalization that New Englanders are somehow cold to be more myth than anything else. There is a certain tolerance for thoughts and ideas derived at independently. The cultural and educational opportunities are unsurpassed, not to mention health care.
Now I have lived all over the United States and in states where gun ownership was much easier and an integral part of the culture. There are other things you have to put up with, though. More gun freedom does not equate to more social freedom especially when there are a lot of folks who seem to want to make their own religious views the law of the state. I saw this in Arizona and Georgia. Massachusetts quit being a theocracy centuries ago. I would have to say, too, that until quite recently (the GCA of 1998) the gun laws in Mass, while strict, were not impossible. I'd also point out that we have had nothing but Republican governors in this state since the late 80's. The lesson here is don't be fooled that all Republicans favor gun owners.
Also too, I think if you were to look at the demographics of places like Cambridge, Newton and Brookline, you would see that some of the most virulent anti-gun people are not from here but moved here from someplace else.
Mark
Now I have lived all over the United States and in states where gun ownership was much easier and an integral part of the culture. There are other things you have to put up with, though. More gun freedom does not equate to more social freedom especially when there are a lot of folks who seem to want to make their own religious views the law of the state. I saw this in Arizona and Georgia. Massachusetts quit being a theocracy centuries ago. I would have to say, too, that until quite recently (the GCA of 1998) the gun laws in Mass, while strict, were not impossible. I'd also point out that we have had nothing but Republican governors in this state since the late 80's. The lesson here is don't be fooled that all Republicans favor gun owners.
Also too, I think if you were to look at the demographics of places like Cambridge, Newton and Brookline, you would see that some of the most virulent anti-gun people are not from here but moved here from someplace else.
Mark
There are other factors involved than just guns. I actually like Massachusetts specifically and New England in general. First, I like the people of this region very much and I find the generalization that New Englanders are somehow cold to be more myth than anything else. There is a certain tolerance for thoughts and ideas derived at independently. The cultural and educational opportunities are unsurpassed, not to mention health care.
Now I have lived all over the United States and in states where gun ownership was much easier and an integral part of the culture. There are other things you have to put up with, though. More gun freedom does not equate to more social freedom especially when there are a lot of folks who seem to want to make their own religious views the law of the state. I saw this in Arizona and Georgia. Massachusetts quit being a theocracy centuries ago. I would have to say, too, that until quite recently (the GCA of 1998) the gun laws in Mass, while strict, were not impossible. I'd also point out that we have had nothing but Republican governors in this state since the late 80's. The lesson here is don't be fooled that all Republicans favor gun owners.
Also too, I think if you were to look at the demographics of places like Cambridge, Newton and Brookline, you would see that some of the most virulent anti-gun people are not from here but moved here from someplace else.
Mark
Now I have lived all over the United States and in states where gun ownership was much easier and an integral part of the culture. There are other things you have to put up with, though. More gun freedom does not equate to more social freedom especially when there are a lot of folks who seem to want to make their own religious views the law of the state. I saw this in Arizona and Georgia. Massachusetts quit being a theocracy centuries ago. I would have to say, too, that until quite recently (the GCA of 1998) the gun laws in Mass, while strict, were not impossible. I'd also point out that we have had nothing but Republican governors in this state since the late 80's. The lesson here is don't be fooled that all Republicans favor gun owners.
Also too, I think if you were to look at the demographics of places like Cambridge, Newton and Brookline, you would see that some of the most virulent anti-gun people are not from here but moved here from someplace else.
Mark
Agree, this is where my job is. And I've seen other people that have left to go work in another state, and they are coming back because it's not as easy to find a good job anymore.
This is also where my wife's family. And where I can bring up my kids with the greatest amount of family in one location.
Anywhere else that I would move, even if it was where my family is located, there aren't as many as there are here. Mostly because my family is now spread out all over the south...no real concentration.
And, I have established friends here...people that I can count on if need be. I move somewhere new and I start all over again. Not fun with two small kids. I was raised this way and I don't want to do it to them.
Even if my Mom gives me hard time because my kid is developing a "Yankee" accent. [shock]
Hell, not to mention that I wouldn't be able to hang out with all of you guys and gals...
And, Mass has some of the best Gun Clubs that I've seen around the States that I've lived.
This is also where my wife's family. And where I can bring up my kids with the greatest amount of family in one location.
Anywhere else that I would move, even if it was where my family is located, there aren't as many as there are here. Mostly because my family is now spread out all over the south...no real concentration.
And, I have established friends here...people that I can count on if need be. I move somewhere new and I start all over again. Not fun with two small kids. I was raised this way and I don't want to do it to them.
Even if my Mom gives me hard time because my kid is developing a "Yankee" accent. [shock]
Hell, not to mention that I wouldn't be able to hang out with all of you guys and gals...
And, Mass has some of the best Gun Clubs that I've seen around the States that I've lived.
Agree, this is where my job is. And I've seen other people that have left to go work in another state, and they are coming back because it's not as easy to find a good job anymore.
This is also where my wife's family. And where I can bring up my kids with the greatest amount of family in one location.
Anywhere else that I would move, even if it was where my family is located, there aren't as many as there are here. Mostly because my family is now spread out all over the south...no real concentration.
And, I have established friends here...people that I can count on if need be. I move somewhere new and I start all over again. Not fun with two small kids. I was raised this way and I don't want to do it to them.
Even if my Mom gives me hard time because my kid is developing a "Yankee" accent. [shock]
Hell, not to mention that I wouldn't be able to hang out with all of you guys and gals...
And, Mass has some of the best Gun Clubs that I've seen around the States that I've lived.
This is also where my wife's family. And where I can bring up my kids with the greatest amount of family in one location.
Anywhere else that I would move, even if it was where my family is located, there aren't as many as there are here. Mostly because my family is now spread out all over the south...no real concentration.
And, I have established friends here...people that I can count on if need be. I move somewhere new and I start all over again. Not fun with two small kids. I was raised this way and I don't want to do it to them.
Even if my Mom gives me hard time because my kid is developing a "Yankee" accent. [shock]
Hell, not to mention that I wouldn't be able to hang out with all of you guys and gals...
And, Mass has some of the best Gun Clubs that I've seen around the States that I've lived.
Agree, this is where my job is. And I've seen other people that have left to go work in another state, and they are coming back because it's not as easy to find a good job anymore.
This is also where my wife's family. And where I can bring up my kids with the greatest amount of family in one location.
Anywhere else that I would move, even if it was where my family is located, there aren't as many as there are here. Mostly because my family is now spread out all over the south...no real concentration.
And, I have established friends here...people that I can count on if need be. I move somewhere new and I start all over again. Not fun with two small kids. I was raised this way and I don't want to do it to them.
Even if my Mom gives me hard time because my kid is developing a "Yankee" accent. [shock]
Hell, not to mention that I wouldn't be able to hang out with all of you guys and gals...
And, Mass has some of the best Gun Clubs that I've seen around the States that I've lived.
This is also where my wife's family. And where I can bring up my kids with the greatest amount of family in one location.
Anywhere else that I would move, even if it was where my family is located, there aren't as many as there are here. Mostly because my family is now spread out all over the south...no real concentration.
And, I have established friends here...people that I can count on if need be. I move somewhere new and I start all over again. Not fun with two small kids. I was raised this way and I don't want to do it to them.
Even if my Mom gives me hard time because my kid is developing a "Yankee" accent. [shock]
Hell, not to mention that I wouldn't be able to hang out with all of you guys and gals...
And, Mass has some of the best Gun Clubs that I've seen around the States that I've lived.
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Theocracy
Until the early 80's, it was a crime in Massachusetts to open most stores on the sabbath of the de-facto state recognized religion. Even today, there are special regulations regarding premium pay on the state-accepted sabbath, and a supermarket was recently shut down for opening on Christmas, a nominally religious holiday.
Persons with religions that observe a sabbath on a day other than the de-facto state recognized religion, or athiests who would prefer to take a day of rest on a day other than Sunday, are not given equal treatment by the state and are told their business will recognize the state sabbath.
Although it's impossible for a normal citizen to get a "blue light permit" for their vehicle, the previous prelate of Catholic church (Bernard Law) was afforded this courtesy due to his religious rank.
There are still theocratic elements remaining.mark056 said:
Until the early 80's, it was a crime in Massachusetts to open most stores on the sabbath of the de-facto state recognized religion. Even today, there are special regulations regarding premium pay on the state-accepted sabbath, and a supermarket was recently shut down for opening on Christmas, a nominally religious holiday.
Persons with religions that observe a sabbath on a day other than the de-facto state recognized religion, or athiests who would prefer to take a day of rest on a day other than Sunday, are not given equal treatment by the state and are told their business will recognize the state sabbath.
Although it's impossible for a normal citizen to get a "blue light permit" for their vehicle, the previous prelate of Catholic church (Bernard Law) was afforded this courtesy due to his religious rank.
Rob Boudrie
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Until the early 80's, it was a crime in Massachusetts to open most stores on the sabbath of the de-facto state recognized religion. Even today, there are special regulations regarding premium pay on the state-accepted sabbath, and a supermarket was recently shut down for opening on Christmas, a nominally religious holiday.
Persons with religions that observe a sabbath on a day other than the de-facto state recognized religion, or athiests who would prefer to take a day of rest on a day other than Sunday, are not given equal treatment by the state and are told their business will recognize the state sabbath.
Although it's impossible for a normal citizen to get a "blue light permit" for their vehicle, the previous prelate of Catholic church (Bernard Law) was afforded this courtesy due to his religious rank.
There are still theocratic elements remaining.mark056 said:
Until the early 80's, it was a crime in Massachusetts to open most stores on the sabbath of the de-facto state recognized religion. Even today, there are special regulations regarding premium pay on the state-accepted sabbath, and a supermarket was recently shut down for opening on Christmas, a nominally religious holiday.
Persons with religions that observe a sabbath on a day other than the de-facto state recognized religion, or athiests who would prefer to take a day of rest on a day other than Sunday, are not given equal treatment by the state and are told their business will recognize the state sabbath.
Although it's impossible for a normal citizen to get a "blue light permit" for their vehicle, the previous prelate of Catholic church (Bernard Law) was afforded this courtesy due to his religious rank.
Rob Boudrie
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Until the early 80's, it was a crime in Massachusetts to open most stores on the sabbath of the de-facto state recognized religion. Even today, there are special regulations regarding premium pay on the state-accepted sabbath, and a supermarket was recently shut down for opening on Christmas, a nominally religious holiday.
Persons with religions that observe a sabbath on a day other than the de-facto state recognized religion, or athiests who would prefer to take a day of rest on a day other than Sunday, are not given equal treatment by the state and are told their business will recognize the state sabbath.
Although it's impossible for a normal citizen to get a "blue light permit" for their vehicle, the previous prelate of Catholic church (Bernard Law) was afforded this courtesy due to his religious rank.
There are still theocratic elements remaining.mark056 said:
Until the early 80's, it was a crime in Massachusetts to open most stores on the sabbath of the de-facto state recognized religion. Even today, there are special regulations regarding premium pay on the state-accepted sabbath, and a supermarket was recently shut down for opening on Christmas, a nominally religious holiday.
Persons with religions that observe a sabbath on a day other than the de-facto state recognized religion, or athiests who would prefer to take a day of rest on a day other than Sunday, are not given equal treatment by the state and are told their business will recognize the state sabbath.
Although it's impossible for a normal citizen to get a "blue light permit" for their vehicle, the previous prelate of Catholic church (Bernard Law) was afforded this courtesy due to his religious rank.
mark056 said:
And folks, Mass isn't the only state that way. NY's George Pataki is just as bad as Mass's Governor, if not WORSE.
Actually, reviewing some of Mass's laws, things may not be handgun-friendly there, but there are several states that are worse on semi-auto rifles. CT, NJ and the PRK come to mind for a start.
mark056 said:
And folks, Mass isn't the only state that way. NY's George Pataki is just as bad as Mass's Governor, if not WORSE.
Actually, reviewing some of Mass's laws, things may not be handgun-friendly there, but there are several states that are worse on semi-auto rifles. CT, NJ and the PRK come to mind for a start.
mark056 said:
And folks, Mass isn't the only state that way. NY's George Pataki is just as bad as Mass's Governor, if not WORSE.
Actually, reviewing some of Mass's laws, things may not be handgun-friendly there, but there are several states that are worse on semi-auto rifles. CT, NJ and the PRK come to mind for a start.
Nickle:
from my experience, the worst, most be-nighted, head in the sand anti-gun state is Illinois (although I haven't personally tried NJ or DE).
Unlike the PRK or MA, IL has one city with a total ban on all handguns.
Like MA, IL does register firearm owners (IL state-issued firearms owner ID card, or FOID, which IIRC is similar in use to the MA "2nd" class LIC). And the republicans are as likely to be anti-gun as the democrats.
At least MA & PRK both allow some form of LTC; though in the PRK or NYC, it may cost you $1000+ in legal fees.
from my experience, the worst, most be-nighted, head in the sand anti-gun state is Illinois (although I haven't personally tried NJ or DE).
Unlike the PRK or MA, IL has one city with a total ban on all handguns.
Like MA, IL does register firearm owners (IL state-issued firearms owner ID card, or FOID, which IIRC is similar in use to the MA "2nd" class LIC). And the republicans are as likely to be anti-gun as the democrats.
At least MA & PRK both allow some form of LTC; though in the PRK or NYC, it may cost you $1000+ in legal fees.
Nickle:
from my experience, the worst, most be-nighted, head in the sand anti-gun state is Illinois (although I haven't personally tried NJ or DE).
Unlike the PRK or MA, IL has one city with a total ban on all handguns.
Like MA, IL does register firearm owners (IL state-issued firearms owner ID card, or FOID, which IIRC is similar in use to the MA "2nd" class LIC). And the republicans are as likely to be anti-gun as the democrats.
At least MA & PRK both allow some form of LTC; though in the PRK or NYC, it may cost you $1000+ in legal fees.
from my experience, the worst, most be-nighted, head in the sand anti-gun state is Illinois (although I haven't personally tried NJ or DE).
Unlike the PRK or MA, IL has one city with a total ban on all handguns.
Like MA, IL does register firearm owners (IL state-issued firearms owner ID card, or FOID, which IIRC is similar in use to the MA "2nd" class LIC). And the republicans are as likely to be anti-gun as the democrats.
At least MA & PRK both allow some form of LTC; though in the PRK or NYC, it may cost you $1000+ in legal fees.
Nickle:
from my experience, the worst, most be-nighted, head in the sand anti-gun state is Illinois (although I haven't personally tried NJ or DE).
Unlike the PRK or MA, IL has one city with a total ban on all handguns.
Like MA, IL does register firearm owners (IL state-issued firearms owner ID card, or FOID, which IIRC is similar in use to the MA "2nd" class LIC). And the republicans are as likely to be anti-gun as the democrats.
At least MA & PRK both allow some form of LTC; though in the PRK or NYC, it may cost you $1000+ in legal fees.
from my experience, the worst, most be-nighted, head in the sand anti-gun state is Illinois (although I haven't personally tried NJ or DE).
Unlike the PRK or MA, IL has one city with a total ban on all handguns.
Like MA, IL does register firearm owners (IL state-issued firearms owner ID card, or FOID, which IIRC is similar in use to the MA "2nd" class LIC). And the republicans are as likely to be anti-gun as the democrats.
At least MA & PRK both allow some form of LTC; though in the PRK or NYC, it may cost you $1000+ in legal fees.
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C-pher, we do not throw people off this island (NES) just because they move or don't live here. You are welcome to a life-long membership on NES regardless of where you live.
Interestingly, we do have a lot of very nice gun clubs here. The few other places I've looked, most gun ranges were attached to gun shops and thus you paid as you went . . . which can get very expensive.
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C-pher said:
C-pher, we do not throw people off this island (NES) just because they move or don't live here. You are welcome to a life-long membership on NES regardless of where you live.
Interestingly, we do have a lot of very nice gun clubs here. The few other places I've looked, most gun ranges were attached to gun shops and thus you paid as you went . . . which can get very expensive.
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C-pher said:
C-pher, we do not throw people off this island (NES) just because they move or don't live here. You are welcome to a life-long membership on NES regardless of where you live.
Interestingly, we do have a lot of very nice gun clubs here. The few other places I've looked, most gun ranges were attached to gun shops and thus you paid as you went . . . which can get very expensive.
LenS said:
Yes I know that Len...but what I was saying was more in the sence of meeting and going to a shop, or to someones club to go shooting. The physical part of hanging out.
LenS said:
Yes I know that Len...but what I was saying was more in the sence of meeting and going to a shop, or to someones club to go shooting. The physical part of hanging out.
LenS said:
Yes I know that Len...but what I was saying was more in the sence of meeting and going to a shop, or to someones club to go shooting. The physical part of hanging out.
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Ray P said:
Ray,
Right you are!
Some of those states register the handgun to the license holder in a way that absolutely prohibits another person from using that gun! Recent post from someone in IL stated that his SO could not learn to shoot until she got her license! Some states limit the number of handguns on your license to a number like 5 . . . that appears to be the maximum number of handguns that you can own!
We bitch and moan about our laws, but a serious look at other states will show you that we really don't have it that bad (well, except for what a dealer can sell!).
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Ray P said:
Ray,
Right you are!
Some of those states register the handgun to the license holder in a way that absolutely prohibits another person from using that gun! Recent post from someone in IL stated that his SO could not learn to shoot until she got her license! Some states limit the number of handguns on your license to a number like 5 . . . that appears to be the maximum number of handguns that you can own!
We bitch and moan about our laws, but a serious look at other states will show you that we really don't have it that bad (well, except for what a dealer can sell!).
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Ray P said:
Ray,
Right you are!
Some of those states register the handgun to the license holder in a way that absolutely prohibits another person from using that gun! Recent post from someone in IL stated that his SO could not learn to shoot until she got her license! Some states limit the number of handguns on your license to a number like 5 . . . that appears to be the maximum number of handguns that you can own!
We bitch and moan about our laws, but a serious look at other states will show you that we really don't have it that bad (well, except for what a dealer can sell!).
