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Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by nordic alien, Jun 3, 2019.
I have Ranger T in 9mm +p+ and 45acp, So 45acp is/was out there, but Winchester wont allow sales of the T series to civillians any longer.
My comments were to conclude the 9mm is effective (for a pistol)
Also to explain why many, now choose the 9mm over .40S&W
It goes without saying that shot placement (where you hit them). Matters much more than the caliber used...
So, the same engineering has not not been applied to advance the performance of the .40 and .45?
This argument is all over the internet and makes zero sense. It's like saying there is no need for 6 or 8 cylinder engines due to improvements of the 4 cylinder.
That said, I love the 9mm and own/carry one on a daily basis but I can see why some still like the 40/45, esp. in mag restricted states.
It's also very popular in USPSA for what that's worth. I realize that's a game not a hunting/defensive use.
I would say there is way more choices across the board from 380acp and up to 45 cal. Than there was 15 years ago but there is a lot of emphasis on 9 due to more people carrying for personal protection than ever before.
The caliber wars are over, 45 and 40 lost. My condolences.
Civilians can still purchase it through vendors.
The entire topic makes my head hurt.
.40 cal sucks?
That's like saying the 16 gauge sucks because we have good loads in 20 gauge now. 12 gauge is strictly for neanderthal flat-earthers.
I believe nothing the FBI says.
The information that I have is that Winchester has stopped selling the Ranger T series to many wholesalers who continued to sell to gun shops who in turn sold to non law enforcement. I do know from a local ffl that all of his sources no longer can sell it to him and some wholesalers can no longer buy Ranger T. There are probably some leaks in the civilian lockout though, like with anything else.
The final statement in that video is the more important factor, by far, when it comes to this never-ending debate.
Basically if you have to use your handgun, you should have brought a rifle.
One of the most popular vendors on this forum that ships to MA sells it to civilians.
5 years from now we'll be talking about how 9mm is underpowered and the .40 is where it's at.
That said the .40 does NOT suck as some claim. The peops who prefer 9mm over the .40 also prefer wine coolers. That should tell you all you need to know.
Basides, when it comes to states like MA where there are magazine restrictions, tell me, what would you rather have:
10 rounds of 9mm
10 rounds of .40
8 rounds of .45
I rest my case.
I challenge anyone who says that 9MM is ineffective to let me shoot them with my G19 and retain their opinion.
Shot placement and number of hits are far more important than 9 vs 40 vs 45. If you look at the energy transfer, .45 is the highest, but again, shot placement and number of hits are more important.
9mm bullets are far more effective than they were years ago, but so are 45.
I was a dedicated .45 guy for decades. I recently switched to 9mm for increased capacity due to the rise in gang violence and riots. I now carry 17-round mags with +5 extensions
If you are stuck with 10-round mags, I would go with .45.
i like my 9mm hollow points, all 37 i carry with 1 extra mag. if that's not enough "stopping power" i'm screwed.
If you "are screwed" wouldn't you want more stopping power???? LOL
Also, wisdom dictates one owns an assortment of firearms, in each caliber, because of the availability of ammo in a given flavor may or may not be available at all times.
i've already shot 37 freakin times...i'm screwed!! ;p
Hey hey hey. What's wrong with wine coolers?? Bartles & James made a killing off of them.
I've always been a big fan of a good BJ.
If they do I haven't seen it, but then I'm not looking for more of it either. I am happy to hear that other shooters can get this good ammo though. Hopefully what you've said will cause some NES'rs to seek it out and at he same time hopefully Winchester won't find out and shut down the source.
Oh oh! I see what you did there.
I prefer 13 rounds of .45
According to this "chapter 131, section 67 of MA hunting laws" that you present, since humans ARE mammals I would say that you can't carry anything bigger than a .38 (9mm) anywhere basically from dusk til dawn... Who wrote this f-ing idiocy?
Lol. Did you really post this!
"chapter 131, section 67 of MA hunting laws" quoted from a previous post by snax.
My post was kind a "tongue in cheek".
I think the 9mm Luger was first made in 1902 and the first .45 ACP in 1905... so both still being in use by police and military over 114+ year later says something... while the .40 is going the way of the Dodo.
Or the best of all worlds a Glock 20 with +5 base plates... 61 rounds of 10mm awesomeness in your shoulder holster... you can always fill your pockets with more mags if needed!
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