7 killed , 3 hurt in motorcycle-truck accident in Randolph NH

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Should we rename this thread the "I dont know a single fact for sure, but let's speculate wildly and assign blame"?
I know a fact. I've been up here all week, we usually eat @ Yaya's, as we did today. The owner told me the group had stopped there just before the accident. They had hung around for a while and shot the shit. He said the were Marines and were doing a charity run. He said they were really nice guys, he was visibly shaken. My wife came running outside when it happened. I asked her how she heard, she said her cousin, in Jamaica, had posted it on her Facebook page. I guess bad news travels fast, and far. We were going to come back that way from Porcfest, but we wound up coming back on Rt.3, almost hit a Moose on the way home. So sad, RIP.
 

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/the-latest-company-linked-to-motorcycle-crash-cooperating/2019/06/22/1b3ed006-9554-11e9-956a-88c291ab5c38_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.1c99b383165c

The owner of a company that employs the truck driver identified as involved in a deadly collision with motorcycles says he can’t reach the driver.

Dartanyan Gasanov is the owner of Westfield Transport of Springfield, Massachusetts. He told The Boston Globe on Saturday that Volodoymyr Zhukovskyy “doesn’t answer the phone calls.”

New Hampshire Deputy Attorney General Jane Young says Zhukovskyy survived and didn’t need to be hospitalized.

No one has been criminally charged. Gasanov told The Globe he planned to speak with investigators Monday.
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Summary:
Volodoymyr Zhukovskyy, the driver, probably originally from Ukraine, has survived and is nowhere to be found. o_O
 
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RIP Marines...

I did the "tourist" loop yesterday...from home up 28 to 16 through North Conway (traffic was surprisingly light) up through Crawford's Notch on 302 to Twin Mt, my home town, shot the sh*t with the woman at the info booth there whom I've known since I was a kid, came back home via Rt3 through Franconia Notch, etc...about 250 miles.

I stopped several times to rest, have coffee, lunch, etc. Everywhere I stopped were bikes and the topic of conversation in every case was this accident.

I only sensed overwhelming sadness...this hit close to home for any and all riders. We may or may not have known them but we riders all share the same passion and solidarity that binds us.

We all agreed that driver distraction has become epidemic but also agreed that it's not only those in "cages" (autos/trucks) but also those that ride. I personally have seen cellphone usage by riders while they ride. Riders can now be connected to their phones by bluetooth with in ear contraptions. Heck, I won't even put music on my bike...the music I listen to is the rhythm of the bike and listen for those around me.

My heart is broken for the families and loved ones of those whose lives were lost that day. Life is so precious and events like this make us take stock of those things we hold dear. We never know what the next second holds.
 
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Does anyone know where these Marines were from? I thought I saw a comment about them being from South Shore.
 

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/the-latest-company-linked-to-motorcycle-crash-cooperating/2019/06/22/1b3ed006-9554-11e9-956a-88c291ab5c38_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.1c99b383165c

The owner of a company that employs the truck driver identified as involved in a deadly collision with motorcycles says he can’t reach the driver.

Dartanyan Gasanov is the owner of Westfield Transport of Springfield, Massachusetts. He told The Boston Globe on Saturday that Volodoymyr Zhukovskyy “doesn’t answer the phone calls.”

New Hampshire Deputy Attorney General Jane Young says Zhukovskyy survived and didn’t need to be hospitalized.

No one has been criminally charged. Gasanov told The Globe he planned to speak with investigators Monday.
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Summary:
Volodoymyr Zhukovskyy, the driver, probably originally from Ukraine, has survived and is nowhere to be found. o_O
The police probably have his phone, doing forensics on it to see if he was using it at the time of the crash.

Absolutely horrific. My heart goes out to those involved, Families and friends. If they are from the South Shore, I am certain that a friend of mine is a member of that MC club! [halfmast]
 

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One of the stories I read said it was a 2500 series Dodge Ram, and the trailer appears to be one of these:

Two Car-Truck Gooseneck Trailer - by Kaufman Trailers
G.V.W.R. 14,000 lb.
Deck Length 35 ft. 6 in. (24 ft. flat + 11 ft. 6 in. dove)

I can't quite make it out in the pic, but it looks like the truck has MA plates and they may be commercial plates.

I know the laws vary some state to state, but I thought that towing an equipment trailer over 10k - means you need a commercial license. Typically trailers like that are used for hauling cars - for business purposes, and that puts you into commercial license territory as well.
The law wrt over 10k is that if its for commercial/pay/$$$ purposes you need a CDL

If its for personal use you dont
 

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Hard to know what happened, but pure logic tells me that more than a few bikers would have to make a mistake to kill 7 people,
but it only takes one mistake on the part of the truck driver...….
Root cause is most likely the driver of truck/trailer

I will almost guarantee that a major contributing factor in the number of involved MC's is a factor of them riding in "formation" as a group.

You ride in a group and you have no where to go to avoid an obstacle.

6 bikes in a tight group passed me on 93 yesterday and end to end they occupied a space of less than 2 car lengths....if thats not an accident waiting to happen I dont know what is
 
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6 bikes in a tight group passed me on 93 yesterday and end to end they occupied a space of less than 2 car lengths....if thats not an accident waiting to happen I dont know what is
Geesh, I don't begrudge side by side as it might make them easier to see, but you still gotta match your car lengths, just because you're in a pack doesn't mean your reflexes have gotten better.
 
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One possibility is, big heavy trailer, (yes, unloaded, but still heavy for vehicle towing it), jack knifed, and got into high speed wobble. Driver may have been over the line a bit, and due to inattention, panic corrected too quickly to the right, the the heavy trailer sent him into the left on the wobble rebound.
Just saw this happen the other day I93 , with a low experience trailer driver, steering way to quickly on lane changes, and the large trailer was throwing him around. Big trailers need to be turned slowly , like an ocean liner, easy and gentle. Or driver will find out the hard way.
 
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10,001+ lbs. you need a commercial inspection. I believe they just changed the law so you don't need commercial plates if only for personal use.
 

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Geesh, I don't begrudge side by side as it might make them easier to see, but you still gotta match your car lengths, just because you're in a pack doesn't mean your reflexes have gotten better.

That whole "easier to see" thing has bugged me for decades. I hear the bikers claim they ride side by side to make themselves easier to see - but I've never noticed any appreciable difference between "seeing" a single lone bike or two side by side.

I've been driving for decades - and it was probably 20 years ago when they started the big push for headlights on during the day so " you could be seen " . Yet I never noticed any appreciable difference between "seeing" car with the headlights on or off - DURING THE DAY. At night it's obviously another story.

The other day I was outside in the my front yard - and hear a car going by and happen to look up just in time to see it run over a raccoon. The guy hit the brakes momentarily - hit the raccoon square on - and then drove off. Right after that a second raccoon runs out in the street over towards the one that just got hit. These were young juvenile-sized raccoons. Just as the 2nd coon is doing that another car comes down the road - and almost hits him but he bolted off into the woods. The thing is - the driver had a few HUNDRED feed to see this thing - I saw him clearly and I was at least 100 feet away from him. So after that car passed - the 2nd coon comes running out again straight for the now dead 1st coon. Along comes another car - and hits the 2nd guy before I could do anything. It looked like he just caught the side of the tire or something - because he bounced a few times and then ran off into the woods.

But I was standing there thinking " WTF - those two drivers should have CLEARLY saw that 2nd coon - they never even really slowed down".

This is a residential neighborhood - with some teenage kids occasionally walking up the street and stuff like that.

In my experience: people simply don't pay attention to shit. They run things over they should have avoided, smash into other cars, run over animals - etc. Really makes me wonder about how driving tests should be administered before getting a license. Maybe it's because I have ridden a motorcycle since I was a teen, but I notice almost everything. I've seen chipmunks sitting at the edge of the road and swerved to avoid them. I don't think most people would see a friggin moose standing at the side of the road.

The eye tests they give to get a license only tell about 5% of the story. What they should administer is a "can you pay phucking attention" test. I'd be willing to bet that 75% of the drivers on the road would be prove to be *fundamentally* incapable of doing so.
 

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Classic case of not knowing to steer straight when the oscillation starts. When he feels it and steers to counter, he actually creates a bigger whip. Bumper pulls are bad at whipping, but it happens with fifth wheels too.

I almost got killed by a truck towing some massive piece of equipment. I was going the other way, in the right hand of a three lane up hill, and he was coming down. I saw him start to whip, and I punched the throttle, hoping to get out of his way before he got to me. The 1987 Plymouth Horizon I was driving didn't sputter for once, and actually hauled ass (to the degree it could).

Good thing, because if I had braked, or if the car hadn't responded correctly, I would have been sitting exactly where that massive load swung all the way into the ditch on my side before whipping a donut and pulling the towing truck backwards off the hill on his side.

August 1989; I was on my way to Dallas for my first job interview after leaving the Army.
 

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I had that happen when I was hauling a backhoe on an eight wheel eager beaver trailer with an F-750 on that curved section of rte.3 in Braintree under Washington St. Headed south. No seat belt back then and only one chain on the tractor. Real close to death. Never again.
 

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The combination has to exceed 26,000. When it does it’s Class A.
Not exactly. Truck up to 26,000 can pull a trailer up to 10,000 and still be driven with a class D license and a medical card in MA, even with air brakes. Exceed either of those numbers and it's a class B or class A, and air brakes will require an endorsement.
 
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