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7 killed , 3 hurt in motorcycle-truck accident in Randolph NH

Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by calsdad, Jun 21, 2019.

  1. Bonesinium

    Bonesinium NES Member

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    I think there’s only one person here who ever thought otherwise.
     
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  2. Picton

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    Be interesting to see whether he shows back up.

    All things considered, I'm glad this seems to have been a straightforward case. It's not the kind of thing that needs to have internet conspiracy theories sprouting for years. Publish the findings, settle the civil suits, and give the victims their peace.

    I won't say "...and fix the damn CDL system in New England," because I'm not that naive.
     
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  3. Jason Flare

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    Add me to the list of people who wish the riders had never left the store until after the truck and trailer had crashed and short of that had left at greater intervals so fewer riders were hit.
     
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    But, but, but......bike spacing and helmets!!!
     
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    MA has suspended over 1,600 CDL’s and sent notices of violations to over 100 out of state CDL holders.
     
  6. falcon123

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    State is going to dish out some serious money for negligence. A first year law student could win this case.
     
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    More like lazy assed and over paid DMV staff. [angry]
     
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  10. Jason Flare

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    The government loves taking responsibility for this.

    So, a few bureaucrats heads roll; big deal.

    It’s much better to have people agreeing that government could have prevented this and can prevent it from ever happening again than to assign sole responsibility to the actual perpetrator.

    The government plays the same game when some bad guy with a gun injures or kills innocent people.
     
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  12. BBQ.Uncle

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    That’s a great f***ing question.
     
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    Because at that time they had no evidence of anything except an accident.

    He had a valid CDL. He wasn't apparently impaired. It took time to figure out that his licensed should have been suspended, and that he would test positive for drugs.
     
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    Sir, he has killed 7 people! [rolleyes]

    I think we will find out shortly that both states, MA and NH, failed in this case.
     
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    I can't for the life of me fiqure why he was not held and tested immed. Like any other accident involving death, they never let them just walk away.
    New Hampshire is no better than Mass
     
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    He's sitting in my county jail charged with seven counts of manslaughter.

    What was NH supposed to do to prevent the tragedy?

    As I said: just because there was a fatal accident wasn't cause to arrest him until the drug screens came back.
     
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    I am absolutely ignorant. NH has to wait for drug screens to come back in case of drugs. In case of alcohol they can make an arrest on the spot. Am I correct?
     
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    I have not read anything about a field sobriety test being administered - not sure if anyone else has heard or read about one. Maybe they did one and maybe he passed it. I would hope at a minimum they tried to determine at the scene if he was in any way impaired at the time of the accident. If he passed a field sobriety test and he did not appear impaired, don't they have to let him walk pending actual proof from the tests? IANAL
     
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    Again, pardon my ignorance, could it be that NH does not have a test for this type of drugs in place? I am sure that if he would be under the influence of alcohol he would be sitting in the cell that evening and the next day instead of going on the beach!
     
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    I am unaware of any state having a roadside test that would detect a drug other than the alcohol "here blow in this tube" type test. Short of that, they would perform a test for impairment.
     
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    That is what I believe also.

    Time to get to work!
     
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    To the best of my knowledge, drug testing can tell if a person "has used" a drug but not necessarily that they are currently intoxicated. And even that test takes a while to conduct.

    With alcohol, the test can be performed on the spot (breathalyzer) or quickly (blood test) and tells if the person is CURRENTLY intoxicated and how badly. Not sure if there is any test to see if you had a drink, say, several days ago.

    The only roadside test for current drug intoxication would be coordination tests, maybe looking at your pupils, making you say the alphabet backwards... stupid stuff that chronic, high functioning abusers laugh at.
     
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    Interesting. Yet, people fail drug tests required by their employers just because they have eaten poppy seeds on the bun or taken Imodium, just few examples......We have a huge problem and a technical challenge. We have neglected this area and we have no tools.
     
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    Those employment tests aren’t immediate, either. And employment law is different from 4A prohibitions on the state.

    To my knowledge, there’s no immediate test for drugs OR alcohol, other than a breathalyzer that only works for booze you take by mouth. Blood testing always takes time, and I wouldn’t favor a law that allows cops to hold everybody they want to pending a drug test.

    If a driver isn’t obviously impaired, they’re sent home until the test comes back. Then the coppers go grab them. That’s what happened in this case, and it worked. He’s in custody.
     
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    The breathalyzer tests alcohol vapor that boiled out of the bloodstream into the lungs.
    If it only worked on booze consumed by the organ emitting the vapors,
    it would only work on people who poured vodka into a vaporizer.
     
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    P. S.
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    Huh. You learn something new every day.
     
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    It's why the cops are in theory not supposed to test you unless you've had a 20-minute belch-free period (IIRC). Because if you're burping up gasses so rich they could start a fire if someone struck a match, then the test is going to be a false positive.
    In theory.
     
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    Same goes for having ingested anything within 15-20 minutes or so, although that can skew the results in either direction, depending on what you ate or drank.
     
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    While alcohol can be used by injection into the bloodstream via IV, or through absorption (like enemas), I don't think we'll see those methods gaining in popularity.

    "I need you to fart into this tube and not stop until I tell you."
     
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