7 killed , 3 hurt in motorcycle-truck accident in Randolph NH

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How can a 23 year old, with "multiple" DUI arrests still even have a Lic? Like a 3rd or 4th offense is something like a 10 year suspension? Drug user to boot. Busted with a crack pipe in a prior.
Bro, haven't you ever turned your life around? It takes what it takes apparently.
 

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Bro, haven't you ever turned your life around? It takes what it takes apparently.
Massachusetts Man Arrested In Deadly NH Motorcycle Crash
During a search of Zhukovskyy’s home, police said troopers found wax packets containing a substance believed to be heroin. They said the substance will be tested and Zhukovskyy will face additional charges if the substance is an illegal narcotic.

Zhukovskyy was driving a Westfield Transport truck in New Hampshire Friday night when he collided with 10 motorcyclists, according to Damien Gasanov of Westfield Transport.

Gasanov said Zhukovskyy was on his way back to western Massachusetts when the accident happended. Seven motorcyclists were killed and three others were injured in the crash.

Zhukovskyy was a new driver and the trip was only his second with the company, Gasanov said.

Eyewitness News obtained Zhukovskyy’s driving record from the Massachusetts RMV, which lists a violation for “operating under the influence” in 2013 and two violations for “at fault for an accident” in 2012 and 2014.

Most recently, Connecticut court records show Zhukovskyy was charged with operating under the influence on May 11.
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Let's assume you are running your own company. Would you hitch a trailer to a pickup truck and let your employee freshly charged with operating under the influence drive that train to New Hampshire?

Would you hire a driver who has documented driving problems from the time he was legally allowed to drive?
 
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Bro, haven't you ever turned your life around? It takes what it takes apparently.
One needs to begin to live the straight and narrow before one can claim to have "turned" their life around. Reminds me of the Dindunuffin players that get taken out in some sort of criminal activity and their relatives are on the TV crying "they had just turned their life around".
 

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One needs to begin to live the straight and narrow before one can claim to have "turned" their life around. Reminds me of the Dindunuffin players that get taken out in some sort of criminal activity and their relatives are on the TV crying "they had just turned their life around".
Turning life around and finding myself should be google ad words for millennials.
 

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I fully agree there are ways to make yourself safer when riding a bike. And I was not aware of the air bag vests. That's a very cool invention!

I think my point was that no matter what you do, whether you're a new rider or wearing a helmet or even under the influence, a motorcycle loses in an accident against a vehicle. Especially a vehicle that is driven by a distracted driver or someone driving under the influence, something we sadly see with regularity these days. I don't think anyone can dispute this.

I expect all of the riders in NH were quite experienced. I expect none were under the influence of anything more than a good breakfast. I have no idea if they were wearing helmets but I doubt it would have mattered in this single case. And despite all of this they lost their lives because of one a**h*** driver.

When I'll die? Who knows. At the moment I've outlived my Dad and grandfathers. I should lose 50 pounds or more. I love steak and other foods that are bad for me. Yet I persist. We all take chances.

RIP Marines and other riders.




Since you are a “stat man” you’re probably going to die of heart disease or cancer, whether you ride a motorcycle or not.

Not sure where you got your statistic, but the reality is that if you remove:
  • Riders without formal rider training
  • Riders without a helmet
  • Riders under the influence of drugs or alcohol.
There are roughly 800 fatalities a year. That’s it. Most - about 80% - motorcycle fatalities involve one or more of the above.

To flip it around, if you:
  • Wear a light or white-colored helmet
  • High visibility clothing
  • Are aware that about half of multi-vehicle accidents involve left-turners
  • Take rider training regularly
You have minimized the odds of getting in an accident. It’s a free country, though, and I regularly see people without even gloves!

BTW, a lot of us who are track day riders or racers are now wearing airbag vests, and they are now available for street riders.
 

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This case is pretty interesting. It brings out a funny crowd. The crowd that demands the Constitution to be held to the highest standard when their 2nd Amendment rights are in danger, but ignores Zhukovskyy’s 5th, 6th, and 7th Amendment rights under the same Document because they sympathize with the victims. The same crowd that has been screaming "fake news" for the past few years now takes some local reporting as it is gospel.
People in here are a real peachy.... as long as you agree with them
 

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I fully agree there are ways to make yourself safer when riding a bike. And I was not aware of the air bag vests. That's a very cool invention!

I think my point was that no matter what you do, whether you're a new rider or wearing a helmet or even under the influence, a motorcycle loses in an accident against a vehicle. Especially a vehicle that is driven by a distracted driver or someone driving under the influence, something we sadly see with regularity these days. I don't think anyone can dispute this.

I expect all of the riders in NH were quite experienced. I expect none were under the influence of anything more than a good breakfast. I have no idea if they were wearing helmets but I doubt it would have mattered in this single case. And despite all of this they lost their lives because of one a**h*** driver.

When I'll die? Who knows. At the moment I've outlived my Dad and grandfathers. I should lose 50 pounds or more. I love steak and other foods that are bad for me. Yet I persist. We all take chances.

RIP Marines and other riders.
You should do a little research on diet . There is increasing evidence that eating steak is,probably better for you than most of the stuff that's considered a normal diet these days
 

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This case is pretty interesting. It brings out a funny crowd. The crowd that demands the Constitution to be held to the highest standard when their 2nd Amendment rights are in danger, but ignores Zhukovskyy’s 5th, 6th, and 7th Amendment rights under the same Document because they sympathize with the victims. The same crowd that has been screaming "fake news" for the past few years now takes some local reporting as it is gospel.
As much as I want to pile on this guy you make some really good points. Tough to disagree with anything you said. Really good post.

That does not mean I am any less sympathetic to the victims of this horrible tragedy. Thoughts and prayers to all of them.
 

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I was looking for that video someone posted her awhile back about bike safety. Guy had a Aussie or Brit accent and demonstrated what drivers see when bikers are coming toward them. I have a friend who posted that she saw a motorcycle accident and was blaming the drivers for not paying attention. Wanted to give her some context that it's not always the driver's fault. Anyone know where the video is?

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As much as I want to pile on this guy you make some really good points. Tough to disagree with anything you said. Really good post.

That does not mean I am any less sympathetic to the victims of this horrible tragedy. Thoughts and prayers to all of them.
Same here. I am a motorcycle enthusiast and those Marines gave more to this country than I could ever. But I do believe in facts and a court of law. Not hear say thru the media or leaked facts from Leos that want to build a case. I will join the lynch mob when he agree to the facts in court and pleads out or is found guilty.
 

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I don't see where his rights are being violated, and at this rate there's no way he's going to walk on anything, either. From a criminal law sense this is likely going to be pretty "boring". Due process will do its thing, he'll suck for a bench trial (because there's no way in hell a jury in NH is going to acquit him) and he'll suck for whatever they put on the table. The company that hired him will probably get smoked, too. (at least from the gabillion dollars in civil suits that follow, and even with their insurance, will not be nearly enough to cover the judgements against them. ) Nobody with a brain would hire a CDL driver with a rap sheet like that. I suspect that this isn't a "brains" operation at that place, though.

-Mike
His rights have not been violated. But from the sounds of this thread, seems like he has already been found guilty. I'm not sticking up for the guy, but there is some pretty funny strong opinions of his guilt already. Is he a diabetic? Did he suffer from a medical emergency prior to the accident that caused him to lose control? Or is he a junkie that nodded off at the wheel and was driving an unsafe rig? These are questions that should be sorted out in court and not channel 7.
 
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I was looking for that video someone posted her awhile back about bike safety. Guy had a Aussie or Brit accent and demonstrated what drivers see when bikers are coming toward them. I have a friend who posted that she saw a motorcycle accident and was blaming the drivers for not paying attention. Wanted to give her some context that it's not always the driver's fault. Anyone know where the video is?

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Google "SMIDSY".

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His rights have not been violated. But from the sounds of this thread, seems like he has already been found guilty. I'm not sticking up for the guy, but there is some pretty funny strong opinions of his guilt already. Is he a diabetic? Did he suffer from a medical emergency prior to the accident that caused him to lose control? Or is he a junkie that nodded off at the wheel and was driving an unsafe rig? These are questions that should be sorted out in court and not channel 7.
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I am still waiting on that hard drive from Las Vegas to come back and insert itself in the computer so we can safely say that the nut was guilty. Let's not reinvent the workplace violence here, please!
Pay attention! All facts listed here are from courts or from witnesses or people who worked with him.
 

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Same here. I am a motorcycle enthusiast and those Marines gave more to this country than I could ever. But I do believe in facts and a court of law. Not hear say thru the media or leaked facts from Leos that want to build a case. I will join the lynch mob when he agree to the facts in court and pleads out or is found guilty.
Careful with a lynch mob, dude! Your imagination is running wild! What we are trying to do here is not to make verdicts but to learn from this case and understand what we can do to protect us and our loved ones, if it is even possible.

I actually believe that behind every employee is a company. That is what I believe. Either you are running a responsible company which has some rules or you are having a company.
 
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His rights have not been violated. But from the sounds of this thread, seems like he has already been found guilty. I'm not sticking up for the guy, but there is some pretty funny strong opinions of his guilt already. Is he a diabetic? Did he suffer from a medical emergency prior to the accident that caused him to lose control? Or is he a junkie that nodded off at the wheel and was driving an unsafe rig? These are questions that should be sorted out in court and not channel 7.

"Or is he a junkie that nodded off at the wheel and was driving an unsafe rig?"

So if it was a safe rig it would be OK for a junkie to be driving it?
 

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... from the sounds of this thread, seems like he has already been found guilty. I'm not sticking up for the guy, but there is some pretty funny strong opinions of his guilt already. Is he a diabetic? Did he suffer from a medical emergency prior to the accident that caused him to lose control? Or is he a junkie that nodded off at the wheel and was driving an unsafe rig? These are questions that should be sorted out in court and not channel 7.
Do you fear that some of those questions aren't going to be sorted out in court?
 

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His rights have not been violated. But from the sounds of this thread, seems like he has already been found guilty. I'm not sticking up for the guy, but there is some pretty funny strong opinions of his guilt already. Is he a diabetic? Did he suffer from a medical emergency prior to the accident that caused him to lose control? Or is he a junkie that nodded off at the wheel and was driving an unsafe rig? These are questions that should be sorted out in court and not channel 7.
He crossed the center line and killed 7 people. All that is yet to be determined to what level of criminal charges will be applied. You can not cross the center line while driving killing 7 people and simply say my bad...even if he was stone cold sober.

A year ago in Maine a young kid crossed the center line hitting myBIL and sister. My BIL died twice, once in the wreck and one in med flight. My Sister was seriously banged up. My BIL spent 2 months in the hospital and now walks with a cane with a body that will never be right again.
 

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Is he a US Citizen? Otherwise he has zero Constitutional rights.
Ypu may want to reread the Constitution. That and Bill of Rights gives rights to people, not citizens.

"Or is he a junkie that nodded off at the wheel and was driving an unsafe rig?"

So if it was a safe rig it would be OK for a junkie to be driving it?
Both are wrong. They should have been separated in my original comment.
 

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Turtle Boy listed a bit about the company, a Russian guy owns it. Name and address can be searched and found at the MA Corporations Division website.
 

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This brings up a good argument as well. His life history may play a huge part in his defense. What if he has lived in a country where they drive on the left side of the road. I think anyone of us that grew up in the USA would make an honest mistake in Europe if we were behind the wheel and at some point drive on the "wrong side".
 

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Ypu may want to reread the Constitution. That and Bill of Rights gives rights to people, not citizens.


Both are wrong. They should have been separated in my original comment.
The SCOTUS has long held that illegals have very little Constititutional Rights. Residents, not Citizens, have been applied using a measured level of rights. Long held decisions, like everything else these days, are being ignored and re-written by those who have agendas to change America.
 
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Massachusetts Man Arrested In Deadly NH Motorcycle Crash
During a search of Zhukovskyy’s home, police said troopers found wax packets containing a substance believed to be heroin. They said the substance will be tested and Zhukovskyy will face additional charges if the substance is an illegal narcotic.

Zhukovskyy was driving a Westfield Transport truck in New Hampshire Friday night when he collided with 10 motorcyclists, according to Damien Gasanov of Westfield Transport.

Gasanov said Zhukovskyy was on his way back to western Massachusetts when the accident happended. Seven motorcyclists were killed and three others were injured in the crash.

Zhukovskyy was a new driver and the trip was only his second with the company, Gasanov said.

Eyewitness News obtained Zhukovskyy’s driving record from the Massachusetts RMV, which lists a violation for “operating under the influence” in 2013 and two violations for “at fault for an accident” in 2012 and 2014.

Most recently, Connecticut court records show Zhukovskyy was charged with operating under the influence on May 11.
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Let's assume you are running your own company. Would you hitch a trailer to a pickup truck and let your employee freshly charged with operating under the influence drive that train to New Hampshire?

Would you hire a driver who has documented driving problems from the time he was legally allowed to drive?
I don't know the extent of the law, or if it is even a factor here, but didn't MA pass something a few years ago forbidding employers from looking beyond a couple years into an applicant's past as well as using non-convictions against them? I remember there was some big uproar about how the change in the law made it so employers could no longer verify the integrity of the people they were hiring.
 

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This brings up a good argument as well. His life history may play a huge part in his defense. What if he has lived in a country where they drive on the left side of the road. I think anyone of us that grew up in the USA would make an honest mistake in Europe if we were behind the wheel and at some point drive on the "wrong side".
If you want to drive on the left side of the road stay in Europe. If you want to drive in the US follow the laws and drive on the right side of the road or don't drive. Or drive and suffer the consequences of anything that happens while you are behind the wheel.
 

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This brings up a good argument as well. His life history may play a huge part in his defense. What if he has lived in a country where they drive on the left side of the road. I think anyone of us that grew up in the USA would make an honest mistake in Europe if we were behind the wheel and at some point drive on the "wrong side".
And another thing:
Europeans lead impoverished lives,
and have TV stations that mostly just broadcast Beverly Hillbillies reruns.
Ride inside the car?
That's not how we do it in America.
 

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His rights have not been violated. But from the sounds of this thread, seems like he has already been found guilty. I'm not sticking up for the guy, but there is some pretty funny strong opinions of his guilt already. Is he a diabetic? Did he suffer from a medical emergency prior to the accident that caused him to lose control? Or is he a junkie that nodded off at the wheel and was driving an unsafe rig? These are questions that should be sorted out in court and not channel 7.
We're not on the jury (there probably isn't going to be one anyways absent some extroardinary findings) so we have the freedom to state our opinion. We can "convict" him all we want here (or not) and this doesn't affect his actual rights at all via due process. This is no different than what happened with OJ when everyone pretty much thought
he was guilty but the system worked properly even if it didn't produce the result the "court of public opinion" wanted, and he was exonerated because by the letter of the law he could not be convicted.

I agree there are things that need to be examined in a court of law (namely, "what actually happened") but IMO this guy is "pretty much f***ed" any way you slice it. Even if the argument is "oh the wheels fell off the truck and I lost control" that's going to be a tough sell. Particularly when there's a survivor that saw exactly what the truck
did when it happened. Yeah, eyewitnesses are pretty unreliable sometimes but I would think a guy that had a near death experience had something burned in his brain pretty
good from when it happened...

This brings up a good argument as well. His life history may play a huge part in his defense. What if he has lived in a country where they drive on the left side of the road. I think anyone of us that grew up in the USA would make an honest mistake in Europe if we were behind the wheel and at some point drive on the "wrong side".
Not likely a good argument at all, actually, the majority of the world by land mass drives on the correct side of the road. Even in Europe. It's only England, India, Japan, AU, the bottom half of Africa and a handful of other pisspot nations (mostly ones the british got their fingers involved in at one point or another) that still drive on the wrong side. Not to mention this guy has extensive driving history/time in the US. (as was as possibly that other fun accident where he supposedly drove a truck off a bridge).

-Mike
 
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